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[BruceSter]

Hi again-

the solution we are working towards here might be the invention of "intellectual porn", if there isn't any already. Madame Zora mentioned another thing that I didn't know how to describe, but miss on porn, too - exchange. The way communication is handled on standard porn reflects the title of one of the favorite songs of my long-time former girlfriend Corrine: "Shut up and fuck me" - no communications except exaggerated moaning, some screaming, and a sentence like "Fuck me" at the beginning. I mean, are these guys and girls demanded beyond their mental abilities by talking while having sex? I don't think so. I guess porn could get a real chance of becoming more mainstream if it wasn't only about dopey looking guys fucking bleached-blondes with bolted-on plastic titties.

I once saw that movie with Mark Rylance and Kerry Fox, "Intimacy", which has pretty hardcore scenes for a mainstream movie (even shows an erect penis in one scene), and that movie got me really aroused. It displays sex not as an act of plastic bodies, but as - as we put it above - contact sport, including all the things that come with it... blushed faces, bite marks, the crease pattern of the pillow leaving marks on the woman's back. Also, the actors (Rylance and Fox), though good-looking, are average people, and don't look like pornstars. The sex scenes of that movie (which there are quite a number of) gave me more than all the hardcore flicks I'd seen before. That movie (also because it had a real storyline) could be best described as "intellectual porn".

Bruce

 

[glad to impale you]

Originally posted by Karen M@Jul 29 2005, 03:44 PM
Then there's the fact that they're just fucking, not making love, and there's a huge difference between the two! I need to be able to believe that the subjects have at least some attchment to each other beyond the physical.

why do you need to be able to feel the attachment? have you never picked up or been picked up in a bar and just had sex? if you have then you know that you dont need to feel any attachment...its sex...and its just porn.

if you haven't been picked up or picked someone up for just sex then you should try it sometimes.

but man, its just porn. who cares who has an attraction to anyone? with that statement you just sound prudish or homely.

 

[BruceSter]

Originally posted by glad to impale you@Sep 14 2005, 12:52 PM
why do you need to be able to feel the attachment? have you never picked up or been picked up in a bar and just had sex? if you have then you know that you dont need to feel any attachment...its sex...and its just porn.

if you haven't been picked up or picked someone up for just sex then you should try it sometimes.

but man, its just porn. who cares who has an attraction to anyone? with that statement you just sound prudish or homely.

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You're using pretty harsh words here, calling someone "prudish" and "homely" just because she misses something in porn. I'd have to be homely and prudish then too, and, god help me, I'm not!

I have had my fair share of quickies, and NONE of them was like porn. I agree when you say that it's just sex, but I am starting to get serious doubts that the sex someone has is the sex that's displayed in porn. Even with those quick ones, we had more body contact and more verbal exchange than already mentioned. No matter how good you know the lady you have sex with, sex has always been - and will always be - communication, and the sterile showy way it's handled in a porn flick isn't the way it's a turn on, except maybe to someone whose sex life is nonexisting except for the porn jerk-off. Everyone with a real sex life should miss something in porn.

If you fuck someone, there's always attraction involved - why'd you hit on a girl to get her into your (or get yourself into her) bed, if there wasn't any?

Bruce

 

[madame_zora]

Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don't require this at all. A man will hit on a pretty girl, but he'll take whatever he can get as the evening wears on. I know this isn't true of every man, but we all know it's true for a lot. Most women would never consider fucking a man to whom she is not attracted in some way, so there's your answer. People watch porn to replicate what makes them hot in real life.

Glad to impale you, it's bad form to join a forum just to be rude to it's members.

 

[BigBen]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 08:27 AM
Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don't require this at all. A man will hit on a pretty girl, but he'll take whatever he can get as the evening wears on. I know this isn't true of every man, but we all know it's true for a lot. Most women would never consider fucking a man to whom she is not attracted in some way, so there's your answer. People watch porn to replicate what makes them hot in real life.

Glad to impale you, it's bad form to join a forum just to be rude to it's members.

