Halloween Surprise (and not a good one)

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  1. Lex

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    Many of you know I have two kids in elementary school. My daughter's birthday is Halloween (son's is 4th of July--no shit) and so Halloween is a BIG deal in my house. She receives a costume catalogue in September and she and her brother proceed to decide what they will be. This year they dressed up as a Witch and the Human Torch respectively.

    I live in a fairly suburban townhouse and single-family home neighborhood. Lots of small kids between (2 and 13), friendly parents who watch eahc other's kids whike outside playing, etc. The whole American dream ,as it were--house, 2 cars, a cat, blah blah.

    So, my kids return from their adventure with my neighbor chaperoning and we inspect the candy (as we always do--Halloween 2 had ALWAYS haunted me) and what do I find?

    RELIGIOUS FUCKING PAMPHLETS!!

    That's right boys and girls, some fucker sneaked some "Come to Christ" propaganda into my kids pumpkin bags. Mrs. Lex and I were insensed. Since when do these fuckers get off slipping this into the goodie bags of little kids? Since when does a fun holiday mean we are going to hell?

    I swear that next year, I will personally take the kids around and give whomever handed this stuff out the what's for--if they do it again. FUCK.
     
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    I guess this year they decided to go with trick instead of treats.
    Assholes!

    Ask your kids which house it was. I'll bet they remember which door gave them paper instead of candy.

    Halloween and the 4th of july for birthdays? If you have any more kids, Lex, try for Valentines or April fools day.
     
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    Perhaps they felt that you (through your children - ableit they were acting in well meaning innocent fun) imposing on them what is in effect a Pagan ritual (by knocking on their door etc) was as an affront to their philosophy as you feel their handing out Christian pamphlets was an affront to yours

    What they should have done is put a sign on the door saying "NO Trick or Treaters please!" but of course true 'Bible Bashers' seldom pass up an opportunity to 'spread the word' and in that I share your frustration.

    I'm not saying I agree with them, or you for that matter I'm just trying to see it from another viewpoint. Like most things it's a matter of perspective, and as you have told us here before, there is no reality there is only perspective. I used to 'Trick or Treat' as a kid and while most people took it in the spirit of harmless fun it's intended to be, some didn't. C'est la Vie.
     
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    The kids only ring the doorbells of people who have their porch lights on as signal that they will be distributing candy. They gave them candy AND propaganda. Insidious, from where I sit.

    Invite me in and then bash me will bullshit? It that cool?!?
     
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    Rarely do those who have 'seen the light' fail to indescriminately shine it in the eyes of those they feel are in need of illumination? On the plus side, it could have been far worse than religious propoganda. When they come carol singing you know what to do.:biggrin1:
     
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    Lex, that was a sneaky trick. They know parents inspect their candy and you would find it. And when they go door to door, a door slamming in their face does not seem to faze them. Ignore the assholes.
     
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    I think that's hilarious. You should find out what house it is and put a wiccan pamphlet in their mailbox.
     
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    Nah, a "Vote Democrat!" pamphlet is much better.
     
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    I think you should wrap shit in the pamphlets and set them on fire on their porch (my childhood was obviously not that of a choir boy).:rolleyes:
     
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    No, no! Better yet, you should leave a small package of incence and incantations.

    Or play them Voltaire's "When You're Evil".
     
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    Haha, Lex, I guess the trick was on you this time.

    And now, those of you (there are several) who accuse me of "kissing up to the moderators," I'm going against the grain here.

    Lex, enjoy your indignation for a day or two, then just let it pass. You can't help it if you have ignorant neighbors, nor will you change their mind with logic or anger. Until you posted that they were giving out candy AND tracts, I was going to guess that they were Jehovah's Witnesses (by the way, was it a Watchtower publication?). Either they weren't, or that group has changed their own tactics. Whatever they case, as offensive as it may be, your kids did knock on their door. I know how to handle the door-to-door jesus salemen, maybe this family figured out how to handle the door-to-door candy beggars.

    Whatever the case, if you do much more than just forget about it, they win, don't they?
     
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    Ouch!!! How not so nice is that. However, if I was in your position, I'd be like "yeah, whatever, stragiht in the recycling bin". But i suppose, it depends on the context of the document itself. Was it trying to force you going into religion? If so, I would have something to say about that (Cold Calling/Hard selling, etc.)

    On a different note while we are on the subject of halloween, my sister got a little to extravigent for her halloween party, the same image appears in my Live Journal (along with my moaning!). Heres a photo of her, while she "poses" for a shot on my bed.
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    The wings didn't look pretty at the end of the night, nor did "Tanya", who came home at 4am, drunk and had to get up early for college, drunk of course. And she was cold when she got back.
     
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    Halloween serves as a holiday in 3 respects:

    1) it is a celebration of pagan rituals. Mind you, all of the "christian" holidays are based in pagan ritual as well. (i really suspect those are JW pamphlets)

    2) it is the night before a christian holiday (all hallows day) which precedes All Saints Day.

