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As a man... I end up paying for sex almost every time. If it's not cash up front then it's something else further down the line. The woman that enjoys sex for its own sake and can have it without turning it into some kind of twisted power game or feeling that she is somehow then owed something for her time is rare and ought to be celebrated.
Thats a great quote.

Girlfriends are the most expensive prostitutes. If it was legal to pay for sex, and it was treated like a profession with testing regs and such, this country would be more peaceful and happy. In Thailand, some of the girls carry around doctor certification cards for testing. When its your career, you have to be safe. And I have to say, the people in Thailand were, in general, far more laid back and happy than here in the US.
 

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My husband doesn't like me being dominant, so with him its pretty 50/50. With everyone else I'm very dominant. My ex gf loved nothing more than being wipped and tied up, I really miss her, but she moved away about 6 months ago for work :mad:

I can certainly relate to your ex gf's point of view. I'll be happoy to take her place!
 

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Thats a great quote.

Girlfriends are the most expensive prostitutes. If it was legal to pay for sex, and it was treated like a profession with testing regs and such, this country would be more peaceful and happy. In Thailand, some of the girls carry around doctor certification cards for testing. When its your career, you have to be safe. And I have to say, the people in Thailand were, in general, far more laid back and happy than here in the US.

Now... to go back and contradict myself.... I actually would be wary of hiring a prostitute in Thailand or India or South Africa. Places where child prostitution is common so many of these girls have been turning tricks since they were children and didn't really have full control over their own bodies, plus sex education is not as good, condom use not as prevalent, AIDS is rampant.... yeah... in those cases and in those areas I think the fear of STDs, which to an extent is unfounded in this country, is very much warranted.
 

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Oh I'd love to, I'm pretty sure my husband would support me in it too. I'd have to be one of the chains and whips and no sex types though. I'm more than happy to have guys get off on me whipping them and shit, but I'd never want sex with someone I didn't like.

I think if the client is truly submissive, sex would not even be necessary. Kind of goes with the whole domination idea.
 

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Oh I'd love to, I'm pretty sure my husband would support me in it too. I'd have to be one of the chains and whips and no sex types though. I'm more than happy to have guys get off on me whipping them and shit, but I'd never want sex with someone I didn't like.

Yeh..the dont like fancy situation that is not appealing to me too, I have to crave desire and choose..but I was reading some where, dont remember where... that there are couples and singles groups that meet in someplaces..and them by seeing them in actions you can choose the ones you fancy, connect and 'bam!"....:cool: hmmm... thats is very very hot situation, initialy vouyering (?dont know the name right) but its great start to meet and connect with persons...:wink:
 

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As a man... I end up paying for sex almost every time. If it's not cash up front then it's something else further down the line. The woman that enjoys sex for its own sake and can have it without turning it into some kind of twisted power game or feeling that she is somehow then owed something for her time is rare and ought to be celebrated.

A few specific thoughts on the issue

Professional sex workers are just that: professional. In general (there are exceptions, both individual and general by type) professional escorts will be clean, safe, and experienced. Most of them get checked out monthly, many of them don't even have boyfriends/girlfriends or casual sex, especially if they are working for an agency/brothel/massage parlor. Most of them use condoms every time, and then wash before and after. They won't get caught up in the heat of the moment and not feel like using one, they won't forget to bring one, they won't risk having unprotected sex with someone because they tell them that they're clean. How many "normal" guys or girls can you say that about? They know what they're doing and the good ones will do what they can to make whatever time you spend with them enjoyable so they can get repeat business. Though of course sex with a prostitute is riskier than, say, sex with someone you've been in a steady monogamous relationship with for a while who you've been to the clinic with to get tested together, it's also a whole lot safer than hooking up with some random person you meet at a bar or club or online whom you know virtually nothing about. Even the monogamous relationship thing is only safe if you can trust your partner to not cheat.