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Madam Z, I don't dispute your idea that many, if not most, men can get hot over a girl simply because of her looks and then "fuck and ask questions later". But not all. I know it is odd, and I perhaps am in the minority, but being very selective has enhanced those encounters and relationships I have had. Some of my best friends are very attractive women. We get along great. And they understand that while we are close, and good friends, I don't hit on them or accept any of their passes when we first met because, on some level, I did not think we were "connecting" to lead to physical intimacy. Yes, does a really hot (to me) lady turn me on...absolutely. Will I walk away if for some reason I discover something some other guy might call inconsequential, but to me it matters? Again, absolutely, I have done it more than once. Most women will walk away from a "hot guy" if he opens his mouth and says the wrong thing or proves himself an ass to much and too soon. I would decline the goddess Aphrodite if she did something to turn me off. I suppose it is old fashioned to some, but I sleep better at night and don't have a problem looking at myself in the mirror in the morning. Not to say I don't love sex...that is so far from the truth, and my libido is probably equal to most anyones, but some things are just not worth doing if you are not mentally happy you are doing it.

I also agree with an earlier post in this thread where it was said, to paraphrase,
"why watch ugly guys fuck?"....I think the same thing about porn. I am very selective on the type of woman I find attractive, and why watch some 95 lb teenager with a bad boob job fake moan and groan for 15 minutes when a close up shot of her pussy shows she is as dry as a desert and she started moaning the second the camera focused on her and before her "costar" even entered her? Give me a break...and the comment about arched back, but no skin on skin, no contact, no intimacy...just bumping genitalia....not real and certainly not inspiring to me. I once posted to a thread about the time I was invited to a porn set and offered a career in porn. I was very young at the time, but besides the attitude of the male "star" when I showed up, when I watched a scene and saw "something was missing", I could not put my finger on it at the time. I later figured out what was missing was real passion, affection, and respect for your partner. It was not "real life". Besides the jealous attitude of the male "star", the scene I watched them filming showed me that I did not belong in that environment. Having a really huge whopper would have made me some quick money and probably a lot of dubious "fame". My epithat would have read "Sadly here lies the semi famous giant cocked porn actor who fucked up his life and never had anything real." That is a fake world, with fake people, and it shows in the films. Karen M and Madam Z and others got that right.

Perhaps some guys watch porn because they are lazy and have little else to do and want to "get off" and I think, perhaps, some women watch porn because they are already horny, and they do try to identify with the "actress". The comment someone wrote about that they can only watch it for a while before they are excited enough to want to turn if off and have sex themselves...I don't think that is all that rare in many women. For most men, and some women perhaps, there is a bit of vicarious living through the "actors".

So yes, I agree with Karen M on porno and on sex without genuine affection, attachment, and such. If you do have genuine like and affection for someone, and best of all love, and they for you, it has been my experience, at least for me, that the sex for fun (sport fucking to some) is even better, more fun, more orgasmic, and more laughter and satisfying. Adult play for plays sake. Love is not always a prerequisite, at least not the eternal til death do us part type of love, but deep respect and affection makes sex so much more fun and satisfying. And finding til death do us part love is always a hope and possibility.

 

[BruceSter]

Originally posted by BigBen+Sep 15 2005, 06:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BigBen &#064; Sep 15 2005, 06:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 08:27 AM
Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don&#39;t require this at all. A man will hit on a pretty girl, but he&#39;ll take whatever he can get as the evening wears on. I know this isn&#39;t true of every man, but we all know it&#39;s true for a lot. Most women would never consider fucking a man to whom she is not attracted in some way, so there&#39;s your answer. People watch porn to replicate what makes them hot in real life.

Glad to impale you, it&#39;s bad form to join a forum just to be rude to it&#39;s members.

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Madam Z, I don&#39;t dispute your idea that many, if not most, men can get hot over a girl simply because of her looks and then "fuck and ask questions later". But not all. I know it is odd, and I perhaps am in the minority, but being very selective has enhanced those encounters and relationships I have had. Some of my best friends are very attractive women. We get along great. And they understand that while we are close, and good friends, I don&#39;t hit on them or accept any of their passes when we first met because, on some level, I did not think we were "connecting" to lead to physical intimacy. Yes, does a really hot (to me) lady turn me on...absolutely. Will I walk away if for some reason I discover something some other guy might call inconsequential, but to me it matters? Again, absolutely, I have done it more than once. Most women will walk away from a "hot guy" if he opens his mouth and says the wrong thing or proves himself an ass to much and too soon. I would decline the goddess Aphrodite if she did something to turn me off. I suppose it is old fashioned to some, but I sleep better at night and don&#39;t have a problem looking at myself in the mirror in the morning. Not to say I don&#39;t love sex...that is so far from the truth, and my libido is probably equal to most anyones, but some things are just not worth doing if you are not mentally happy you are doing it.

