still liking Obama personally.
if Hillary beats him... I still think McCain will win.
I hope this disturbs you as well-of course I will support Hillary Clinton should she be the nominee...what disturbs me is the amount of "Trash Talk" regarding Senator Obama here....and the statements that if Hillary Doesn't win I'm voting for mcCain...are there really democrats that want to stay in Iraq for 100 years?
As for the the 50% black remark, I made it clear it was a genetic fact, not how Barack identifies himself.
Seems to me there is quite a lot of trash talk on both sides. Substitute the word 'bastard' for cunt in that statement and you can apply it to most politicians.
Well I'm no grammar expert but I think "cunt" was used as a noun.
As mentioned above, Mr. McCain is enough of a centrist with a nice smile to win the centrist swing vote.
I thought it telling that Mrs. C. said the other night that it took one Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and it will take another to clean up after this one. Whilst democrats are voting on ideology, I think Mrs. C's message is the one that non partisan voters would listen to.
You know exponentially more about US politics than me Nic, but I think that if Mr. Obama wins the nomination he will not win the Presidency.
I base this solely on the fact that his "change" campaign has not won an undeniable endorsement from his own camp, and given that the US is politically conservative, and women voters more so, a semi endorsement from liberals for change will never be enough to convince the whole country.
As mentioned above, Mr. McCain is enough of a centrist with a nice smile to win the centrist swing vote.
I thought it telling that Mrs. C. said the other night that it took one Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and it will take another to clean up after this one. Whilst democrats are voting on ideology, I think Mrs. C's message is the one that non partisan voters would listen to.
Not for me.
Hellboy0 '08
One move the GOP may make in the general election is "outing" Obama on his promise to unite and reach across the aisle.
I am surprised I can only hear that argument of Fox News at this point. It is after all Obama's key proposition: achieve everything Clinton would want to achieve, but succeeding because HE knows how to bridge gaps.
Some GOP senators have already commented on the scant evidence of Obama's bipartisanship in the US Senate.
Overall, he's sided with his party, nothing to be ashamed of, but not exactly a behavior making his central claim credible.
As it happens, McCain has far more credibility when it comes to collaboration.
I am afraid that if you are politically committed one way or the other, you are irrelevant.
Yes, it's something of a paradox for long established democracies that successful politicians care least for those voters who care most about politics.
Of course they will take your money and let you do all the campaign work etc, but they know your vote won't win them elections.
Short term lies to the swing voters. Know what they want and give it to them . That's about it really. So if I was a Democrat, I would vote for Mrs. C even though I prefer Mr. O. The Clintons have a proven track record in lying :biggrin1:.