Snoozan brought up the fact that women can get sex for free pretty easily, and that's also true, and probably a big part of why female prostitutes are so much more prevalent than male ones. That, and females typically feel more strongly that they shouldn't have to pay for it, because as I outlined above, most of them imagine their coochies to be not so much a source of pleasure as it is some sort of valuable commodity to use for barter or manipulation. This disparity in sexual power level between men and women (with women adopting the role of givers and men adopting the role of seekers in sex), added to the inequity of economic viability between men and women, leads to the traditional scenario of a male John and a female prostitute. That it would occur to women to even want this (good sex with no strings attached) I think is probably a good thing, but at this point the necessity for a woman to spend money in this persuit is minimal. If you're an attractive woman and you ask any available guy (and most "unavailable" ones, too) if they will have sex with you no strings attached, odds are heavily in your favor that they will say yes. A guy doing the same thing to a woman will only get ignored, slapped, or kneed in the groin.

Bravo- Probably the most profound and prolific poster here at LPSG.ORG. In the nudist/swinging world there is a recreational outlet known as sport fucking between consenting couples. However, in 99% of the rest of the known world males are traditionally in the "buyer's market" and women are in the "seller's market." Whatever way this age old question is paraphrased the male ends up paying, overtly and lavishly when dating and later more philisophically through marital and prenuptial contracts. Seldom if ever in the social hierarchy do more affluent women marry noble but poverty stricken males except in the movies. In the real world men pay, one way or another, for sex.
 

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O.K. But most of Peckers are zany one-liners. You by contrast, NineInchCock_160IQ, usually have some posts that leave one to think. Er...perhaps that is why you have the 160 Intelligence Quotient while some of us have 60.:confused: :smashfreakB:
 

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Bravo- Probably the most profound and prolific poster here at LPSG.ORG. In the nudist/swinging world there is a recreational outlet known as sport fucking between consenting couples. However, in 99% of the rest of the known world males are traditionally in the "buyer's market" and women are in the "seller's market." Whatever way this age old question is paraphrased the male ends up paying, overtly and lavishly when dating and later more philisophically through marital and prenuptial contracts. Seldom if ever in the social hierarchy do more affluent women marry noble but poverty stricken males except in the movies. In the real world men pay, one way or another, for sex.

I feel compelled to point out that many women really love sex -- we are not exchanging it in return for something else -- we are sharing pleasure with a partner.

You make it sound like marriage is no fun for men and they only enter into the "philosophical" contract so they can get sex.

If you enter into a marriage with that attitude, you're stepping on your own dick. The woman will know and not only will she resent your attitude, she probably will stop wanting to have sex with you. You will think she is withholding because she wants something from you. The truth is, she is withholding because your lack of respect is a major turn-off.

Sorry to rant, but I have some friends in that situation, and their husbands just totally don't get it.
 

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I feel compelled to point out that many women really love sex -- we are not exchanging it in return for something else -- we are sharing pleasure with a partner.

You make it sound like marriage is no fun for men and they only enter into the "philosophical" contract so they can get sex.

If you enter into a marriage with that attitude, you're stepping on your own dick. The woman will know and not only will she resent your attitude, she probably will stop wanting to have sex with you. You will think she is withholding because she wants something from you. The truth is, she is withholding because your lack of respect is a major turn-off.

Sorry to rant, but I have some friends in that situation, and their husbands just totally don't get it.

I'd like to point out also in my post, which was being referenced here, I did say that there are women out there who enjoy sex for its own sake. They're just not the norm. I certainly appreciate all of the ones I meet.

As far as marriage goes... historically... that sort of is the reason why men entered into marriage. It was a property arrangement. Men were getting a sexual partner and the chance to create progeny out of the deal. Just one of many, many, many reasons why marriage in general is an outmoded concept.
 

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I'd like to point out also in my post, which was being referenced here, I did say that there are women out there who enjoy sex for its own sake. They're just not the norm. I certainly appreciate all of the ones I meet.

Yeah, I know. I was replying to thirteenbyseven. I realize you appreciate women (some of us, anyway.):smile:
 

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Yeah, I know. I was replying to thirteenbyseven. I realize you appreciate women (some of us, anyway.):smile:

Chrysalis, I am a happily married man (most days.) But for anyone who has gone to an attorney for a prenuptial, that is the most sobering experience a couple can go through before marriage. We didn't talk in the car all the way home. Perhaps I'll go out on a limb by saying women are by nature more romantic than men, and more idealitistic about the concept of marriage. A man with any degree of assets going into a marriage, is more pragmatic.