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Hi there-

that pretty much reflects my own attitude. I love sex, and surely don&#39;t refuse it (that is, if I wasn&#39;t in a committed), but I&#39;m no male whore. The only problem there is is that I get turned on by a vast amount of things - from visual stimulation (looks, face, smile etc) over acoustic stimulation to very subtle things like social status - I had a time when I got turned on as I imagined the bedroom interior of women (still, fantasizing about that is something that can distract me). But really, if a woman wasn&#39;t my type, I&#39;d not fuck her, no matter what her bedroom looks like.

But back to the subject of porn - if a porn flick had a stronger non-erotic storyline and the sex scenes were more natural, would you get a bigger kick out of it? And what do you say about sex scenes in mainstream movies? They aren&#39;t as graphic and extensive as in porn, but do you consider them as better than the ones in porn movies?

Bruce

 

[glad to impale you]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 04:27 AM
Most women would never consider fucking a man to whom she is not attracted in some way, so there&#39;s your answer.

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and the cheque is in the mail and i promise i wont come in your mouth.

give me a break.

 

[BigBen]

Originally posted by BruceSter+Sep 15 2005, 04:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BruceSter &#064; Sep 15 2005, 04:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by BigBen@Sep 15 2005, 06:53 AM
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@Sep 15 2005, 08:27 AM
Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don&#39;t require this at all. A man will hit on a pretty girl, but he&#39;ll take whatever he can get as the evening wears on. I know this isn&#39;t true of every man, but we all know it&#39;s true for a lot. Most women would never consider fucking a man to whom she is not attracted in some way, so there&#39;s your answer. People watch porn to replicate what makes them hot in real life.

Glad to impale you, it&#39;s bad form to join a forum just to be rude to it&#39;s members.

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Madam Z, I don&#39;t dispute your idea that many, if not most, men can get hot over a girl simply because of her looks and then "fuck and ask questions later". But not all. I know it is odd, and I perhaps am in the minority, but being very selective has enhanced those encounters and relationships I have had. Some of my best friends are very attractive women. We get along great. And they understand that while we are close, and good friends, I don&#39;t hit on them or accept any of their passes when we first met because, on some level, I did not think we were "connecting" to lead to physical intimacy. Yes, does a really hot (to me) lady turn me on...absolutely. Will I walk away if for some reason I discover something some other guy might call inconsequential, but to me it matters? Again, absolutely, I have done it more than once. Most women will walk away from a "hot guy" if he opens his mouth and says the wrong thing or proves himself an ass to much and too soon. I would decline the goddess Aphrodite if she did something to turn me off. I suppose it is old fashioned to some, but I sleep better at night and don&#39;t have a problem looking at myself in the mirror in the morning. Not to say I don&#39;t love sex...that is so far from the truth, and my libido is probably equal to most anyones, but some things are just not worth doing if you are not mentally happy you are doing it.

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Hi there-

that pretty much reflects my own attitude. I love sex, and surely don&#39;t refuse it (that is, if I wasn&#39;t in a committed), but I&#39;m no male whore. The only problem there is is that I get turned on by a vast amount of things - from visual stimulation (looks, face, smile etc) over acoustic stimulation to very subtle things like social status - I had a time when I got turned on as I imagined the bedroom interior of women (still, fantasizing about that is something that can distract me). But really, if a woman wasn&#39;t my type, I&#39;d not fuck her, no matter what her bedroom looks like.

But back to the subject of porn - if a porn flick had a stronger non-erotic storyline and the sex scenes were more natural, would you get a bigger kick out of it? And what do you say about sex scenes in mainstream movies? They aren&#39;t as graphic and extensive as in porn, but do you consider them as better than the ones in porn movies?