    3) it is a commercialist holiday.

    The third is probably the most important reflection of this holiday currently. As such, i don't find it offensive that someone decided to slip some religious propoganda into your kids candy bags. Afterall, all that candy is filled with commercialist propoganda.

    Your best bet, lex, is to toss the pamphlets away. Perhaps next year you can slip gay propoganda into the kiddies' bags. That's probably the best way to get a public ordinance banning pamphlet distribution to trick-or-treaters.
     
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    I think a lot of people fail to get what the real issue here is. The real issue is certain things are not okay. It is not okay to feed your neighbor's dog without permission. It is not okay to blast your music loud enough for your neighbors down the street to hear it. And it is NOT FUCKING OKAY to push an agenda on children. Religion, faith, or lack therof are a parent's right to teach their children. No one else should be involved without the parent first asking if it's okay. When I was growing up, my mother gave me a copy of the Koran, and the Jehovas Witness book You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, and permitted me to join a bible club run by our Pentecostal neighbor. She told me to go through the books she gave me, or not go through them, but that I should be sure to discuss them with her if I read them, since she'd read them several times. In the bible club, we listened to parables and memorized verses. My family knew what went on there because we talked about it at supper every Wednesday night, and my grandmother helped me memorize my verses in time for the next meeting. All of this was with my mother's consent. If she didn't want to expose me to other faiths and denominations, I wouldn't really be exposed. My family said, "The fate of your eternal soul is your responsibility, and yours only." My mother showed where in the bible it said, "My people shall die from want of knowledge..." and told me not to be ignorant if I could help it. But it was HER DECISION until I was an adult to show me and teach me what she felt I should see. NOT some neighbor who probably follows blindly behind the leader and wants the neighbor-ids to be zombies too. That is NOT FUCKING COOL!
     
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    The last paragraph of what you write is precisely what I'd do too Lex were I fortunate enough to be anyone's father.

    This is the shit that's proliferating this culture of ours.

    Here's to the "good old days" when the worst thing you could get in your trick or treat bad was an apple from the cheapos.
     
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    I'm 100% with BBS on this one. What right do these people have to give ANY propaganda material to elementary school age kids? None whatsoever that's what.

    If it were me Lex I would be going round and asking point blank if anyone had perhaps "accidentally" let some pamphlets in the kids trick or treat bags and I would watch their reactions carefully. But that is just me - bolshy git that I am.
     
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    Bronx (and some others) really hit where I was coming from. My kids have seen religious books (we have Bibles in the house) and have been to church and Sunday school (their Nani takes them on occasion).

    But their exposure to these materials is always with my knowledge, consent and approval. I told their grandmother that she could take them to church anytime but that as soon as they were able to decide for themselves if they wanted to participate or not, that they could refuse and she would need to be okay with that. So far, so good.
     
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    Lex,

    I agree that it is your right to expose your children to religion as you see fit, however, i recognize that they will be exposed to other ideas and there isn't much a parent can do about it. It seems to me that Americans have become exessively protective of their children.

    Talk to you kids Lex. They are going to be exposed to MANY things you'd rather they weren't exposed to. If you keep an open dialogue with them and let them come to you when they are exposed to these ideas they will probably grow to be very well adjusted and accepting individuals. Short of locking them away in a 3 inch steel safe, it is the best you can do.

    Please note: I don't think these people SHOULD be handing out religious pamphlets on halloween. I just think it's futile to be outraged about it. It is an expression of freedom of speech. I think it's better to teach your kids to be accepting of different opinions.
     
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    Bronx, Stronzo, Dave, and Lex:

    That point was not lost on me. Trust me, I am the strongest opponent of overbearing evangelism, regardless of what form it takes. I would be pretty fucking upset for anyone (ANYONE) providing "religious education or information" for my children without my knowledge or consent.

    But these idiots did not break any laws, not by conventional standards, anyway. As I said before, neither logic nor anger will get through to people like that. If you wish to go around the neighborhood and ask around to try to find the culprits, so be it. Even if you find them, and tell them point blank "Never give my children any information like that, ever again," it won't do any good. They will disobey your proscription if they have a chance, and will do their best to indoctrinate any other children if the opportunity pops up. In short, I'm guessing that finding them and talking to them will only make you more angry, and will solve nothing.

    I agree with the previous assessment, Lex, that in the future, anything your children do that requires them to go door-to-door, you accompany them. Other than that, I doubt anything productive can be done.
     
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    [Other than that, I doubt anything productive can be done.[/quote]


    Bloody hell, ask your kids if they want treats or bits of paper.

    Teach them to say "thanks but no thanks".

    Or alternatively, "fuck off".

    Remember if you teach them to be thoughtlessly compliant with adults (parents included) then you are setting them up for a life of shit.

    Their only defense in this world, is their own mind and the strategies they have to express it. Start now. Ok, protect them a bit, but teach them how to protect themselves.
     
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