Half Of Oklahoma Ruled An Indian Reservation

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I look forward to resolutions in favor of Native Americans in many disputes. The seizure of many Native American lands has been a blot on US history.

For now, it is “half of Oklahoma”. But the Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Cherokee nations which were cruelly driven into what would become Oklahoma by Trump’s favorite president, Jackson, will surely eventually be accorded similar status. On the license plate of every car in Oklahoma is the proud declaration: Native America. The SCOTUS just took one step closer toward making that promise true.


Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation
 

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It's going to be interesting, the Dakota Access Pipeline was totally in violation with a US treaty with the Standing Rock Native Americans. This seems like it would set a precedent for them to challenge it being there, even after it was shut down for an environmental impact study.
 

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The DAP is already stopped;:
Judge rejects Dakota Access pipeline request to stop closure
Judge rejects Dakota Access pipeline request to stop closure
I know it was shut down but as it says it's "during a lengthy environmental review" not specifically the the people pf Standing Rock had standing to reject it's very presence. They haven't yet ruled on the treaty validity.

"But as the Tribe and their attorneys battled for injunctive relief in federal court, the Treaties were largely absent in the pleadings and court opinions. "
Standing Rock, the Sioux Treaties, and the Limits of the Supremacy Clause


"The proposed route passes through land that was once set aside for the Sioux in the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie. That historic agreement ensured the Sioux could retain portions of five states, but ceded all of their land east of the Missouri River to the U.S. government in exchange for money, agricultural aid and strict rules about any access to Sioux territory by outsiders. However, the agreement was short-lived.

“Before the ink was dry, westerners were coming in,” Archambault said.

The U.S. government did little to stop white settlers from infringing, according to the State Historical Society of North Dakota.

Things only got worse for the Sioux after gold was discovered at the headwaters of the Missouri River in 1861, prompting a flood of settlers. The tribes repeatedly objected to the intrusions and demanded government recognition of the 1851 Fort Laramie Treaty, but their complaints fell on deaf ears."

Broken Promises: Standing Rock Sioux Tribe Cites History of Government Betrayal in Pipeline Fight

To me it would seem they have a much stronger claim to the land now after the SCOTUS ruling that the US government is still bound by theses treaties in Oklahoma. They just need a case to go up to SCOTUS I guess.
 

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I look forward to resolutions in favor of Native Americans in many disputes. The seizure of many Native American lands has been a blot on US history...On the license plate of every car in Oklahoma is the proud declaration: Native America.

The SCOTUS just took one step closer toward making that promise true.

Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation

Sadly its one step forward and three steps back for those Oklahoma tribes in the Trump era:
EPA Strips Tribes in Oklahoma of Environmental Regulatory Rights | Democracy Now!

EPA Grants State of Oklahoma Control Over Environmental Issues on Tribal Lands | Sovereignty


EPA Strips Tribes in Oklahoma of Environmental Regulatory Rights
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As of October 1, 2020 the Environmental Protection Agency granted the state of Oklahoma environmental regulatory control of nearly all tribal lands in Oklahoma , rolling back sovereign rights for dozens of tribes. Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt had asked the EPA for control of environmental regulations on tribal land involving a wide range of issues via letter on July 22, 2020. All of Stitt’s requests were granted by the EPA.


This move effectively cancels out many rights that would have been gained after a landmark Supreme Court ruling earlier this year asserted about half of Oklahoma remains Native American land, recognizing a 19th century U.S. treaty with the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.

Tribal officials fear the EPA’s decision establishes a pathway to potential environmental abuses on tribal land, including dumping hazardous chemicals like carcinogenic PCBs and petroleum spills, with no legal recourse by the tribes.
In a statement to news outlet The Young Turks, Casey Camp-Horinek of the Ponca Tribe of Oklahoma said, “After over 500 years of oppression, lies, genocide, ecocide, and broken treaties, we should have expected the EPA ruling in favor of racist Governor Stitt of Oklahoma, yet it still stings.”



 
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His map is meant to show Native American tribes prior to Columbus and the subsequent establishment of Spanish and English settlements. Your map is post Columbus - naming some European settlements and it has defined borders separating the USA from its neighboring nations. On a side note the lands nearer the poles - in this case the north pole - appear larger than they are in reality due to the "Mercator Projection":

Our world maps are WRONG: Countries near the poles are distorted | Daily Mail Online
 

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His map is meant to show Native American tribes prior to Columbus and the subsequent establishment of Spanish and English settlements. Your map is post Columbus - naming some European settlements. On a side note the lands nearer the poles - in this case the north pole - appear larger than they are in reality due to the "Mercator Projection":

Our world maps are WRONG: Countries near the poles are distorted | Daily Mail Online
Aye, am aware of the difficulties in putting a 3D shape onto a 2D surface but am pretty sure my map is pre-Columban... and t'other map shows the Aztec empire and the Olmecs.

The Olmecs were defunct long before the Aztecs held the Mexican plateau.

None of these maps show what was actually there :)
 

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Aye, am aware of the difficulties in putting a 3D shape onto a 2D surface but am pretty sure my map is pre-Columban... and t'other map shows the Aztec empire and the Olmecs.

The Olmecs were defunct long before the Aztecs held the Mexican plateau.

None of these maps show what was actually there :)

If your map was pre-Columbian it wouldn't feature a 20th century US/Canadian border, a 20th century US/Mexican border, California, Delaware and Alabama. None of those settlements and borders should be on it. His map shows tribes from before the time of Columbus and the destruction of many of them.
 
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If your map was pre-Columbian it wouldn't feature a 20th century US/Canadian border, a 20th century US/Mexican border, California, Delaware and Alabama. None of those settlements and borders should be on it. His map shows tribes from before the time of Columbus and the destruction of many of them.
No... it shows pre-Columban "nations" superimposed over the modern map of the US - that's why it has features of both. It's just so you get an idea of where those tribes would have been in comparison with today, not that they exist in modern America.

The other map is fanciful and anachronistic :)
 

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There were never any laws restricting immigration in North America until 1875.
I think the Native Americans might disagree.......(I'm sure you meant to say immigration laws written by illegal European settlers)
 

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I think the Native Americans might disagree.......(I'm sure you meant to say immigration laws written by illegal European settlers)

I've never seen any indigenous activists pointing to any pre-Columbian legal code containing immigration restrictions. All I've seen is a bunch of hollow, moralizing rhetoric. Saying what happened was morally wrong is an entirely different matter from what the legal reality was.