Bruce

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Bruce, Since you used my quote, and then asked a question, I am going to make the assumption, rightly or wrongly, that you are asking me. So here goes. If porn had a stronger non-erotic storyline and the sex scenes were more natural would I get a bigger kick out of it? Hard to say...not seen anything like that to date. lol I think most folks watch porn, and like some of the ladies mentioned, try to identify with a character or two, especially during the sex scenes. I have yet to identify with any male actor in porn that I have seen, so that might be part of my particular lack of interest in porn. What do I think of the sex scenes in mainstream movies? If anything, they seem to be worse than porn...silly and too fake. Almost think the old style western movies where John or somebody is kissing the girl and the camera fades up and away was better done. No graphics but the imagination knew what was going on and put it together to something we each could relate to in our own way. The silly scenes in most movies are just that...silly. Most folks fast forward through them on dvd because they are silly and unreal,and get on to the rest of the movie. Mainstream sex scenes are more body contact, for a second or two, but not very real otherwise...no sounds. And I have yet to fuck any woman who was not vocal in some way or other...either by sounds of passion and/or by talking (or yelling) during sex. I doubt any man on earth likes a quiet woman when he is trying to please her. The possible exception is some kid in high school with is gf in her room and her parents next room over on a Friday night....lol...just kidding...but you see my point I hope. Sex at its best is raw, passionate, real, playful, urgent, soft, hard, slow, fast, intense, liberating, wet, wild, loud, exhausting, and rejuvenating. Anything less is not real and certainly not the best it can be. Porn and mainstream movies don&#39;t do that or show that. Too sterile and contrived and formulatic. Though the sex scene in Mr and Mrs Smith (the movie) with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie where they just tried to kill each other and shot up their house, and ended up fucking on a hallway table and ripping clothes, that was close...but the glass falling around them and no one noticing was a bit too much. But otherwise that was trying to show passion and lust. And lust is a good thing.

Take care Bruce.

Ben
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[BruceSter]

Hi there-

yes, I meant you too, but all the rest too - so here&#39;s the question again.

But back to the subject of porn - if a porn flick had a stronger non-erotic storyline and the sex scenes were more natural, would you get a bigger kick out of it? And what do you say about sex scenes in mainstream movies? They aren&#39;t as graphic and extensive as in porn, but do you consider them as better than the ones in porn movies?

Regarding the sex scenes in mainstream movies, I think it&#39;s an American thing that they come so unreal. Really lusty scenes aren&#39;t in the books of our directors, they are not desired by the public and tend to be cut out anyways. My ladyfriend dragged my butt into some european movies, or foreign movies in general, and if you see how sex is handled in French movies, you&#39;d consider that good sex is fit for the big silver screen too. Or think of the erotic thrillers, movies like "Basic Instinct", "9 1/2 weeks" or "The War of the Roses" - those handle sex in a pretty natural way too (especially the last mentioned, remember the first sex scene with Douglas/Turner - now talk about lacking exchange&#33

I don&#39;t think I&#39;d ever be able to identify with the actors (let alone actresses) in a porn flick - at least not when they act, privately, maybe - but if the side storylines of a pornflick came less phony, and the sex scenes were more natural, I guess I&#39;d consider watching some more.

Bruce

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 12:27 AM
Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don&#39;t require this at all.

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A friend of mine recently said guys use relationships to get sex. Girls use sex to get relationships. I told her no more Lifetime for her.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by jonb+Sep 17 2005, 02:48 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jonb &#064; Sep 17 2005, 02:48 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-madame_zora@Sep 15 2005, 12:27 AM
Well, generally speaking, women will be more apt to get hot for someone for whom they have feelings, whereas many men don&#39;t require this at all.

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A friend of mine recently said guys use relationships to get sex. Girls use sex to get relationships. I told her no more Lifetime for her.

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Funny, but too often true. I&#39;ll never understand why we women get stuck with Lifetime.

 

[D_Barbi_Queue]

I like to watch Unsolved Mysteries....doesn&#39;t that come on that channel around noon?

