Okay, I started PE a little over a year ago. Started out with the beginner's routine on jelqing. After a little while, I thought I would try hanging. Had the time, etc... I did it for about 6-7 months and then had to take time off for about 2 months. Started with very low weights, 3 lbs. Didn't really feel anything, but didn't try to quickly go higher. After the beginning routine which was shorter, my routine has always been about this: Warm-up - 10 minutes of light jelqing and/or heat Hang 3-5 sets of 20-30 minutes Warm-down - 10 minutes of light jelqing and/or heat Pretty basic. I have not seen ANY gains. I steadily moved up in weight to try and find that fatigue point. Never really felt much fatigue like I may have read about on the forums. I just started hanging again after the 2+ months and hang 20-25 lbs to get to a point where I feel fatigued. First set is usually fine. Remaining sets, I may have to lower the weight somewhere towards the end of the set. I've always had very strong erections and no ED problems. Lot is about 10:00 and I usually hang BTC. My questions are this: Why do you think I may not have seen any gains? Anyone else need to go to these much higher weights to "feel" anything? Is it possible I'm simply "strengthening" the ligs rather than stretching, and if so, what should I do differently? Thanks for any help!