"having your picture taken, without permission"

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Curtis: Here is the fourth amendment, just so you all can say you actually read it:

"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized."

Now, let's remember a few things:

1) When this was written, photography as we know it did not exist.

2) The internet sure as hell didn't exist.

3) Public swimming as we know it didn't exist, let alone anything like a nude beach.

So how do we interpret the spirit and intent of this amendment with regard to photography in public without the subject's consent? That's difficult. But it's apparent to me that our founding fathers were more worried about the government raiding their houses and their bank accounts without cause than about the world finding out what their dicks looked like.

Curtis

 

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FieldRatt9: In July this year while laying out at 222 beach in Santa Cruz we noticed some guy with a camera. Nowhere to hide so we posed some then turned our backs. One of the guys on the beach got pissed and threw some rocks at him. Long story short...cops showed up. Cited the rock slinger for assault and informed us that although nudity is tolerated at 222 beach because of it proximity to a public sidewalk "privacy" was null and void. Picture taking without permission is between the "model" and the photographer. If the pics are going to be sold then written permission is needed from the "model".

 

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norseman: I've spent a fair amount of time on a family oriented clothing optional beach on the East Coast (of the US for all of our Euro friends). Cameras are a real "no no". If its clear that you're taking pics of friends and family, its no big deal, but camera wielding textile types are regularly challenged (surrounded !!) by several of the guys and educated as to clothing optional etiquette. I've never seen it come to blows, but a bunch of big naked guys can be pretty intimidating to the average tourista.

 

[jonb]

@norseman:
Of course. If cameras were allowed, it'd provide a new means of getting kiddie porn. Children's advocacy groups have always feared that about clothing-optional recreation; some of the sleazier resorts tend to attract pedophiles.

 

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Donk: [quote author=Curtis link=board=meetgreet;num=1039999832;start=15#20 date=12/17/02 at 20:43:23]
So how do we interpret the spirit and intent of this amendment with regard to photography in public without the subject's consent?  That's difficult.[/quote]

Actually, the Supreme Court has found it to be quite simple. If you are in a public place where you could expect anyone passing by to be able to see you with the naked eye, you have no constitutional right not to be photographed. (There may be a more difficult case where, for example, an infrared camera could photograph body parts through your clothes. When you are wearing clothes, you have a privacy expectation to keep your body covered.)

Anyway, the 4th Amendment only protects you from government action, for example, if the cops spy on you. You do not have a constitutional lawsuit against a private citizen who violates your privacy. (But you might have another type of lawsuit, depending on the facts involved.)

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

If you want to snap a photo of when when I'm naked, ask me; I guarantee you'll get a better picture!

 

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hunter4vws:
I get the deal with the privacy thing an on a nude beach yada yada, but really, your there on a nude beach in all your glory!! an some guy you dont know snaps a kodak of your friend down south, yeah I bothered by it, I dont know this person, or his intention with this pic, (if its home to j/o an just for personal use fine) but I sure as hell dont want him going home an posting it on the internet, or claiming it was his lastest trick! I think that would bother me.
but Im at the beach too showing my gift!! I will take it a a compliment he saw it nice enough to take a picture of it an me I hope!!
My boyfriend on the otherhand will probly walk over pull the camera an yank the film. I have to play hell to get him naked in the shower!! imagine the nude beach!!! :
He is very modest, I am very open.

 

[jonb]

And once it's on one site, it's on every site.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

[quote author=jonb link=board=meetgreet;num=1039999832;start=15#27 date=01/01/03 at 08:57:34]And once it's on one site, it's on every site.[/quote]

Let me hear the congregation say "Amen! to that one!

 

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norseman: [quote author=hunter4vws link=board=meetgreet;num=1039999832;start=15#26 date=01/01/03 at 06:46:27]
I get the deal with the privacy thing Êan on a nude beach yada yada..
but Im at the beach too showing my gift!! I will take it a a compliment he saw it nice enough to take a picture of it an me I hope!! [/quote]

Hey Hunter, it's clear there's a different "beach" attitude at work here. I don't go to a clothing optional beach to "be seen". I go there because I like swimming and sunning naked at the beach and enjoy hanging out (optional pun) with like minded people. Taking that nudity out of context may be legal, but its otherwise rude and inappropriate. I don't want to be, nor do I choose to be, nude on your computer screen or anywhere other than on that beach. That's why the beach etiquette is "encouraged" by so many at my favorite beach. Again, the beach I relax at is very family oriented. Naked moms and dads and children as well as couples and singles all feel safe there.

 

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ace420: I too have had pictures taken. I really hate it.

 

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a2largedick: My picture being taken while wearing a speedo has happened many times. Most people seem to think I am not aware of it. Three tricks are used often by candid photographers: 1) If the photographer is with others he/she will ask one ore more of them to pose in such a way that I am am in the background. And then zoom in on me. 2) When I am walking he/she will point the camera not straight in my direction but to a point I will cross a little later and just wait for the right moment. 3) 1&2.

