Hashtag walkaway

[dongalong]

• There's a Democratic establishment that governs for the benefit of the top 10% (as differentiated from the GOP establishment that governs for the benefit of the top 1%).
• There's the Democratic socialists (progressives) who want to use public funds to generate greater equality through welfare systems (continuing public education, universal health care, etc).

It's mostly the first and a smattering of the second.

The party is much closer to center than the rhetoric suggests. If it was really far to the left there would've been serious efforts to get public funded childcare, regulated prescription drug prices, etc, but there was none of that even when the party was in power. Even stuff like gay marriage it took the courts (justice Kennedy, no less) to push through.

So the progressives are closer to the people and have the support of the youth and the rest are power hungry control freaks, is that right?

 

[TexanStar]

So the progressives are closer to the people and have the support of the youth and the rest are power hungry control freaks, is that right?

Probably more fair to say progressives are closer to the people and the establishment is closer to big business. Campaign funds alone can't buy a victory (see Crowley's recent run), but the funding definitely helps and historically big business is where the money's been at (Sanders kinda proved it's possible to use technology to change that).

That doesn't mean that the public will always prefer the progressive candidates though. Voters make judgement calls about who's likely to survive the general election as well as how effective a candidate will be at getting movement on their agenda).

 

[dongalong]

Probably more fair to say progressives are closer to the people and the establishment is closer to big business. Campaign funds alone can't buy a victory (see Crowley's recent run), but the funding definitely helps and historically big business is where the money's been at (Sanders kinda proved it's possible to use technology to change that).

That doesn't mean that the public will always prefer the progressive candidates though. Voters make judgement calls about who's likely to survive the general election as well as how effective a candidate will be at getting movement on their agenda).

Would I be right in thinking that big business has a significant role in choosing the leaders and pushing certain policies? (Like they do in the EU)
Do you know much big business support was lost after Clinton's election loss? She had massive funding.

 

[Industrialsize]

• There's a Democratic establishment that governs for the benefit of the top 10% (as differentiated from the GOP establishment that governs for the benefit of the top 1%).
• There's the Democratic socialists (progressives) who want to use public funds to generate greater equality through welfare systems (continuing public education, universal health care, etc).

It's mostly the first and a smattering of the second.

The party is much closer to center than the rhetoric suggests. If it was really far to the left there would've been serious efforts to get public funded childcare, regulated prescription drug prices, etc, but there was none of that even when the party was in power. Even stuff like gay marriage it took the courts (justice Kennedy, no less) to push through.

Really? Please show policies or legislation that the Democratic Establishment has proposed that will benefit only the top 10%.

 

[TexanStar]

Really? Please show policies or legislation that the Democratic Establishment has proposed that will benefit only the top 10%.

Sure, here's some pretty solid evidence for you to peruse.

 

[Industrialsize]

Sure, here's some pretty solid evidence for you to peruse.

Really? Please show policies or legislation that the Democratic Establishment has proposed that will benefit only the top 10%.

 

[b.c.]

As an observer with a different perspective to you, I see that most Americans aren't ideologues so the Obama policies and ideas just don't appeal to them anymore, 8 years was long enough for them to try them out and wait for the benefits to be experienced their own lives. For some people they saw an improvement, others not. I doubt the dems can convince the latter to support them with the same old promises that were never honoured. Then there are the awkward 2018 employment statistics - how many Americans are now thinking, why couldn't Obama do that?
Fresh ideas are definitely required and they should be more appealing than the good ones pushed by Trump if you want to stop his bad ideas from proceeding.

As the guy who started the #walkaway movement alludes to, the diversity of separate groups (identity politics) is in the process of destroying itself, which was inevitable, tribalism and conflict are intrinsic to one another. I think it would be healthy for the party to distance itself from all that.

PS Jonathan Pie was created by a left leaning British comedian.

Says the guy who questioned western media and called it fake news yet quoted the alt-right rag Breitbart as "truth." Now here to sow more pro right spin and discord among the left. And just in time for the midterms.

What a coincidence.

Maybe the so-called "liberals" here who USUALLY serve to support and normalize that kind b.s. might entertain you. I'm NOT BITING.

The issues and concerns I listed makes us "IDEOLOGUES"?? Riiight. FYI, just in case you forgot "most Americans" who voted, voted for HILLARY. Just in case you haven't noticed, Trump hasn't honored many of HIS promises, and that's with control of all three branches of government. As for the employment statistics, Obama DID do that, and Trump is still benefiting from that. Further they aren't as good as you alt-right spinners who have everyone believe... and dire predictions are on the horizon.

Which brings me back to my original question... the one you AVOIDED answering: What was wrong with the policies and ideas of the Obama years?

 

[dongalong]

What was wrong with the policies and ideas of the Obama years?

