He is Here Pope Benedict XV1
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madame_zora
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I came to this thread to try to glean a little information about the new pope and came up with very little info on the man though I read all 3 pages.
I am a Christian, but not a Catholic. In my view this nullifies any opinion I have of the man. He was elected to lead the Catholics, not to represent me or my views. To say that the opinion of the people who are not Catholics should be taken into account when electing the new pope would be similar to saying that the people of Iraq should be consulted when electing a new American president. While the new popeâs views may indirectly affect world policy, and therefore our lives; the policies of America affect almost everybody on the globe (particularly Iraqiâs) and yet very few people would suggest Americans listen to the voices of the Iraqi people during an election.
This is not to say that people are not entitled to their opinions- just that they need to realize that unless they are Catholic their opinions cannot matter when considering John Paulâs successor.
I am a Christian, but not a Catholic. In my view this nullifies any opinion I have of the man. He was elected to lead the Catholics, not to represent me or my views. To say that the opinion of the people who are not Catholics should be taken into account when electing the new pope would be similar to saying that the people of Iraq should be consulted when electing a new American president. While the new popeâs views may indirectly affect world policy, and therefore our lives; the policies of America affect almost everybody on the globe (particularly Iraqiâs) and yet very few people would suggest Americans listen to the voices of the Iraqi people during an election.
This is not to say that people are not entitled to their opinions- just that they need to realize that unless they are Catholic their opinions cannot matter when considering John Paulâs successor.
I don't buy your argument at all; you're using ad hominem against yourself!
An informed, well-reasoned opinion is just as strong coming from a non-catholic. It's true that you have no vote in choosing the new Pope Daddy (but then again, neither do most Catholics). Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's; don't put it down.
Ok,
This has really become a shameful exercise to say the least. I am having deja vu creating this post, but I started this thread to merely announce the name of the new leader of the Catholic Church. It has become painfully aware to me that this subject is soooo fraught with controversy that I know there will never be a real consensus.
I have been quiet on the board but have expressed my feelings about this particular thread as well as the previous one which I posted at the time of John Paul II' s last rites to friends . I realize that there are a great number of gay members of the board who do not agree with the Church's stance on homosexuality, I also know that there are many who unfortunately have either themselves or with family members experienced the trauma of childhood sexual abuse at the hand of clergy. On this occasion the topic of possible Nazism in the current Pontiff's past. These emotions run deep and are legit. There are no easy answers. But I do know that making incindiary blanket statements regarding the faiths of others is definitely not the way to deal with it.
To tell the truth, there are activities that we all engage in on a daily basis that are not condoned by the church. Being here on this board for example we can all give an "Amen" to that!
I think the problem that is most critical here however is the way in which we are addressing one another when discussing such sensitive topics. There have been a number of members who have weighed in on both topics attempting to interject voices of reason each bringing their own unique perspectives and knowledge of the individuals involved. Thank you . Having been involved in the first issue I tried to take that information into consideration when crafting my responses to some rather disturbing comments that were being addressed to me and about me. Unfortunately, I see it happening again all too soon and on the same subject.
Bad behavior is bad behavior. When it goes unchecked it doesnt get better it only grows more odious. This time, I wasnt the person who was involved in the discussion but some of the same problems are arising. Perhaps in the future if someone disagrees so vehemently about something that has been said it might be most prudent to take the more heated discussion off board. This way , others are not subjected to language or behavior that continues to inflame or cause members to feel the need to take sides or to defend their friends.
In addition, if we are going to engage in heated discussion we need to make sure that our infomation is correct. I have seen too many responses here borne out of emotion rather than fact and there is never a winner in these cases. Even though both individuals involved in this discussion are some of the younger members of our board, if we are going to be on an adult board we need to behave in an adult fashion. That means mutual respect is paramount. We know that there are individuals with whom we may never agree but something is truly wrong when we are reduced to a cyber playground brawl over the election of a new Pope!
I think it is time for me to end this post but I wanted to say this . I hope that it will serve us all well in the future but this can not be achieved by either cottling rudeness, fighting in a public forum, interjecting ourselves unconstructively into the disagreements of others, or attacking our fellow members because they have opinions, faiths , or lifestyles not our own.
