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but pehaps associated as INDIGENOUS WW in particular thru absolutely no doing of ther own are affected vastly by GW/CC
- personal thought

As more Aboriginal children are removed from families, critics say government risks a second Stolen Generation
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As more Aboriginal children are removed from families, critics say government risks a second Stolen Generation


precisely v,same here

never thought there was any negativity for one minute we downunder tend to readily accept wording as such
full on perfection in education is not a pre-requsite in being a better/more informative person huh

Sometimes my wording is not perfect, in fact, I'm far from it.
 

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So much love and admiration to Mr @rbkwp

For all his effort in keeping this thread alive and amazing.

And to you, MickeyLee, for starting it.

MANY of us get it - the spirit in which this thread was started, and the acknowledgement of the effects that colonization, marginalization, and so-called "civilization" have had on indigenous peoples the world over, as referenced in this thread and at resources like survivalinternational.org (as mentioned in my earlier posts).

I think attitudes like "assimilate or die" (which really means, BE assimilated or die) and references to other peoples as "lunatics," and "sad backwards people" are pretty much indicative of a mindset many of us HOPE to leave behind.

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I think my writings in past posts and threads regarding my homeland and gross crimes committed by European explorers and their masters against indigenous peoples is that I 100 % agree with you.

Not only then, but continuing today.

Sometimes my wording is not perfect, in fact, I'm far from it.
 

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Yes, those government homes in New Zealand and Australia were very much the same as our Residential schools and the U.S.’s Industrial schools. All of them were designed to separate and assimilate the children of the Indigenous people. They were horrible, abusive places.

In Canada there were tests done to see what would happen to dental health if all milk products were removed. Lots of other things like that.
 

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Actually, you can lead an ass to water. I have 4 horses and ride. Wrong 2x there, bud. Get a life.

I have a life... "bud"... and not one based upon the need to demonize black and indigenous people.
 
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And in our discussion group, the Global Nation Exchange, we marked Indigenous People's Day. "The history of how these Indigenous lands became property of the United States is more complex than many of us realize," writes historian Brenden Rensick. "Whose ancestral lands do you live on?"

Thanks for joining us this week!
 

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rare occasion when an indigenous act went wrong, but that was back then huh


WHY YOU SHOULD CARE

Because it remains one of the most controversial — and devastating — episodes in South African history.

By Nick Dall


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THE DAILY DOSENOV 01 2018

On an April morning in 1856, as girls frightened birds away from the crops on the banks of the Gxarha River, Nongqawuse, 15, and Nombanda, 10, were delivered a message by two strangers who appeared out of nowhere. The message, according to Jeff Peires’ seminal work The Dead Will Arise,went something like this: “Tell that the whole community will rise from the dead; and that all cattle now living must be slaughtered for they have been reared by contaminated hands… There should be no cultivation, but great new grain pits must be dug, new houses must be built and great strong cattle enclosures must be erected” to prepare for the coming of plentiful crops, cattle and the Xhosa ancestors who would drive the White invaders into the sea.

Since the arrival of the first European settlers in the 1770s, the Xhosas had seen their land seized, their cattle stolen and their people subjugated and killed. By 1856 they had already fought eight frontier wars and watched as their cattle became contaminated with lung disease that had been inadvertently introduced by the settlers. Mhlakaza, Nongqawuse’s uncle, didn’t take the message seriously at first. But when he recognized one of the “strangers,” based on the girls’ description, as his own brother, Mhlakaza started slaughtering his cattle and telling others to do the same.

The movement, which began as a trickle, turned into a deluge after the great chief Sarhili traveled to the Gxarha, where “the same voices that spoke to Nongqawuse spoke to him as well,” according to an oral source from the time. Over 15 months, the Xhosas massacred 400,000 cattle and destroyed countless acres of crops. Tens of thousands of people died of starvation, with many more fleeing their homes, which allowed Cape Colony Gov. George Grey and the British colonists to finally wrest control of the fertile territory they’d been lusting after for decades.

THE NONGQAWUSE CATASTROPHE WAS AS MUCH A MURDER AS IT WAS A SUICIDE.

