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how is there anything to do with straight though if they are gay/bi and are performing acts on one another?

much like the original poster saying "heterosexual men making out hardcore", none of that matches up.

"Heterosexual men making out" are in fact gay or bi men making out.

are these just gay or bi guys pretending to be straight on a website?

what is the novelty of that?

This is the so-called "straight fantasy", which I believe originates from several different desires that can apply in any combination within a single person. One of these is the element of danger and potential for conflict, where its not known if the "straight person" being desired will hit you or kiss you. The Kinsey Institute has done research on this by measuring states of arousal during a pornographic film after the subject has watched a tenuous horror movie clip. Apparently, it's estimated that 23% of people studied are more aroused after moments of crisis.

Another desire is found more in middle-percentage bisexuality and pansexuality than complete or extremely skewed sexuality. This one involves a desire for fluidity of attraction and arousal, set in a world that is without constraint of sexual labels and people can be sexual with anybody if they so choose. This is where someone like me falls. I am extremely "masculine" in my behavior, yet I have strong feelings for men. It stems, I think, mainly from a sexual confusion and a wish to be either completely heterosexual or completely homosexual despite the knowledge otherwise. In other words, there is a dislike or hate of one's sexuality, something that is out of the person's control. It would be easier and more controlling if sexuality was more fluid. The "straight fantasy" makes that a possibility in their minds.

And a third desire I can think of is one in which a person of any sexuality is attracted to a friend of the same sex. In this instance, there is: a fear of rejection by that friend which motivates the fantasy that says the friend can be something more and/or an inability to separate the alluring, strong personality traits from the "masculine/feminine" traits they might exhibit. Hence, the desirer believes he/she is attracted to the "straightness" of the person, when they are probably attracted to their beliefs, convictions, and any other non-sexual personality trait. The "straight fantasy" here is actually an illusion masking a love of the person and not their "gender" typification.

Any or all of these desires, and others I haven't mentioned, are used as base building within sexual thought and behavior. The "novelty" is that the person can use the illusion of the premise- straight guys doing not so straight things- to project their own unrealized fantasies and desires onto reality. This is partially why I and many others feel that two heterosexual men kissing is great stuff. The facts about their "true" sexuality are irrelevant because it's all fantasy. I'm not really there, so I project onto it.

Whew, that was long. I feel like I'm writing an essay for one of my classes.
 

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there is no separation of actions from "true sexuality".

Flashy, you're arguing that someone's actions determine who they are. I'm say that someone's actions are motivated by their desires. This is Aristotle speaking of how drama can reflect reality 2,500 years ago. In the example I posted, those models' desires were, I'm guessing, for money and maybe possibly out of curiosity of what it means to be homosexual, since they have not experienced it. The desire was not to physically get off with another man, as you could plainly see by their difficulty to maintain arousal. Now you could argue that they were repressing their homosexual/bisexual desires, but that can't be proven. Unless you wanna call them up...:tongue:

It also seems like you have "faith" in a certain definition of what sexuality means, and I can't convince you that it's anything otherwise. It would also be inappropriate for the thread, unless everyone else is cool with this turning into a debate on sexuality.
 

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Flashy, you're arguing that someone's actions determine who they are. I'm say that someone's actions are motivated by their desires. This is Aristotle speaking of how drama can reflect reality 2,500 years ago. In the example I posted, those models' desires were, I'm guessing, for money and maybe possibly out of curiosity of what it means to be homosexual, since they have not experienced it. The desire was not to physically get off with another man, as you could plainly see by their difficulty to maintain arousal. Now you could argue that they were repressing their homosexual/bisexual desires, but that can't be proven. Unless you wanna call them up...:tongue:

It also seems like you have "faith" in a certain definition of what sexuality means, and I can't convince you that it's anything otherwise. It would also be inappropriate for the thread, unless everyone else is cool with this turning into a debate on sexuality.

I could not plainly see it, because i did not watch it. Men with other men, no matter what they are exploring, or in whatever context you are attempting to intellectualize it as, are to me, absolutely not attractive, nor interesting, and in fact, quite disgusting.

Now, I certainly respect gay rights, and i support gay marriage, and have gay friends, but that does not mean that your attempts to suggest sexuality as some kind of fluid and everchanging myth just because it affects you that way, affects or applies to me in that way...because it does not.

what is beautiful and erotic to you, is very different to me, and many purely hetero men, when confronted with graphic sexual content.

I certainly do have faith in the definition of HETEROSEXUALITY and BISEXUALITY and HOMSEXUALITY.

You can philosophize and write essays, but it does not change the fact, that for many/most hetero men, gay sex is not something sought or desired or wanted to be viewed. Those men that do want to experience that, and fantasize and act on it, are in fact not heterosexual men, but either bisexual, if they in fact have sexual relations with both sexes, or gay, if they have it exclusively with other men.

