Has anyone seen or heard of this guy?

[B_Robert Fish]

Originally posted by DerSchwanz+Nov 29 2004, 11:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DerSchwanz &#064; Nov 29 2004, 11:21 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Robert Fish@Nov 26 2004, 11:26 PM
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Is he the promiscous fag that he makes himself out to be?  What does he really do for a living? Is all that he does is have unprotected sex, in any form, with other fags?  ...

Mr. Fish,

It is apparent you haven&#39;t gotten the word that the use of the word "fag" and its long form "faggot" is as offensive to gay people as using the n-word is to black people.

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WOW&#33; I never thought that my use of a 3 letter word would open up such a world of whoop-ass&#33; I, myself, am not a homosexual. I&#39;ve worked with some of them, and also there have been a couple of friends of my sister who were. Not any longer&#33; I was very nice and understanding and respectful to them, but, after being propositioned to by all of them, I found them to be very promiscous&#33;
And, what&#39;s wrong with the use of the word &#39;fag&#39; anyway? That is a word that came from the British, meaning cigarette, and they STOLE it from the rest of us, and mutated it into meaning something else&#33; Just EXACTLY as what they have done with the word GAY&#33;&#33;
Nowadays, we can&#39;t use that word&#33;

Q: Did you have a nice time at the party last night?
A: Oh, yes&#33; I had a gay time&#33;
Q; WHAT? Did you have same sex???
A: NO&#33; What meant was I had a very nice experience, and everyone was friendly
and I enjoyed the company there&#33;

SEE?

And I don&#39;t know about the rest of you, but I am totally fed up with this whole &#39;Politically Correct&#39; fad we are going through&#33; And YES, it IS a FAD&#33;&#33;

"PC" is crap, however I hereby APOLOGISE to anyone who was offended from what I wrote&#33;
And now, can we PLEASE get this out of control thread back on track???

Thank You&#33;
RF

 

[13788]

ChiGuy28: Agree w/ DblMeat. The person speaking and the overall tone of the conversation dictate whether or not the term "fag" (or variation thereon) is offensive.

As per the topic at hand (i.e. Johnah), I do not know him, however, I have read a few of his "rants" on-line. Based on what I&#39;ve seen, he seems to believe that if one has an abnormally large phallus, then the public at large will automatically be interested in one&#39;s opinions. I believe he is mistaken.

Cheers&#33;

 

[ericbear]

Originally posted by Robert Fish@Dec 1 2004, 12:12 PM
That is a word that came from the British, meaning cigarette, and they STOLE it from the rest of us, and mutated it into meaning something else&#33;....

Not exactly. The origins of the word are chiefly British, but the use as slang to denote a cigarette is not related to the evolution of the use to refer to a homosexual. That use actually comes from the English public school system (which does not mean the same thing as public school in the USA).

The word comes from the middle English, fagge, which means flap. This became shortened to fag, or the phrase "fag end," to mean the remaining, ragged end of something, in particular the end of a bolt of cloth that was poorly or coarsely woven.

As an extension of this meaning, the word came to denote the worn-out remnant of something. It&#39;s not too hard to see how slang of fag meaning a cigarette butt develops from this, eventually becoming the name for a whole cigarette. Adding to the association with something that is burnt, consider that the word faggot (from the middle English fagot, a bundle) was used for sticks of kindling wood. While the words have different origins, they sound similar, and converge again later.

However, the use of fag to designate a homosexual takes an entirely different path, going back to the root of a worn-out remnant. By extension of this meaning, fag came to mean hard work, to become tired by working hard, or one who works hard. Thus, "I&#39;m all fagged out" is an expression meaning I am tired from hard work. In the English public school system (which we would call a boarding school or prep school in the USA), upperclassmen traditionally had underclassmen act as their servants. The boy who was the servant of the upperclassman was called his fag, in keeping with the meaning above, because he was often worked hard by his master. It is easy to see how a term used for a young man in service to another male came to be used to refer to a homosexual.

It is interesting to note that this meaning of fag did not evolve as a shortening of faggot, as some presume. Rather, fag became associated with the longer word.