- 50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong

#walkaway update: The momentum does appear to be increasing, how long will you stay in denial before you feel a reaction is required?

#walkaway - YouTube

 

[phonehome]

Surprise surprise

All of them are right wing Fox news fueled "talking points" That are million % flat out lies or at best so far from the actual truth they are on balance lies.

 

[bigmatt1983]

- 50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong

#walkaway update: The momentum does appear to be increasing, how long will you stay in denial before you feel a reaction is required?

#walkaway - YouTube

i like how a lot of those have no citations really shows they did their research

 

[phonehome]

Does not really matter

The "citations" would be from the likes of Infowars and World Net Daily anyway

The are all re-girgitated right wing bullshit anyway

Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs or Rush Limbaugh saying them does not make them any more "true"

 

[bigmatt1983]

Yes, but i prefer to have something to pick a part not just "he was bad"

 

[b.c.]

- 50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong

I see your sources (like Brietbart) remain consistently "reliable":

John Hawkins (columnist) - Wikipedia

Surprise surprise

All of them are right wing Fox news fueled "talking points" That are million % flat out lies or at best so far from the actual truth they are on balance lies.

A.K.A. BLOWING IT FROM ONE'S ARSE.

 

[dongalong]

I see your sources (like Brietbart) remain consistently "reliable":

John Hawkins (columnist) - Wikipedia



A.K.A. BLOWING IT FROM ONE'S ARSE.

Hmmm, I very much doubt anyone in the pro-democrat media echo chamber is going to give a critique of Obama's failures.

Interesting to see how his experience evolved:

 

[b.c.]

Hmmm, I very much doubt anyone in the pro-democrat media echo chamber is going to give a critique of Obama's failures.

No one is saying Obama was perfect. But most of that shit listed in your link by conservative columnist John Hawkins is either outright distortions or "wrong" only from the point of view of a right winged HACK. Obama bowing to foreign heads of states? You mean like Donnie saluted a fkn N. Korean soldier?? Riiiiiiiiight.

Lest we forget, Obama inherited a SHIT economy from his predecessor and turned it around to a degree that Trump is taking credit for even as we speak. And he did that while REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES tried to block and obstruct, jobs programs, benefits programs for veterans, a fairer tax, and HOST of other initiatives by the Obama administration.

See:

The Grand Old Party


And yeah, after the BP fiasco, he tightened regulations on offshore drilling. GOOD FOR HIM. And his speaking out on civil rights issues was the RIGHT thing to DO as well, in spite of what fkrs like Hawkins and those of like mind may THINK. So Obama did a lot of good and got a lot accomplished in spite of those obstructionist MORONS who did their utmost to undermine his administration while passing tax breaks for the WEALTHY.... like they STILL are doing.

Remember: NINE OF THE LAST TEN RECESSIONS OCCURRED UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

So Hawkins can shove his bullshit right winged SPIN up his ASS.

 

[dongalong]

No one is saying Obama was perfect. But most of that shit listed in your link by conservative columnist John Hawkins is either outright distortions or "wrong" only from the point of view of a right winged HACK. Obama bowing to foreign heads of states? You mean like Donnie saluted a fkn N. Korean soldier?? Riiiiiiiiight.

Lest we forget, Obama inherited a SHIT economy from his predecessor and turned it around to a degree that Trump is taking credit for even as we speak. And he did that while REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES tried to block and obstruct, jobs programs, benefits programs for veterans, a fairer tax, and HOST of other initiatives by the Obama administration.

See:

The Grand Old Party


And yeah, after the BP fiasco, he tightened regulations on offshore drilling. GOOD FOR HIM. And his speaking out on civil rights issues was the RIGHT thing to DO as well, in spite of what fkrs like Hawkins and those of like mind may THINK. So Obama did a lot of good and got a lot accomplished in spite of those obstructionist MORONS who did their utmost to undermine his administration while passing tax breaks for the WEALTHY.... like they STILL are doing.

Remember: NINE OF THE LAST TEN RECESSIONS OCCURRED UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

So Hawkins can shove his bullshit right winged SPIN up his ASS.

Is there anyone in the Democrat party who you'd support as much as Obama? He was very popular all over the world - well apart from those countries he was instrumental in destroying.

 

[kingjf64]

You are going to be very disappointed on November 9th.

Congratulations Democrats you're still in denial and the best you can come up with is "Abolish ICE"? really? I forgot there's a Little Penis sector here so I'll allow you your safe space then.