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This has really become a shameful exercise to say the least. I am having deja vu creating this post, but I started this thread to merely announce the name of the new leader of the Catholic Church. It has become painfully aware to me that this subject is soooo fraught with controversy that I know there will never be a real consensus.
I have been quiet on the board but have expressed my feelings about this particular thread as well as the previous one which I posted at the time of John Paul II' s last rites to friends . I realize that there are a great number of gay members of the board who do not agree with the Church's stance on homosexuality, I also know that there are many who unfortunately have either themselves or with family members experienced the trauma of childhood sexual abuse at the hand of clergy. On this occasion the topic of possible Nazism in the current Pontiff's past. These emotions run deep and are legit. There are no easy answers. But I do know that making incindiary blanket statements regarding the faiths of others is definitely not the way to deal with it.
To tell the truth, there are activities that we all engage in on a daily basis that are not condoned by the church. Being here on this board for example we can all give an "Amen" to that!
I think the problem that is most critical here however is the way in which we are addressing one another when discussing such sensitive topics. There have been a number of members who have weighed in on both topics attempting to interject voices of reason each bringing their own unique perspectives and knowledge of the individuals involved. Thank you . Having been involved in the first issue I tried to take that information into consideration when crafting my responses to some rather disturbing comments that were being addressed to me and about me. Unfortunately, I see it happening again all too soon and on the same subject.
Bad behavior is bad behavior. When it goes unchecked it doesnt get better it only grows more odious. This time, I wasnt the person who was involved in the discussion but some of the same problems are arising. Perhaps in the future if someone disagrees so vehemently about something that has been said it might be most prudent to take the more heated discussion off board. This way , others are not subjected to language or behavior that continues to inflame or cause members to feel the need to take sides or to defend their friends.
In addition, if we are going to engage in heated discussion we need to make sure that our infomation is correct. I have seen too many responses here borne out of emotion rather than fact and there is never a winner in these cases. Even though both individuals involved in this discussion are some of the younger members of our board, if we are going to be on an adult board we need to behave in an adult fashion. That means mutual respect is paramount. We know that there are individuals with whom we may never agree but something is truly wrong when we are reduced to a cyber playground brawl over the election of a new Pope!
I think it is time for me to end this post but I wanted to say this . I hope that it will serve us all well in the future but this can not be achieved by either cottling rudeness, fighting in a public forum, interjecting ourselves unconstructively into the disagreements of others, or attacking our fellow members because they have opinions, faiths , or lifestyles not our own.
Naughty
I mourn the loss of a human life, and respect a person with strong convictions to his BELIEFS. However, I find the position held by JPII, and moreso his successor, to be abhorrant. No, Benedict XVI was not a Nazi. He is old and won't be pope for 25 years. The church does not change quickly. But this new pope intends to pick up where JPII left off, and with a vengeance. Consider this: The Nazi party, under Hitler, was determined to expand Germany throughout Europe and into Asia, and also to directly rid Germany of the root of all its evils, namely "Juden, Schwarzen, und Weichlingen" (Jews, dark-skins, and queers.) JPII during his reign, and especially now BXVI, attempt through the church and their followers woldwide to oppress evil, namely queers and any who would/should use condoms or contraceptives, and to keep women in a subservient role both in the church and in the family. Similar agenda, similar targets, different but chillingly similar methods. No wonder GWB had such high praise for Benny XVI, even though he didn't understand a word that was said.
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All right, Nelson, surferboy, both of you calm down right now!
You two ladies are behaving like screeching little bitches I deal with at work, both customers and associates alike, and quite frankly, I don't need, no check that, want to review posts like that when we're supposed to be talking about a new religious leader. Now knock it off!!
Now that my bp's through the moon, let's review about Pope Benedict XVI so I might get a little more informed. I had heard this morn on CNN about his time in Nazi Germany, but formed no opinion until I got all the facts. So, it was a surprise that he was in a Nazi organization, but as I learned from this topic he was an unwilling participant, my input became more lucid.
You two ladies are behaving like screeching little bitches I deal with at work, both customers and associates alike, and quite frankly, I don't need, no check that, want to review posts like that when we're supposed to be talking about a new religious leader. Now knock it off!!