 

[thirteenbyseven]

O.K. distilling the above posts to a common denominator we can agree that mainstream porn is not "Gone With The Wind." It&#39;s cheap to video, appeals to the purient male carnal interest and ends up making a fortune for the producers like Vivid Video out in the San Fernando Valley. Over the past few years there have been some attempts by a couple of ex-female porn stars to make porn films that appeal specifically to women. By and large these end up as hotel pay-per-view movies so incredibly, laughably sterile that they appeal to no sex in this solar system. In these, sex scenes are generally close-ups of the actors faces with expressions that could be taken for gastroinstestinal distress as much as sexual passion.

Problem number one in female porn is that women want romance, a soap opera kinda dude who blow dries his hair and shares his feelings and says "I love you so much" 37 times a scene while he and she share a sexual interlude in places like the Cote De Azur or Bora Bora. Guys just want to see a hot babe in the buff with huge tits and a pussy that won&#39;t stop; it could be in a Motel 6.

It wasn&#39;t always that way. Back in 1982 during the wanning days of porn on film, director Jerry Moss had a dandy little script about a famous television sex therapist meeting a blue collar street-wise bad boy. He set about casting a porn actor who could actually act (John Leslie) and thought he had his perfect female lead, a beautiful statuesque brunette who went by the stage name Bridgette Monet with a refined face, a great figure with great hooters and an on camera air that could at least pass for snobbish aristocracy. The one problem that nearly killed the movie before it&#39;s blockbuster premier in Pussycat theaters throughout the nation...the actress&#39; voice. Bridgette Monet&#39;s vocal talent would have been a natural for Hollywood in voice over work as Minnie Mouse or a score of other cartoon charaters, as a wealthy beautiful seductress the squeaky soprano was a disaster&#33; In desperation, Jerry Moss went to the studio money men and beseeched them for a couple more days for the shoot and frantically hired a woman to dub Monet&#39;s dialogue. The rest is history.

Award winning "Talk Dirty To Me--Part 2" really stands the test of time. A factual trivia item: In the poignant final scene, John Leslie, back from his brush with celebrity, is sitting in his favorite blue collar haunt with co-star Richard Pacheco as a piano player in the background (uncredited Paul Thomas) sings a now familiar ballad who&#39;s lyrics... "I discovered long ago never to walk in anyone&#39;s shadow..." were made platinum by Whitney Houston a decade later.

Rent or buy the DVD.

 

[jonb]

There is the occasional women&#39;s porn. I&#39;ve actually met women who get off to visuals, though. The thing is, there isn&#39;t as much in the way for visuals for women in the mainstream, so it&#39;s not as popular. (True to life, where a man taking care of his appearance was for a long time considered "gay".)

 

[BruceSter]

Originally posted by thirteenbyseven+Sep 18 2005, 07:26 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thirteenbyseven &#064; Sep 18 2005, 07:26 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>O.K. distilling the above posts to a common denominator we can agree that mainstream porn is not "Gone With The Wind." It&#39;s cheap to video, appeals to the purient male carnal interest and ends up making a fortune for the producers like Vivid Video out in the San Fernando Valley. Over the past few years there have been some attempts by a couple of ex-female porn stars to make porn films that appeal specifically to women. By and large these end up as hotel pay-per-view movies so incredibly, laughably sterile that they appeal to no sex in this solar system. In these, sex scenes are generally close-ups of the actors faces with expressions that could be taken for gastroinstestinal distress as much as sexual passion.[/b]

Know your way around the hotels&#39; PPV channels, hm? I agree, this is neither porn nor a noteworthy mainstream movie, but it&#39;s also not the common denominator we are trying to find. "Porn for women" is something I can&#39;t relate to, but as you describe it here, it&#39;s not the thing I meant - I wanted to get out of the cheap, tacky-storyline corner and do something that comes close to a silver-screen compatible movie.
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Problem number one in female porn is that women want romance, a soap opera kinda dude who blow dries his hair and shares his feelings and says "I love you so much" 37 times a scene while he and she share a sexual interlude in places like the Cote De Azur or Bora Bora. Guys just want to see a hot babe in the buff with huge tits and a pussy that won&#39;t stop; it could be in a Motel 6.

