Happy Nowruz from Barack Obama

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  1. vince

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    Oh my bloody oath... He even speaks Muzlum! :eek:

    Mr. Obama is using the internet in new and creative ways again.

    YouTube - whitehouse's Channel

    AFP: Obama launches 'YouTube diplomacy'

    Diplomacy in the 21st century?
    Or naive?
    Will the Israelis scorn this attempt to speak to their enemies?
    What will the NeoCons and their media lackys have to say?
    Will the Mulallahs be blocking the people of Iran from watching? Or will they scream more threats from the Minbar?

    This guy just keeps changing the game.
     
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    I think that was terrific! He's a 21st century man.
    I'm sure some of our more terrified conservatives will be translating whatever it was he said at the end of that heartfelt message to the Iranians as "ATTACK us NOW"!
     
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    Wasn't that why he was elected in the first place?
     
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    Wow. Treating our adversaries with dignity and respect; might this lead to them responding in kind? Quel novel concept.
     
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    Muslim is a religion, not a language. Just like Christians, Muslims speak a multitude of languages.
     
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    Nahhh, bombing the crap out of people just because you don't understand them is always far more effective. Just ask G.W. Bush. :wink:
     
  7. vince

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    :rolleyes:
    We need a sarcasm smiley.
     
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    I hope there's some solid strategy behind this

    ostensibly, it just makes him come across as a humanistic libtard
     
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    Oh, in that case, we should begin the impeachment proceedings promptly! Of all the things a president should not be, humanistic is the worst. :rolleyes:
     
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    oh please. keeps changing the game?

    Totally Naive...

    Virtually every president in the modern age has addressed citizens of other nations in one way or another, either through diplomatic visits, or speeches or on Voice Of America indirectly

    so because he put it on youtube he is some kind of visionary?

    that puts him on the same level of vision of kids who put clips of themselves playing HALO on youtube.

    It is a perfectly rational strategy...he did not discover the cure for cancer or split the atom.

    Someone on his staff probably said, "hey why don't we shoot an address to the Iranians and stick it on the internet and the TV and everywhere"

    it is not as if it went out on Youtube Only...it was given to every Iranian News Agency as well


    if you think sending a greeting on youtube is somehow going to convince the Iranians that they should stop pursuing their nearly completed nuclear plans you are sadly mistaken.

    they are not scared of Obama attacking them either.


    As for the Israelis, just FYI, the Iranians are not just "their enemies". they are our enemies as well. They are killing american soldiers in Iraq with weapons, intelligence and training...or is that not fact?

    The Iranians have already reacted to the Obama message...


    Reacting to the message, Ali Akbar Javanfekr, a senior advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the US had to recognise its past mistakes if it wanted to engage Iran.
    "By fundamentally changing its behaviour America can offer us a friendly hand," he told Reuters news agency.

    In separate Nowruz messages to the Iranian people, neither Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei nor President Ahmadinejad mentioned Mr Obama's speech.
    Ayatollah Khamenei said world powers had been convinced they could do nothing to halt the progress Iran was making on its nuclear programme.



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    Teheran said it welcomes Obama's greetings but would nevertheless push on with its nuclear program. Iranian Energy Minister Pervez Fatah reiterated that the Bushehr nuclear facility would begin operations this year and emphasized that it was intended solely for peaceful purposes. He also said Iran would reveal further progress in its nuclear program within 20 days, but did not elaborate.
    An advisor to Ahmadinejad said Iran would be willing to "forget the rash behavior" of the United States in the past if the Americans would change their attitude to Iran in the future.




    Thank goodness it worked.




    and besides, the ISraelis have already responded, broadcasting their own message to the Iranians on the Nowruz Holiday by Shimon Peres...on the Farsi service channel of Israel Radio...in a nutshell, he said the leadership was "religious fanatics." and said:


    "You can't feed your children enriched uranium."


    urging them to shake off the rule of



    "an oppressive and fanatical regime" and return to relations of peace and harmony with Israel, which, he recalled, the two countries enjoyed when the Shah was in power, until 1979. He called on the "noble Iranian people" to eschew the rhetoric of hate and even offered a greeting for Nowruz, the Iranian New Year, in Persian.

    Peres heaped praise on the Iranian people and expressed his belief that they would eventually topple the regime because "leaders who do not serve their constituents are eventually removed."




     
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    quel novel repondre...

    the Iranians have already told him to fuck off...not exactly responding in kind, is it?


    "Thanks for the Youtube shout out bro, yeah we'll stop the drive for the atomic bomb now...if only the US had gone on youtube sooner, none of this confusion would have been necessary." :rolleyes:


    Reacting to the message, Ali Akbar Javanfekr, a senior advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the US had to recognise its past mistakes if it wanted to engage Iran.
    "By fundamentally changing its behaviour America can offer us a friendly hand," he told Reuters news agency.

