He Grabbed Her Breast....she Cried Out In Pain

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Plácido Domingo faces new sexual harassment reports, and pressure on L.A. Opera grows

Lately the atmosphere inside the usually calm, "placid" and even stuffy world of L.A. Opera at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion has become decidedly turbulent, ever since more and more women have come forward with their #me too stories with world-renowned Placido Domingo. A vast majority of these tales of the Spaniard's wanton lust took place several (or more) decades ago, when the converted baritone-turned-tenor could hit a high C natural more easily without sounding like a tortured man who had just pinched his private parts on a zipper. Today Domingo is 78 years of age, a general manager of the L.A. Opera, and even attired in sartorial splendor in the orchestra pit doesn't look like much of a babe magnet. What to do?

All of us in 2019 must dutifully pledge allegiance to all these sopranos and women associated in various capacities at opera companies both here and abroad, every female with the moves of an NFL running back who managed to escape unscathed from the bazoom-grabbing lecher of the opera. However as one who was dragged as a child to every damn opera that my family could ferret-out in Los Angeles and Cleveland, it comes as a mild surprise to me that Placido Domingo would even pursue most of the on-stage talent. Sorry, but it's true!

Puccini, Verdi, Wagner-- named the composer and opera being presented at a town near you and most likely there will be the most hilariously dichotomous cast of characters on-stage. In the audience, I've had to bite my tongue many times watching a five-foot tall Sicilian Cavaradossi in massive platform shoes professing his undying love to a soprano that outweighed most of the players on the USC Trojan football team. Sadly, sopranos are not built like SI Swimsuit models. Years ago soprano Deborah Voigt was canned from singing at Covent Garden in London when her gross weight approached that of a Boeing 737. In-fact, searching my cro-magnon, chauvinistic male mind I can't think of any smoking-hot, erection-inducing soprano worth losing one's reputation and bank account over. Well maybe Renee Fleming twenty-five years ago.

I say Placido Domingo should try for an insanity defense. What do the women here at LPSG opine?
 
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It doesn’t matter whether or not the soprano is svelte or not, it matters what happened to her.

It takes a long time for women to come forward, especially when it’s against a man in power. It’s humiliating to be the one making the accusations. The powerful man will always be surrounded by supporters. And of course, the matter of time. If it was so bad, why take so long to speak up? It’s the nature of sexual assault/harassment. One does not want to accept that it has happened to them. One wants to bury it, forget it, make life seems normal again. It takes a long time to even acknowledge how horrific the event was. To even think about it again. And then one must expose themselves to ridicule and disbelief. So much easier if another woman goes first and leads the way.

I doubt anything will happen to Plácido. Something should, but little will.
 
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It doesn’t matter whether or not the soprano is svelte or not, it matters what happened to her.

It takes a long time for women to come forward, especially when it’s against a man in power. It’s humiliating to be the one making the accusations. The powerful man will always be surrounded by supporters. And of course, the matter of time. If it was so bad, why take so long to speak up? It’s the nature of sexual assault/harassment. One does not want to accept that it has happened to them. One wants to bury it, forget it, make life seems normal again. It takes a long time to even acknowledge how horrific the event was. To even think about it again. And then one must expose themselves to ridicule and disbelief. So much easier if another woman goes first and leads the way.

I doubt anything will happen to Plácido. Something should, but little will.

There is a well established pattern here; a famous person is accused of impropriety and soon a host of others join in the accusations. I'm inclined to believe the accusations simply because a whole LOT of people in powerful/famous positions use them to get away with sexual misconduct (see Cosby, Sandusky, Bryant, Trump, et al).

When we first hear of it, you can be assured it has been happening for a long time, and only now has either someone gained the courage, or the perpetrator is no longer influential enough to cover it up. Famous and powerful people tend to be surrounded by sycophantic yes men who cater to their every whim, treating them like royalty. These human remoras are very protective of their famous masters, fearing the loss of their coveted, cushy job, so their accusers risk harassment and threats from the star and/or his parasitic flunkies. Some of the more strident accusers may even find their names dragged through the mud in retaliation.