I do not mind the taking of pics as such. If is it just for their own use or to show to friends or family I too take that as a compliment. (Although I am aware that not everyone means it that way.) It worries me though what might happen if people would put stuff on the net. For that reason I turn my face usually in the other direction when I see a camera pointed. I have checked out some sites which are devoted to such pics, but have not encountered myself yet.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

I agree that the purpose for the pictures does make a difference. People take pictures of me when I dance, and I don't mind it since it's for their own viewing. If the photos are intended for publication, that's a different story. I'd want to be paid for their use, and I'd like a say on how and where they are used. For example, I wouldn't mind appearing in a coffee table book about well-hung exotic dancers, illustrated with good quality photos; that'd be fine. However, something like a big cock scratch'n'sniff book ... well, that'd be a bad idea, and I'd have to decline!

 

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Finedessert: "big cock scratch'n'sniff book"

Don't think that's been done yet, maybe you've open up a whole new idea, lots of sniffers out there ya know.

Make some pussy sniffing ones also.

Put them side by side in the Adult Book Stores.

Grandpa

 

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thepress83: It's funny that this topic should come up, about 3 years ago a few friends of mine (both male and female) decided to go to a secluded section of a public beach which is known as being the unofficial nude section, it takes about 1/2 hour of walking through bush to get there but its a great part of the beach with pretty warm water. Anyways the group of friends I was with varied in age from 15-17. At the time I was 16, anyways we all stripped down and started sunbathing, and some of us went swimming no big deal I had seen all the guys naked before they were all pretty big, 4-5" soft, just a bit smaller than me. Anyways after we had been there for maybe an hour and a half, I saw a small group (3-4) guys in their twenties staring and pointing at me, I assumed they were looking at the girls I was with and went over to ask them to be a bit more discreet as it was making them uncomfortable. When I started talkin to em, they commented on the size of my cock (I had started to get around and was hanging maybe 6.5") and they told me they were wondering about my erect size not the girls I was with. That was my first nude beach experience and I've had quite a few since then I really wouldn't mind someone taking my nude picture on the beach, however, I would never take someone else's pic without their permission, and I would expect someone to ask me before they took mine but if they didn't it wouldn't be a big deal to me. Although if I saw someone making $$ off em then I'd be pissed he he he
Press

 

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bigmike11: I go to the nude beach here in Toronto, and I've never had a problem with pictures being taken there, though I've had stares. Usually when I go swimming I wear baggy trunks, not because I'm shy, but because having women stare at me gets really tiresome... Guys I don't mind so much though But even though I'm proud of being hung, sometimes I don't want to be looked at as a curiosity or a freak. Sometimes you just want to take a vacation, you know?

I've had people try to take pictures of me when they thought i wasn't looking. I get a lot of guys doing it with digital cameras because they don't have to look through the viewfinder... they just pretend like they're fiddling with the camera, and then take a picture. You can't tell for sure, but it's usually pretty obvious. Sometimes I don't mind, and even try to make sure they get a good view. It depends on how cute they are

 

[txquis]

i have only been to one nude beach and dont recall anyone with cameras...that i noticed.
But, speaking of pics...the previous posts are right: if there are pics somewhere, and they get posted once...that's it.
My ex and i used to play with his webcam and two years later i saw myself all over yahoo. (you never think you will break up with that person and the pics will end up out of your hands...)
i know that other guys here have had similar experiences.

 

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getnbiggr: Well, this thread has been quiet for a while, but I thought I'd add my experience.

I'm not huge. Only 7.5x6" uncut, but since I'm 6'3" most people presume (fairly correctly) that I've got a big dick. And this became very clear one night at a gay bar in my old home town.

Some 19 year old kid came up to me, very nervous, and was stammering trying to say something. Now I remember being young and super-nervous, and so I just encouraged him to say what he had to say, etc etc... Trying to be the benevolent 30something gay man.

But when he finally got it out, he said: "So, I saw you from across the bar and thought 'My god, that guy is tall. He's so tall, I bet he has a huge dick.'"

Heh... at this point I was a little surprised, but not too. But then he went on.

"So, I was wondering. I've got a camera here... can I take a picture of your dick?"

Heh heh... I was pretty much taken aback and sent him on his way: politely, but firmly. Now, if I weren't out with friends, and/or if I were 11x7 like some of you guys here, maybe I'd have said yes. But as it was I said no.

Just goes to show that some people do ask permission first.

- getnbiggr in NYC

 

[txquis]

I'm not huge. Only 7.5x6" uncut, but since I'm 6'3" most people presume (fairly correctly) that I've got a big dick

Man, still sounds big to me...i guess we've established here that there are degrees of "big", which is cool.....

I was honestly under the impression i was big until i started reading LSPG....now i find that it is totally relative. Maybe i will start the "fairly large penis support group", (kidding)

 

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getnbiggr: [quote author=txqis link=board=meetgreet;num=1039999832;start=30#38 date=03/16/03 at 09:02:22]

I was honestly under the impression i was big until i started reading LSPG....now i find that it is totally relative.    Maybe i will start the "fairly large penis support group",   (kidding)[/quote]

Heh heh... I like that idea. At 7.5x6" uc, I"m never quite big enough for most of the "hung" groups out there, a lot of which require a minimum of 8". Ah well. Maybe we should start a girth-group. ;D