Gunman kills 22 at US college

Gun control

  • Rescind the constitutional provision

    Votes: 12 13.6%
  • Introduce a gun control system (such as the UK)

    Votes: 39 44.3%
  • Do nothing - it's nothing new

    Votes: 32 36.4%
  • Other....hence the thread

    Votes: 5 5.7%

  • Total voters
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Ethyl

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I hate to distract from the debate, but if I recall correctly we have a few members on this campus. Does anyone know their status and safety?

I know curiousgurl lives in the area and said she was back in school, but I don't remember where. I PM'd her and asked her to let me know if she's ok.
 

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The shooter had his weapon out and was trigger happy to begin with. He has the drop on anyone reaching for a weapon and the resistance offered would just likely aggravate him more.

Your concealed weapon is only of use to you if you can get it out, the safety off and pointed at him before he notices. I think if you'd been in that classroom you'd just be a victim with a gun in your hand. Presuming he didn't take it from your corpse as a back-up weapon for himself.

The hero complex is best left in the theatre.

You are unfamiliar with the Luby's Cafeteria case, I see.
 

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that freaking statement people keep trying to make about a lesser weapon is without merrit. If someone wanted to kill alot of people why would they come with a knife or a baseball bat. No they'd make a nitrate bomb like nickols did. Or burn down an apartment building or someother sicko stunt. They certainly would not attempt a rampage with a ginsu knife or a bat.

Agreed, but I think that's the issue that most people have with guns. They are the most effective killing tool that does not require the kind of preparation time (cooling off time/chance of discovery) that a bomb would.

I don't have an issue with people of a certain character having guns, but the idea of anyone having one just because they think they should scares the hell out of me.
 

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Sucks this shit happens in this country, 2007.

You Bet, Even moreso sad, is that all that's being preached is "Guns are bad".

Big, the law school is a good example.
Would we dare entertain the thought of teachers or faculty members carrying? Obviously you wouldn't know who, but the thought of Someone there might be carrying would deter alot of it, I would think.
Your right...the state law differences was an oversight of mine. Here, if theyre in your home with a weapon in hand, theyre fair game.

In the end though, it's just the media hyping these kids up, thinking its cool, or it's "what needs to be done" to correct their problems.
It's sad that energy isnt spent on an honest effort to curb kids from bringing their firearms to school.

I agree that a school needs to be a place to learn, but much more needs to be done on the administration side of schools to keep them safe.

I hope that none of the members here were injured in the shooting.
 

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My Father is a gun collector and NRA life member, I grew up in a household with dozens around. I do not have either a fascination with guns, or an aversion to them.
I think that the majority of people who have them around are much more likely to have an accidental injury or suicide, or use them in a domestic dispute, than to ever in their whole life use them effectively for self defence. That is a fantasy.
 

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I know curiousgurl lives in the area and said she was back in school, but I don't remember where. I PM'd her and asked her to let me know if she's ok.
Thanks Bliss. I can't remember exactly who else is there, but maybe the guy whose screenname is some vowelless version of Jefferson Davis? I do hope that those who know will keep us posted on the safety of those we have come to know and care about.
 

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You've heard of forensics, right? It's not like they won't know what happened.

This isn't CSI sweets.
That takes effort, time and money. That's an automatic no no.
If he's got a weapon in his hands, and he's laying dead on your floor, They'll bag em and tag em. Done.

Besides how many times you plan on shooting him?? LOL
 

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It's sad that energy isnt spent on an honest effort to curb kids from bringing their firearms to school.

Even that, obvious as it seems, isn't it. When I was in school nobody thought anything at all of a kid bringing a gun in. They weren't too wild about it in "show and tell" but it was routine to bring them to shop class for minor machine work. It didn't seem particularly dangerous. We'd work on cars in shop too, and as we know cars kill far more Americans than guns. One of the history teachers had a WW1-era Mauser rifle in the closet with the paperclips and spare erasers. He'd drag it out once or twice a year as a prop in Euro History class. Silly? Maybe, but he was almost certainly the best teacher in the regional high school.

Nowadays people plotz at the very thought. In the same state as that high school, it's now so hard to bring anything gun-related in that even the police are having trouble getting ammunition. It's not at all clear that the modern paranoia has made us any safer.
 

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In a civilised society at peace, there is no need to hold weapons.

Ah, been to Planet Utopia huh?

Got extra tickets to go?

They weren't too wild about it in "show and tell" but it was routine to bring them to shop class for minor machine work. It didn't seem particularly dangerous. We'd work on cars in shop too, and as we know cars kill far more Americans than guns. One of the history teachers had a WW1-era Mauser rifle in the closet with the paperclips and spare erasers. He'd drag it out once or twice a year as a prop in Euro History class. Silly? Maybe, but he was almost certainly the best teacher in the regional high school.

Oh, I know it. If we brought them in, we took the pin out, or made sure it wasn't capable of firing.
My father was a gunsmith, so it was common to talk guns/ammo in school.
It wasn't a big deal years ago, but society has become so fluffy footed, and pampered that the slightest sight of something "barbaric" sends them into a tailspin.
 

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My sympathy to the victim's families and friends. In a way, I am sorry the shooter killed himself - we might have known the motive. On the other hand...I'm glad the bastard is dead!

The problem there is that it could take a while to determine that he is indeed the shooter. A dead guy with a gun nearby could be a plant. Witnesses have to be located and interviewed before the press primes them (inadvertently, of course) on what to say, fingerprints have to be examined, blah blah. It could be weeks before we know that it's really him.
 

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You are unfamiliar with the Luby's Cafeteria case, I see.

I was. I've just read a few articles and I'm not seeing your point. One article says that even though he was shot by officers, not civilians carrying concealed, the shooter still didn't stop, and that the rampage only ended when he shot himself. Others state that he was chased into a restroom by a public safety officer, where again, he shot himself.

None of the articles show how a heroic armed civilian saved the day.

The question I posed and had tossed back at me by Hazel God was in reference to this incident but I'll extend it to the Luby's case as well.

Do you believe that the same level of carnage would have been possible if the perp in either case had been armed with a knife/knives instead of a gun?
 

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