We may find this is merely the tip of a very foul and pernicious iceberg before this is over.
 

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His word means nothing. Their word means nothing. Scientific evidence means everything. Can they provide evidence that he did what they claim?

You can just keep it moving muhfucker.

No one here is interested in your victim dismissing rhetoric.
 
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It would be legal evidence, not necessarily forensic evidence.
And one’s word has weight in court.

True. I was fantasizing about a world based on reason and logic instead of emotion.
 
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You can just keep it moving muhfucker.

No one here is interested in your victim dismissing rhetoric.

I never said he didn't do it. I just pointed out that if one thinks as a scientist, then he or she must remain agnostic without physical evidence.
 

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His word means nothing. Their word means nothing. Scientific evidence means everything. Can they provide evidence that he did what they claim?
What, pray tell, would qualify as evidence for a groping, if not people’s word, given any bruises are long healed?
 

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I never said he didn't do it. I just pointed out that if one thinks as a scientist, then he or she must remain agnostic without physical evidence.

And if one thinks like, ya know, not a fucking idiot...

Most cases get dismissed. Why would victims bother coming forward? They get shamed, they get questioned just as hard as the accused offender. You know why they get dismissed? Because of the shit you're spewing right the fuck now.

Again: no one is interested in your dismissive rhetoric. Buh-bye now.
 
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What, pray tell, would qualify as evidence for a groping, if not people’s word, given any bruises are long healed?

Nothing. That is precisely why these cases should be dismissed.
 

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Insanity defense? Do you think you're funny or something?

To be blunt as fuck, I am so tired of seeing you post threads in this section.

There's an obvious fucking pattern.


And to think Tight_N_Juicy, I wrote this as my primeval, Neanderthal knuckles were dragging on the ground! :p

Initially when the Placido Domingo-is-a-perv story first broke, a few in the media attempted to sneak insider's knowlwdge passed 99% of the population fortunate enough not to have ventured anywhere near an opera performance. On ABC News, after soprano Angela Turner Wilson gave her account of the tenor sticking his hand deftly beneath her robe, under her bra and to the mammary promised land, they immediately cut-away to Domingo singing E lucevan le stelle from the third act in Tosca. Moreover it was right when the lyrics were O! dolci baci, o languide carezze (oh tender kisses, sweet caresses). Angela Wilson sure didn't think Placido Domingo's hand on her boobs were of the caress variety.

Note: The aria is supposed to be sung with bittersweet sorrow dripping from the tenor's voice. In the opera things have gone to hell with Floria Tosca, but Placido Domingo could very well sing this with thoughts of impending sexual harassment lawsuits.

 
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For those who may be interested: A thirty-something Placido Domingo singing Recondita Armonia way back in the first act of Tosca when his testosterone hg/dL level was much higher and love was in the air.

Cavaradossi, a painter, is admiring a bare-breasted painting he's just finished of Mary Magdalene for the local church. The painting itself has a decidedly more paint-by-numbers look rather than suggesting any Mona Lisa-like quality and the breasts are more drooping than optimally teardrop shaped, but I digress. At that moment Cavaradossi takes-out a small painting of Floria Tosca and begins comparing the attributes of the two woman before deciding that Tosca's smoldering looks gives him the largest, firmest erections. With a full orchestra string section soaring, he belts out Ah! il mio sol pensier sei tu! Tosca, sei tu! -- my only thoughts are of you. Big mistake.
 

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Nothing. That is precisely why these cases should be dismissed.
So, let’s say you are in a new job, and a person gropes and fondles you, and there’s the feeling that this person holds sway over your position, and if you keep your job.
Should your concerns be dismissed because you have no proof?
Or should someone suss out the truth?