Now that my bp's through the moon, let's review about Pope Benedict XVI so I might get a little more informed. I had heard this morn on CNN about his time in Nazi Germany, but formed no opinion until I got all the facts. So, it was a surprise that he was in a Nazi organization, but as I learned from this topic he was an unwilling participant, my input became more lucid.
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You did not just compare me to a bitch, did ya? 
As for Pope Palpatine, there is no such thing as "unwilling". There's "giving in," no being "unwilling". I've said this to a lot of my friends, if I were a teen, or even an adult in Nazi Germany, I'd rather die than to serve Hitler. I mean, they had to know what was up when all of their Jewish, Gypsy, Gay, etc friend started to disappear, right?
On a side not, I'm a gay half-Jewish gypsy
As for Pope Palpatine, there is no such thing as "unwilling". There's "giving in," no being "unwilling". I've said this to a lot of my friends, if I were a teen, or even an adult in Nazi Germany, I'd rather die than to serve Hitler. I mean, they had to know what was up when all of their Jewish, Gypsy, Gay, etc friend started to disappear, right?
On a side not, I'm a gay half-Jewish gypsy
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Given the juvenile behavior of both you and Nelson, what did you think I meant--- that you would hump anything with a heartbeat, or in your case a hard-on?
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DMW, baby, thank you so much for that information. You are enlightening as always. Your quote answers so many debates that go on here.
Naughty, I totally agree with you. I think it is horrible that a celebration of the new Pope has been turned into a childish quarrel. I am not Catholic but I do indeed come from strong Catholic roots and I have learned a great deal about the Roman Catholic Church since becoming a member here. It has sparked an interest and it makes me want to learn more about a part of where I come from and my families past.
As far as a clique goes, I can't say that I really feel that there is one. Yes, of course there is a group of us that visit as often as we can and we state our opinions and laugh and cry and have a lot of fun. I feel that we have a mutual respect for one another and we are a support group for one another as well. It's called friendship. Hell, there are regular posters on this board with whom I have never shared an email or PM with but I respect them and what they have to say. I am sorry if anyone feels there is a clique here and that they are not welcome because that certainly is not the case. Remember, respect is something that you earn.
In a way, I find it sickly humourous that this silly arguing is going on. The Pope said this very morning that he wanted to unify all Christians. Learning that people have different opinions and beliefs and accepting them even though you may not agree with them is what makes us better people. I seriously hope that a great deal of good will come from the new Pope.
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First off, I think a lot of that got blown out of proportion earlier on, but thanks to Skai for the "reality check" and bringing people back down to where the thread should be at Also, Naughty I really enjoyed your comments, very well spoken.
Overall, I'm not a very religious person and I'll admit to that now. I'm also fairly young only being 21, and my generation has never seen a change in popes. To me this will be an interesting affair, and things might actually come out of Rome that will break news besides how health the Pope is and how soon he might die. While I would like to see someone in the position who would be more tolerant towards homosexuals or a person who had absolutely no connection with the Nazi party (especially immediately following a Pope from Poland), these are just my views. Each person is entitled to their own view and would always see it as a good thing if a person with those same views were the Pope, but not everyone can always be happy. For now, I'm willing to sit back and see what happens with the papacy.
Also, Naughty I really enjoyed your comments, very well spoken.Overall, I'm not a very religious person and I'll admit to that now. I'm also fairly young only being 21, and my generation has never seen a change in popes. To me this will be an interesting affair, and things might actually come out of Rome that will break news besides how health the Pope is and how soon he might die. While I would like to see someone in the position who would be more tolerant towards homosexuals or a person who had absolutely no connection with the Nazi party (especially immediately following a Pope from Poland), these are just my views. Each person is entitled to their own view and would always see it as a good thing if a person with those same views were the Pope, but not everyone can always be happy. For now, I'm willing to sit back and see what happens with the papacy.
I agree that an informed, well-reasoned opinion is just as strong coming from a non-catholic- but not when it comes down to actually choosing the man who will lead the Catholics. Everybody is entitled to their opinions and each one matters. Your opinion and mine are every bit as valid as a Catholics (or for which matter a Satanistâs) opinion when discussing what we think of the new pope. However, our opinions cannot be taken into account when they choose a new pope. To take your opinion and mine into account- no matter how informed or âenlightenedâ we may be when choosing a new pope would not give the Catholics a leader of their faith, (which is what he is supposed to be) but rather a man who would lead them down the same road the rest of the world, which, unless I am mistaken, is not what any faith wants for themselves.