 

[Industrialsize]

Republicans walk away from the Republican Party:
I left the Republican Party. Now I want Democrats to take over.
Opinion | I left the Republican Party. Now I want Democrats to take over.
Today I renounce my membership’: Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he’s leaving the party
‘Today I renounce my membership’: Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he’s leaving the party
Vote against the GOP this November
by George F. Will Opinion writer June 22
Opinion | Vote against the GOP this November
San Jose City Council members Dev Davis, Johnny Khamis leave the GOP
The pair said they could not support the Trump administration’s treatment of migrant families.
San Jose City Council members Dev Davis, Johnny Khamis leave the GOP
Charles Djou: Why I’m Leaving The GOP
The former Republican congressman from Hawaii says he can no longer remain in a party led by Donald Trump.
Charles Djou: Why I’m Leaving The GOP
The GOP ‘Has Become the Caricature the Left Always Said It Was’
Jennifer Rubin has become a leading voice for a group of conservative intellectuals who don’t fit comfortably in either political party—and sees the party she left behind as ‘immoral’ and ‘anti-American.’
The GOP ‘Has Become the Caricature the Left Always Said It Was’
Boycott the Republican Party
If conservatives want to save the GOP from itself, they need to vote mindlessly and mechanically against its nominees.
Jonathan RauchBenjamin Wittes March 2018
Wittes and Rauch: Boycott the Republican Party - The Atlantic
Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican
Opinion | Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican
How Roy Moore helped me leave the Republican Party and join the Democrats
For years I championed the Republican Party's political vision. But not anymore.
by Kurt Bardella / Dec.11.2017 / 3:34 PM ET / Updated Dec.11.2017 / 3:33 PM ET
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ve-republican-party-join-democrats-ncna828511
Joexit: Why Scarborough’s departure from the Republican Party is significant
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Josh Barro
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There is a wave of Republicans leaving Congress, updated again
By Sam Petulla and Jennifer Hansler, CNN
Updated 4:38 PM ET, Tue June 5, 2018
There is a wave of Republicans leaving Congress - CNNPolitics

#walkawayfromtherepublicanparty

 

[MisterB]

Congratulations Democrats you're still in denial and the best you can come up with is "Abolish ICE"? really? I forgot there's a Little Penis sector here so I'll allow you your safe space then.

If this is all you got as a "comeback", how about you come back AFTER you've taken a gander at Industrialsize's Albums.

He may be a lot of things, but a member of "a Little Penis sector here"? Nope. Member of the "Bigger Than You" sector for sure.

What else you got?

 

[dongalong]

Republicans walk away from the Republican Party:
I left the Republican Party. Now I want Democrats to take over.
Opinion | I left the Republican Party. Now I want Democrats to take over.
Today I renounce my membership’: Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he’s leaving the party
‘Today I renounce my membership’: Longtime GOP strategist Steve Schmidt announces he’s leaving the party
Vote against the GOP this November
by George F. Will Opinion writer June 22
Opinion | Vote against the GOP this November
San Jose City Council members Dev Davis, Johnny Khamis leave the GOP
The pair said they could not support the Trump administration’s treatment of migrant families.
San Jose City Council members Dev Davis, Johnny Khamis leave the GOP
Charles Djou: Why I’m Leaving The GOP
The former Republican congressman from Hawaii says he can no longer remain in a party led by Donald Trump.
Charles Djou: Why I’m Leaving The GOP
The GOP ‘Has Become the Caricature the Left Always Said It Was’
Jennifer Rubin has become a leading voice for a group of conservative intellectuals who don’t fit comfortably in either political party—and sees the party she left behind as ‘immoral’ and ‘anti-American.’
The GOP ‘Has Become the Caricature the Left Always Said It Was’
Boycott the Republican Party
If conservatives want to save the GOP from itself, they need to vote mindlessly and mechanically against its nominees.
Jonathan RauchBenjamin Wittes March 2018
Wittes and Rauch: Boycott the Republican Party - The Atlantic
Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican
Opinion | Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican
How Roy Moore helped me leave the Republican Party and join the Democrats
For years I championed the Republican Party's political vision. But not anymore.
by Kurt Bardella / Dec.11.2017 / 3:34 PM ET / Updated Dec.11.2017 / 3:33 PM ET
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ve-republican-party-join-democrats-ncna828511
Joexit: Why Scarborough’s departure from the Republican Party is significant
Analysis | Joexit: Why Scarborough’s departure from the Republican Party is significant
Why I left the Republican Party to become a Democrat
Josh Barro
Oct. 16, 2016, 11:33 AM
Why I left the Republican Party to become a Democrat
There is a wave of Republicans leaving Congress, updated again
By Sam Petulla and Jennifer Hansler, CNN
Updated 4:38 PM ET, Tue June 5, 2018
There is a wave of Republicans leaving Congress - CNNPolitics

#walkawayfromtherepublicanparty

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I found this: A record-breaking 31 House Republicans won't seek re-election in 2018