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That might be what women look for in porn, and it is one of the few options you have if you want to get porn and mainstream together - a love story. If one leaves out the soap opera shit, it might actually work - lots of it really depends on whether you have actors who can actually act, or just shove a dick up something pussylike. I don&#39;t know the script/movie you mention here, but it sounds like the thing I meant - just what do you mean with "The rest is history"? Did it go down the toilet?

For me, it&#39;d really do it if the camera wouldn&#39;t zoom away from a movie couple that starts making out, but show it instead. Just bad that I guess lots of stars won&#39;t agree to contract paragraphs suggesting that.

Bruce

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by jonb@Sep 19 2005, 02:03 AM
There is the occasional women&#39;s porn. I&#39;ve actually met women who get off to visuals, though. The thing is, there isn&#39;t as much in the way for visuals for women in the mainstream, so it&#39;s not as popular. (True to life, where a man taking care of his appearance was for a long time considered "gay".)

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That&#39;s it for me. I don&#39;t need a LOT of story for backdrop but the implausible plotlines detract from the visual for me. The main problem with straight porn is that it&#39;s so obviously created with the man&#39;s pleasure in mind that the male stars are more frequently "unnoffensive" to the men buying it. That means, not very attractive, not very largely endowed for the most part, and not very creative at sex in general. The ol&#39; "stick it in and pump until the guy cums and the girls screams some nonsense that is clearly not an orgasm" shit just doesn&#39;t get me hot, it makes me laugh.

 

[thirteenbyseven]

Jana, one of the most memorable sex scenes is in the 1974 movie "Chinatown." A lump of bedspread is rising and falling rapidly(Jack Nicholson pumping with all his might) while above the sheets, a completely bored prostitute is chewing gum while reading a magazine. On cue, she glances down, turns the page of her magazine and says offhandedly:

"Oh...oh...you have the cock of an elephant and balls like a bull..."

That is approximately the emotive ability and sexual response of todays adult actress&#39;.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 19 2005, 12:11 AM
That&#39;s it for me. I don&#39;t need a LOT of story for backdrop but the implausible plotlines detract from the visual for me. The main problem with straight porn is that it&#39;s so obviously created with the man&#39;s pleasure in mind that the male stars are more frequently "unnoffensive" to the men buying it. That means, not very attractive, not very largely endowed for the most part, and not very creative at sex in general. The ol&#39; "stick it in and pump until the guy cums and the girls screams some nonsense that is clearly not an orgasm" shit just doesn&#39;t get me hot, it makes me laugh.

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Oh yeah, and for a long time in straight porn, you had to be circumcised. At least in the States. And the positions have to be good for camera angles.

Recently, they&#39;ve found it&#39;s more successful when the actors are guys that the audience wants to look like. This means well-endowed, muscular but not muscle-bound, and looking like they&#39;re in their 20s.

I don&#39;t know what the porn industry was thinking in the 90s with the fat hairy balding guys. I mean, straight guys are surrounded by homoerotic imagery, but we don&#39;t assume it makes us gay. Why should porn be any different?

 

[madame_zora]

Jonb, perhaps you&#39;re right that things are changing. Honestly, I got so turned off by straight porn in the 90&#39;s that I really haven&#39;t seen much in the last 10 years. I know there have been advances in the industry, maybe I should give it a fair shot before I say I don&#39;t like it. I just know that Inside Seka left me ready to puke and Ron Jeremy was disgusting. I did like a few things Peter North was in although I don&#39;t recall titles.

The problem is that not everyone&#39;s taste is the same. Not all men like barbie dolls with bolt-on boobs and not all women like the same kind of guys, but porn stars seem to be mainly cookie-cutter types or downright ugly, and I tend to like more unusual looking people. Fucking mannequins has never appealed much to me, I know you know what I mean. And the stiff, businesslike fucking is just boring.

 

[BruceSter]

Hi (once) again-

one thing that&#39;d (also) do it for me if the movies were shot a little less "professional" but more "amateur", without spatula-applied make-up on the girls and tons of grease in the guy&#39;s hair, without oiled bodies, less professionally lightened and less directed from behind the camera, just more natural. I don&#39;t know whether such movies exist or have ever been shot, but in my opinion, those could get the audience (apart from the usual targeted porn clientele) a lot hotter.

Bruce