JEFF PEIRES, AUTHOR OF THE DEAD WILL ARISE

Peires debunks the British theory that the cattle killing was a Xhosa conspiracy to bring about war, but he also refutes the commonly held Xhosa belief that Grey somehow orchestrated the bloody movement. Which is not to say that Grey didn’t encourage or capitalize on it. “We can draw very great permanent advantages from the circumstance, which may be made a steppingstone for the future settlement of the country,” Grey wrote in a letter. Arguing that the movement was a “logical and rational response” by a nation that could see no other alternative, Peires rejects the prevailing colonial description of the episode as “the national suicide of the Xhosa,” insisting that “the Nongqawuse catastrophe was as much a murder as it was a suicide.”



Nongqawuse (right), the Xhosa prophetess who preached the killing of all Xhosa cattle in the 19th century, with another prophetess from the same movement, Nonkosi.

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The prophecy “tapped into a deep reservoir of desperation,” explains Adam Ashforth, a professor of African studies at the University of Michigan who has written on the topic. Acknowledging that the cattle killing was “unusual in the extent of the sacrifice,” Ashforth says that it was “not unusual in itself.” Similar millenarian movements among people who rally around often apocalyptic religious prophecies were seen throughout Africa during colonial times. In 1905, for example, the Maji Maji rebellion in German East Africa (present-day Tanzania) involved an African spirit medium giving his followers war medicine that he said would turn German bullets into water. And as recently as 2011, Ashforth points out, people suffering from all manner of diseases flocked to a remote Tanzanian village to be “cured” by a retired Lutheran priest who claimed to be acting on direct orders from God.

More than 150 years later, the Xhosas have never fully recovered from the cattle-killing catastrophe. True, Nelson Mandela, a Xhosa born 100 miles east of the Gxarha, was elected in 1994 as South Africa’s first democratic president, but the Eastern Cape remains the poorest province in the country. What’s more, the horrific event paved the way for Christianity to take hold in the area. Seeing the Europeans’ dominance, the Xhosas inferred that “White people had access to a very powerful god,” says Ashforth, and decided that they “wanted a bit of that too.” They were hardly alone: In 1850, according to Ashforth, almost no one in southern Africa, excluding the Europeans, was Christian. By 1950, he says, almost everybody was.


The cattle killing became imprinted on a psychologically scarred nation. “Few people who hear the story of Nongqawuse,” writes Peires in The Dead Will Arise, “ever forget it.” The tale, says Ashforth, “emerges at different times and in different ways and is told for different purposes.” Historians, politicians and tribal leaders have at various times used the parable of Nongqawuse to warn against the fickleness of youth, the folly of women, the dangers of superstition and the evil of George Grey and the Whites.

Even today, commentators are quick to blame problems besetting South Africa on the so-called Nongqawuse syndrome. A quick Google search turned up articles describing the leaders of all three of the country’s largest political parties as “Nongqawuse figures” — and not in a good way.

  • Nick Dall, OZY AuthorContact Nick Dall
The Cattle Massacre That Haunts South Africa
 
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I was gonna link a video regarding the forced adoption of Native Americans in the US in the twentieth century. It's filled with adults detailing their experiences, but wasn't sure if that would contravene the TOS, so decided to delete it.
 

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geuss theres hope,in future generations maybe

to some degree
my Maori Grandmother was virtually enslaved in the White Govts state home, virtually seperated from her famly/communal living pa
deemed unhygienic/unsanitary by the days authorities
now reports say they had the best family orientated living conditions ever

my mother knrew better,not allowing them to interfere with our upbringing, brought us up independant of those ways
told us of reports that Cratolic persons were comitting heinous acts, even then
when there was minimal reporrs of such being told

i am personally hoping,it the evil,is weaned out of our younger generations

Just recently found some cousins through a DNA site and am getting to know one of them. Both were significantly abused in their adoptive home.
 

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i believed my Mum then and it was confirmed thruout life
so many truths/stories WW, incredib;e LF
and now we see them acting on oter countries/cultures and estroying them more so,50 years or more

Yes, those government homes in New Zealand and Australia were very much the same as our Residential schools and the U.S.’s Industrial schools.

will
definitly get around to it, thanks


Here's the youtube channel:

Vox

It's called "How the US stole thousands of Native American children".