 

[KinkGuy]

Let me quote you Mr. Fish:
"I, myself, am not a homosexual. I&#39;ve worked with some of them, and also there have been a couple of friends of my sister who were. Not any longer&#33; I was very nice and understanding and respectful to them, but, after being propositioned to by all of them, I found them to be very promiscous&#33;" end quote.

You seem defensive or insecure because you must declare your sexual status and make sure we all know you are are not a "fag."

The overall tone is insulting. "some of them"....""friends of my sister who were"...so, you think you can catch being a "fag?"

Please, just how hot and desirable are you that you were "propositioned to by all of them"? Doubtful

"I found them to be very promiscous"...yep, that&#39;s right....all us "fags" are promiscuous"...and we just can&#39;t keep our cocks in our pants and want to run around having sex with ALL you wonderful, "nice and understanding and respectful" incredibly desirable hot beyond all belief straight men.

You don&#39;t like us "fags", well I&#39;m not so thrilled with hetero&#39;s (?) like you, but I&#39;m smart enough to realize that the entire heterosexual world is not narrow minded, bigoted and hate mongering.

Rant over.

 

[B_Robert Fish]

HELLO??
PLEASE&#33;&#33;&#33;

I made my apology to those who visit and post here&#33; I used a poor choice of words, and I have apologised for for that&#33; Some person has accused me of using my words against me, implying that I was trying to start a brou-haha and accuse me of being a troll, which I&#39;m obviously NOT&#33;

CAN WE NOW PLEASE GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TRACK?????

Thank You&#33;
RF

 

[jonb]

It&#39;s like niggardly, then. Niggardly itself is from the Icelandic for miser, while nigger is from the Latin for black.

 

[GottaBigOne]

I don&#39;t understand why anyone would get offended much by someone elses use of a derogatory word. It seems to me that if you get offended by somone&#39;s view of homosexuality or blacks, and its a nagative view then you are somehow giving that view credibility, almost like agreeing with. I&#39;m of latin descent and when I hear someone make derogatory comments about spanish people I almost never get offended, because when i hear someone say those types of thing all i think is that they are fucking morons.

 

[B_RoysToy]

Originally posted by GottaBigOne@Dec 2 2004, 10:06 AM
I don&#39;t understand why anyone would get offended much by someone elses use of a derogatory word. It seems to me that if you get offended by somone&#39;s view of homosexuality or blacks, and its a nagative view then you are somehow giving that view credibility, almost like agreeing with. I&#39;m of latin descent and when I hear someone make derogatory comments about spanish people I almost never get offended, because when i hear someone say those types of thing all i think is that they are fucking morons.

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You have a mature way of looking at it, GBO. The one who says it casts a reflection on him/herself, not on you. It shouldn&#39;t decrease your self-respect nor
self-image in the least. As they say, "Consider the source."

 

[KinkGuy]

Excellent points, GBO and Roy.

 

[madame_zora]

GBO, that is a very mature attitude indeed, I am humbled. I find myself too easily ruffled sometimes over something not really worthy of my venom, thanks for the reality check.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

Fine. Next time I&#39;m called &#39;queer&#39; or &#39;spic&#39; I&#39;ll remember that I&#39;m not supposed to be offended. I&#39;m sure it will make me feel all warm and fuzzy instead.

 

[jonb]

You should see bliss&#39;s attempts at censoring racial slurs. Variety is the Latinoe of life. LOL

God, I hate bots.

 

[madame_zora]

Oh DMW, I assure you I get irate every time some dumb redneck calls me a nigger, and it happens a lot because I meet so darned many of them in titty bars. The point GBO was making that I agreed with is I should be hearing him say "I&#39;m a dumb fucking moron" instead of "nigger".

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

Originally posted by jonb@Dec 3 2004, 10:15 AM
You should see bliss&#39;s attempts at censoring racial slurs. Variety is the Latinoe of life.

I know what you mean. In another group, someone was listing the hors d&#39;oeuvres served at the reception after an opera. I was confused, then amused, by the entry tiny shrimp in aLatino&#33;

 

[jonb]

Hey, an addition of Encarta had the Nigger River, so it goes both ways.