You do not have the right to try and interpret the sexuality of others, when in fact, you cannot experience what they experience...you can only speak for yourself, and since you are not a purely straight/heterosexual male in the defined sense, you are in no position to tell me what i am feeling/or what is attractive or desirous to me, anymore so then i can tell you what you may feel in terms of your desires.


and yes, actions do help determine who you are, absolutely among many other things.

and I do not care what Aristotle had to say about actions and feelings...

show Aristotle an Xtube porno involving say two guys blowing each other and ask him what he thinks.

It is doubtful you will get an analysis...but you would likely get one of three or four responses

1. desire
2. curiousity
3. disinterest
4. disgust


One thing that I have learned in my time on this site, and in dealing with many bi-sexual or gay men, is that i have learned a great deal from many of them...most of it positive, however, There is a sizeable portion of the gay/bi community, that seems intent on insisting that all straight men seem to have a desire hidden in them somewhere for gay sex or gay desires...

The only proof those people have of that is there own experiences, and since they are not in fact hetero, how would they know?

It seems as intolerant to me to hear that as when you hear those asshole religious groups say stuff like "oh we'll just take the gay kids to camp and convert them, since it is correctible"

It is just as wrong and unfair.


I was involved in a discussion on here a few weeks ago with a poster who insisted that a man enjoying a girl rimming him was somehow indicative of being "gay to some percentage"


You don't have the right to judge or determine what i Feel or what the true feelings of other purely hetero men are and certainly not without the benefit of actual experience of being a purely straight male in fact regard to desires.

I have a gay parent (male) and i am nothing like him...I find his desires and actions repulsive, in terms of sexual relations, but i respect that they are his desires and his relations, not mine and they are his to do and choose...and i share nothing of the same desires.
 

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Two men kissing whether they are straight, bi or gay is a big turn on for me. There's something about the intimacy that gets me going.

Like bimmli, kissing really turns me on....why else would I have chosen my avatar.....in a fantasy world, it's hellboy and me. Then too, I regard lips and tongues as secondary sexual appendages.....necessary for heavy pit and tit play.
 

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Flashy,

The "plainly see" part was purely rhetorical. You have to trust me when I describe something.

Also, I have every right to interpret and analyze and make conclusions. If they're right, they're right. If they're wrong, they're wrong. This is what people, animals, conscious living creatures do. You're going to be judged. Deal with it and correct when you can. And you're right, I can't experience complete heterosexuality. But that's supposed to forbid me from talking about it?

I wasn't commenting on, or attacking, your sexuality. You know what you are, what you like, etc., at least mostly and up to this point in time. I was commenting on your definition of sexuality, which seems to not take into account psychological and emotional aspects of sex. Tell a rape victim that all she had was sex, and you'll see that you can't separate the two. If you're interested, there are many scientific experiments online that talk of the entire brain being active during sex, not just specific regions like the amygdala.

As for fluidity of attraction and arousal, I'm a good example of that "myth," although I can't really prove it here. You're going to have to take my word for it. It probably isn't true for you. But you have to admit that you can't really know this one until the last second of your death. Wouldn't it be funny though if after a lifetime of fantasizing and having sex and emotional connections with women, just as you were about to die an image of two guys doing it flashed in your mind? Last words: "Aw, fuck..." :biggrin1:

You seem to be extrapolating about other heterosexual, gay and bisexual people, which is the same thing you deride me for doing. You also seem to be generalizing about what other people find attractive, as if all heterosexuals find the same things attractive. I'm saying here that it's okay to talk in terms of generality and conjecture, because it's unavoidable as far as the human condition is concerned. All we can do is learn from it, so there's no need to get defensive about any such discussion (unless you weren't and I'm getting the wrong inflections, which is such a fucking downer about internet chatting). :rolleyes:

Also, what you and I find beautiful and erotic might be surprisingly similar. I do think girls are hot as well. Oh, and sorry about my philosophizing. Can't help it.
 

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Like bimmli, kissing really turns me on....why else would I have chosen my avatar.....in a fantasy world, it's hellboy and me. Then too, I regard lips and tongues as secondary sexual appendages.....necessary for heavy pit and tit play.

Damn straight, Primal! You and me in a night-and-day long lipfest is a massive fantasy for me! I'm not sure about the priority of my sexual appendages, though: My lips and tongue are pretty fucking amazing and love to give and receive!
 

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I've enjoyed reading this thread but I don't want to delve into my personal feelings. I'll just contribute some pics; first two are R-rated, latter two are X-rated.
 

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Gay guys, I respect you and your decision on your sexuality, but that^^^^disturbed me.:eek:

I could not do that.


Would it disturb you if it were 2 girls open mouthed liplocking? :biggrin1:

What about seeing 2 guys do a peck on the cheek?
Not to go all tangental. But the bible does list that Jesus kissed men :eek:


Two fully heterosexual men wouldn't just liplock with another at random. Flash enough money in front of them and it proves the old saying, everyone has a price.

Peck on the cheek I could/can see that. Isn't it an eastern european custom still? Didn't Krushchev kiss a few other leaders of the world? :)
 

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It's not only Eastern Europe. I'm Italian and I've kissed all the men in my family whenever we see each other. It's not sexual in the least but a good expression that you love them.