    In separate Nowruz messages to the Iranian people, neither Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei nor President Ahmadinejad mentioned Mr Obama's speech.
    Ayatollah Khamenei said world powers had been convinced they could do nothing to halt the progress Iran was making on its nuclear programme.



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    Teheran said it welcomes Obama's greetings but would nevertheless push on with its nuclear program. Iranian Energy Minister Pervez Fatah reiterated that the Bushehr nuclear facility would begin operations this year and emphasized that it was intended solely for peaceful purposes. He also said Iran would reveal further progress in its nuclear program within 20 days, but did not elaborate.
    An advisor to Ahmadinejad said Iran would be willing to "forget the rash behavior" of the United States in the past if the Americans would change their attitude to Iran in the future.
     
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    What else are we going to do? Bomb Iran? Start another war?

    Practically speaking, we're in no position to demand anything from Iran. We are not militarily strong enough to deal with Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, and Iran. The Iranians aren't idiots, they know this, and so are thumbing their nose at us. What they really want is hard currency and lots of similar assistance. Iran is broke. They're rationing gasoline, face double digit unemployment, and 26% inflation. They've taken a page from North Korea's playbook and figure that if you piss off the US enough that you'll get assistance from the US. In that, they've miscalculated. Iran's leaders have grossly misjudged the average American's perceptions of Iran and its leadership. They do not understand that giving massive aid to Iran is not politically possible nor strategically desirable. The mullahs don't want to be overthrown and are doing anything they can to stay in power.

    Obama can use the opportunity of his new office to build dialogue between the US and Iran. I don't believe we have a choice in this if we want to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
     
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    Hey Jason! It's good to have Barack on our side.......buisness as usual would be more like this.............
    John McCain sings!: Bomb,Bomb,Bomb IRAN!
    YouTube - McCain Sings Bomb Iran, laughs
     
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    well i would like to believe your optimistic scenario Jas, but the Iranians want the bomb...simple as...and they won't stop. If they just wanted peaceful energy, that could have been accomplished a few years ago, and everyone would have been glad and the conflict over.

    there is only one way we are going to prevent them acquiring weapons, and that is to bomb all the affiliated production and research sites.

    we are more than militarily strong enough to deal with Iran at the same time as Afghanistan and Iraq...and Mexico is hardly something that is going to tie us down militarily. we won't be using combat brigades there or fighters. more like DEA, national guard units, drones etc.

    any war with Iran is not going to include occupation at all or significant, if any ground forces inside Iran itself.

    it would be a missile, drone, and aircraft assault.

    we have more than enough to destroy their affiliated nuke sites, plus all revolutionary guard bases.

    their air force is weak and in total disrepair.
    their ground forces are poor.
    their navy is weak as well.

    they are technologically completely inferior, not to mention in training terms and experience in modern information age combat.

    they might choose to fight that with unconventional tactics, such as attacks here and abroad vs. US interests, by Iranian intelligence agents and revolutionary guard forces, but if they were to do that, it would cause even more severe responses from us.

    unfortunately, they will not give up their pursuit of the bomb...this will end in one of two ways...either they get the bomb, or we strike at them. (and if we don't, you can rest assured the Israelis will, in some way)
     
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    If Israel thought it 'Had to do,What it had to do'........:wink:
    I just hope that the intell is somewhat more substantial than what we went to War with IRAQ over. Because at the end of the day....the Iraqis had NOTHING to speak of.
     
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    We've already told Israel not to bomb Iran and, so far, they've listened. Iran's uranium enrichment facilities are in highly populated areas so as to create enormous collateral damage if the facilities are struck. Any country that launches against Iran is going to face enormous bad press in the Muslim world.

    Iran is already spending a great deal of effort destabilizing Iraq, hoping that the Shia provinces in the south will join with Iran once the US pulls out. We're not able to contain Iran's actions in Iraq. If we can't do that, then how are we supposed to do it while we're at war? We'd have a second front open on the Iran-Iraq border and in Afghanistan. As we've learned in Iraq (and should have learned in Vietnam), big weapons don't matter much if there's an effective insurgency. Conventional weapons and tactics are no substitute for hearts and minds.
     
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    true...but the iraqis had nothing because the Israelis bombed the Osirak reactor :biggrin1:

    we know the Iranians have it because they are not hiding it. :wink:
     
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    Good points Flashy. I did not say that Iran had conventional forces in Iraq and would not say such a thing as it's quite untrue by all reports I know. I was referring to their covert support of insurgencies and pro-Iranian political/paramilitary factions. I should have been clearer.

    I used to believe that Israel would eventually act no matter what the US said, but Livni's lack of a mandate in the last election made me reconsider. I freely admit I could be wrong. I'm no expert on Israeli internal politics.
     
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