First of all, talk of a "decision to believe" is nonsense. There is no such thing as "deciding to believe" something. Various factors determine one's beliefs. Some are rational, some (surely most) are not. We do not have the power to choose to believe. We have the power to choose whether to consider evidence, whether to examine the conclusions that we are inclined to draw, whether to investigate our sources, and so forth; and we have the power to disregard counterevidence, avoid examination of our reasoning, and in general be uncritical in our thinking. These things lie within our power of free choice. Our beliefs themselves do not.I know this was not directed at me but I feel as a person who DOES believe in astrology (along with a PLETHORA of other things most others don't) I should speak up.
Calboner, I absolutely respect your reasoning. I really do. I get the logic behind what you're trying to get across. I also absolutely respect your decision not to believe. I would hope your decision not to believe has the same respect for my decision to believe. In other words, to each their own.
To call someone a child or a sucker because they don't believe the way you do - especially in matters that don't affect you either way - is a dangerous thing. It's divisive and intolerant. And while I realize we don't live in a world where everything is rainbows and unicorns, on matters that don't affect you either way it really is best to just live and let live.
Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Far be it from me to deny you of that right. Just be careful of your words, for they have consequence.
Second, the issue that I was raising was not about beliefs per se but about the reasoning or lack of reasoning by which those beliefs are arrived at. The belief in astrology and its conclusions derives from confirmation bias and other weaknesses of the human mind. Human beings cannot help having these weaknesses, but they have a choice about whether to take account of them and examine their own thinking critically or not. It is the failure to do this, not the beliefs in themselves, that I was deriding as childish and foolish (though I am prepared to deride the beliefs as well, since no critical habit of mind can sustain them).
Third, if you were making the point that deriding someone's reasoning or lack thereof as childish and foolish is an unproductive strategy for inducing the person to be more critical--rather like trying to get someone to be more disciplined about diet and exercise by telling them how fat and out-of-shape they are--then I could grant your point. But that is not the line that you take. Your objection is that my derision is "a dangerous thing" because it is "divisive and intolerant." I am familiar with such cant phrases, but they are so evasive of determinate meaning that I would have to ask you to explain exactly what you mean by them before I could give a proper reply. For now, I will say only that whether tolerance is desirable depends on what is to be tolerated and in what manner; and I see no reason why bad reasoning should not be subjected to criticism and even derision.
Finally, concerning your points that someone's beliefs about astrology do not affect me and that I should "be careful of my words" because they "have consequences": You have some nerve to tell me that my words have consequences while you disregard or deny the dangerous effects of uncritical and pseudo-scientific thinking. Sure, astrological thinking belongs pretty low on the list of dangerous intellectual failures, as contrasted with, say, the anti-vaccination movement or the delusions of Christian right-wingers about abstinence education and the dangers of using contraceptives. But a lot of the same intellectual failings drive all these aberrations of thinking, and they cannot be condoned.
Phil Plait, author of the blog Bad Astronomy, seems to me to put the point well at the conclusion of his article "Astrology":
So what's the harm? Sure, astrology doesn't work, but it's all in fun, right?
Wrong.
For one thing, it's estimated that hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on astrology every year in the United States alone. That's real money, folks, wasted on something that doesn't work.
For another, astrology promotes the worst thing in the world: uncritical thinking. The more we teach people to simply accept anecdotal stories, hearsay, cherry-picked data (picking out what supports your claims but ignoring what doesn't), and, frankly, out-and-out lies, the harder it gets for people to think clearly. If you cannot think clearly, you cannot function as a human being. I cannot stress this enough. Uncritical thinking is tearing this world to pieces, and while astrology may not be at the heart of that, it has its role.
For a third, and this one irritates me personally, astrology takes away from the real grandeur of the Universe. We live in an amazing place, this Universe of ours, and it's quite fantastic enough without needing people to make up things about it. Astrology dims the beauty of nature, cheapens it.
Hey, you might say, sure it's in the newspapers, but they put it next to comics, right? How seriously do newspapers take it then? My answer is, if newspapers don't take horoscopes seriously, then they shouldn't publish them in the first place. People know that comics aren't real, but not everyone understands astrology has as much legitimacy as "Blondie and Dagwood". Saying their location indicates their rationality is a cop out. Most newspapers in this country don't even have a science section, and science is critical to our daily lives (you're reading this on a computer, right? Do you wear glasses, or clothes, do you brush your teeth, take medicine, invest in tech stocks, drive a car? Thank science for all of those things then). They don't have a science section, but they'll publish horoscopes.
Also, back in the 1980s, Nancy Reagan, President Reagan's wife, consulted an astrologer to make sure that meetings and such were planned on auspicious dates astrologically. Her husband -- the President of the United States -- went along with it. Still don't think this is harmful? Arguably the most powerful man in the world, and he based his calendar on the random and unsubstantiated claims of an anti-scientific nonsense peddler.
I hope I've made my stance clear.