That was the genisis of the "philisophical" commment I made.
 

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I've heard this mentioned several times in this thread, and believe me, I know it's true. It used to be my hobby.

As a good-looking, horny teenage girl with long, blonde hair, I was actually appalled at how easy men were. Girlfriend or not, way older than me or not, even gay!

But here's the problem with the scenario: The vast majority of the sex was not good sex.

So I think the fact that women can get sex for free isn't the best reason for them not to pay for it.

Even though I would not pay for sex, I wouldn't pick a random guy either, because in all likelihood, he would leave me dissatisfied.

In a long-term relationship, if a man cares about pleasing a woman, he can learn what she likes (and vice versa). Otherwise, it's luck of the draw.

I suppose this would be one advantage to a paying a professional -- he would know what the hell he was doing.:biggrin1:


Thank you Chrysalis...that is exactly the point. It isn't just sex being paid for it is good, even great sex and the attention, tenderness, passion or intimacy the the lady wants or requires. It would be companionship with out the complications for those who do not want them. Not for everone but I think good for some.
 

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I refuse to pay for sex... if i have sex, its because a chick likes me... i'd hope (and believe) most women think in the same manner, it's just too dangerous and not sure if i could enjoy fucking a women knowing she is only doing it to make £100 so she can pay her bills and buy some new shoes!!
 

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Chrysalis, I am a happily married man (most days.) But for anyone who has gone to an attorney for a prenuptial, that is the most sobering experience a couple can go through before marriage. We didn't talk in the car all the way home. Perhaps I'll go out on a limb by saying women are by nature more romantic than men, and more idealitistic about the concept of marriage. A man with any degree of assets going into a marriage, is more pragmatic.

That was the genisis of the "philisophical" commment I made.

I see what you're saying. Neither my husband nor I had any significant assets going into the marriage, and I have never experienced a pre-nup.

Glad to hear you're happily married most days -- that's more than some people can say.:smile:
 

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Chrysalis, I am a happily married man (most days.) But for anyone who has gone to an attorney for a prenuptial, that is the most sobering experience a couple can go through before marriage. We didn't talk in the car all the way home. Perhaps I'll go out on a limb by saying women are by nature more romantic than men, and more idealitistic about the concept of marriage. A man with any degree of assets going into a marriage, is more pragmatic.

That was the genisis of the "philisophical" commment I made.

Several studies have demonstrated that contrary to popular belief, the opposite is actually true. Men are quicker to fall in love, have more romantic and less practical notions of love and marriage, and approach developing relationships with new partners without thinking as much about overall compatibility, viability of the relationship in the long-term, and other practical concerns.
 

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Several studies have demonstrated that contrary to popular belief, the opposite is actually true. Men are quicker to fall in love, have more romantic and less practical notions of love and marriage, and approach developing relationships with new partners without thinking as much about overall compatibility, viability of the relationship in the long-term, and other practical concerns.


interesting.. i guess i must be a cold fish.. i've always found women become more serious far faster than myself. I'm the one which walks away from a relationship quietly and moves on while the girls become shirt, angry, cry and phoone me months after we have split just to tell me i'm selfish.
 

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interesting.. i guess i must be a cold fish.. i've always found women become more serious far faster than myself. I'm the one which walks away from a relationship quietly and moves on while the girls become shirt, angry, cry and phoone me months after we have split just to tell me i'm selfish.

This may come down to an issue of semantics. How does one define "romantic" anyway? "Getting serious" as you put it could be something like thinking more seriously about long-term commitment and realistically assessing the strengths and/or value of the relationship. This could be described as women being more pragmatic. Or serious to you could mean that you think they fall in love more easily... but in that case... you'd have to define what you meant by love. Some would argue that men might like a girl more quickly but that they often confuse lust with love.

Ultimately, love, romance, and commitment are all largely self-defined and relative to the individual, as is the concept of "getting serious." This makes discussing relative amounts of these things, in either quantitative or qualitative terms, problematic at best. I imagine good arguments could be made either way.