 

[oralguy281]

Hi all&#33; I&#39;ve read through the thread and I have to say, it once bothered me personally to hear someone say something to me in a derogatory manner. Now, I don&#39;t take it personally; I do still cringe though more from hearing the word and the ignorance of the person using it.
I say &#39;ignorance&#39; and mean that in two ways: first, a person who just doesn&#39;t know what they are saying and the connotations it has; second, the person who is just rude and knows exactly what they are saying. I have this reaction to a few words, including the "n" word and also the "c" word (that female body part).
I&#39;ve learned a word is just a word and it&#39;s the reaction that often gives power and meaning to it. If you ignore it and someone is using it in a derogatory manner, it loses it&#39;s power, diffuses the "joy" the person using it would get, and often makes them seem like the jerk they are. React to it and you have just been dominated by the person using it. They have controlled you and got the reaction they were looking for.
If any of you have heard of the Landmark Forum, they discuss the power of the word by the reaction to it. It&#39;s a way to control others by getting a reaction from them.
Sorry for being long-winded, but I think it boils down to a personal choice one has to make: Give a word and it&#39;s user power and control over you, or ignore it and be in power and control of yourself.

 

[13788]

Goon:

Originally posted by Mr._dB+Nov 29 2004, 09:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr._dB &#064; Nov 29 2004, 09:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK@Nov 30 2004, 12:35 AM
Speaking in terms of music using the word "fag/faggot", Dire Straights  and I hope I spelled the name right song, Money For Nothing  has a verse in it where the term, faggot is used more than liberally. You won&#39;t hear it one the radios anymore, at least the ones I listen to.

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Well, Knopfler was singing that song "in character," not expressing his own feelings on the subject.

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The lyrics were written specifically about Prince. I use that word all the time but it&#39;s not OK if a redneck uses it. I live in Hawaii and the word "Haole" can be used as an adjective or as a racial slur depending on how it&#39;s said/who is using it. I think lots of terms fall into that catagory.

 

[DerSchwanz]

To say that a homosexual is allowing a person who says "faggot" to have power over them if the homosexual reacts in any way is naive.

A person who uses the word "faggot" and is not a member of the club is casting a vote against the treatment of homosexuals as his equal. Plain and simple. Chances are that I, a homosexual, am not the only person within earshot of the "vote." Others within earshot and who are not gay will add it to other votes that they&#39;ve heard. If the other person is a child, he&#39;ll be using it to form his opinion on gay people. Eventually the votes get tallied, and someone gets tied to a fence in Wyoming and beaten to death, or tied to the bumper of a pickup truck in east Texas and dragged to death.

The words are mini hate crimes, and should be stricken from the lexicon.

 

[oralguy281]

Derschwanz, I respectfully disagree. Why is the person saying the word to begin with? To get a reaction. You react, they get what they want.

Why are these words mini hate crimes, because of the power they hold. Take the power out of the word and it just that, a word.

Remember when "queer" had such a bad connotation to it? Now there&#39;s "Queer as Folk" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" , etc. The word is now just another word.

I don&#39;t disagree that people say these words to be malicious, but it&#39;s the action of the person saying it that causes the hate crime. A person using the word is the one who has the potential to harm and commit a crime. The word itself can&#39;t do that. There are gay men that bash other gay men, that is also a hate crime.

As a homosexual myself, I am more concerned with the person saying it than what is actually being said.

I know we can go &#39;round and &#39;round on this forever. I would have been right there fighting it too, until I was taught to separate the word and any action associated with it. The reaction is more fighting for one&#39;s honor or integrity. But one can also gain a great deal of integrity and respect by rising above the situation and not going where the instigator wants you to go.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by Goon@Dec 5 2004, 05:31 PM
The lyrics were written specifically about Prince. I use that word all the time but it&#39;s not OK if a redneck uses it. I live in Hawaii and the word "Haole" can be used as an adjective or as a racial slur depending on how it&#39;s said/who is using it. I think lots of terms fall into that catagory.

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Yanno this would be the perfect time to make a joke about Japanese penises.