You make a good point that most Catholics do not have a direct voice in who is elected pope- but it is the Catholics who ultimately will support the man or not. I would suppose that the office of pope is similar to the CEO of a company- you are responsible to the stakeholders- not society in general, and it is the stakeholders who must support you- not society in general; therefore when choosing the new CEO it is the opinions of the stakeholders that you must listen to- not society in general.
clownboots19:
Altairion, you aren't waiting to find a Pope or catholic church more accepting of your own views before you become a little more religious are you?
Altairion, you aren't waiting to find a Pope or catholic church more accepting of your own views before you become a little more religious are you?
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From a arse licking little toad like you, I will take that as a complement.
You know nothing about being a Catholic obviously and sound like the diddy you are, go read DMW's post.
Oh and its arsehole, at least get it right, which is something I'd rather be, than a foot-pad like you.
Jeep I like you, your a good guy but if you dont think there a clique on here you are living in cloud cookoo land I'm afraid.
Anyway, I've said my goodbye's last night to those I've spoken to on here. As I said to you, the best of luck for the future, I know a few of you are thinking of drifting away from here too, and whatever you do, just stay the people you always are. Take care!!
"Far an taine 'n abhainn, 's ann as mo a fuaim"
Is minig a bha an fhirinn searbh ri h-innse.
Beannachd leibh!!!
From a arse licking little toad like you, I will take that as a complement.
You know nothing about being a Catholic obviously and sound like the diddy you are, go read DMW's post.
Oh and its arsehole, at least get it right, which is something I'd rather be, than a foot-pad like you.
Jeep I like you, your a good guy but if you dont think there a clique on here you are living in cloud cookoo land I'm afraid.
Anyway, I've said my goodbye's last night to those I've spoken to on here. As I said to you, the best of luck for the future, I know a few of you are thinking of drifting away from here too, and whatever you do, just stay the people you always are. Take care!!
"Far an taine 'n abhainn, 's ann as mo a fuaim"
Is minig a bha an fhirinn searbh ri h-innse.
Beannachd leibh!!!
"I don't give a shit."
"Oh an even bigger surpise, you bein a fuckin prick."
Watch who you call 'negative', man.
Personally, I think you've both brought up excellent points, but the way you've (both) behaved has overshadowed them. May I respectfully suggest we put this thread on hiatus for 30 days, then return to evaluate his first month in office? By then, we should be able to discuss what he is actually doing as pope instead of merely speculating on things like what he might do, or how his Nazi background might influence his papacy today.
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Right or wrong, good or bad. Pope John Paul II was highly revered. Some of my Catholic friends tell me that changes need to be made. John Paul did some wonderful things. NOw it is time to move the church into the 21 century. Here is the deal in Protestant Churches: The next pastor in a church to follow a "saint" and revered man like John Paul is nearly always bcomes an interim, not being ablet to make any chages.
I think Benedict was selected for that reason. The Cardinals from Africa or Latin America can't follow a man like John Paul II. No, there needs to be a smart, articulate, man who can just keep things together and let the church find its way and then in 5 to 10 years a new vibrant thrird world pope can come in and modernize the church. But they couldn't pull it off now.
Benedict is a interim Pope that hopefully will bridge the gap between two great Popes.
And I thank Jacinto for givng the exact quote of the Catholic Church on homosexuality. It is the same for most liturgical mainline churches as well.
I wish the new Pope well. He may streamline the organization of the church. And he has really been second in command for over 20 years. So a lot may not change.
I think Benedict was selected for that reason. The Cardinals from Africa or Latin America can't follow a man like John Paul II. No, there needs to be a smart, articulate, man who can just keep things together and let the church find its way and then in 5 to 10 years a new vibrant thrird world pope can come in and modernize the church. But they couldn't pull it off now.
Benedict is a interim Pope that hopefully will bridge the gap between two great Popes.
And I thank Jacinto for givng the exact quote of the Catholic Church on homosexuality. It is the same for most liturgical mainline churches as well.
I wish the new Pope well. He may streamline the organization of the church. And he has really been second in command for over 20 years. So a lot may not change.
