Health Care Hypocrisy

[SilverTrain]

Seriously. I want mandatory insurance removed, if it won't be removed by itself I'd support removing the entire thing and starting over.

Which is why you're the Republican politician's wet dream! FFS. "Starting Over" = no health care legislation passed until the twenty-second century.

"I want, I want, I want!!!" Do you hear yourself? Can you not see the forest for the trees? Christ, man. Rome wasn't built in a day. As FRE notes, we're closer than we've ever been. Pull your head out, and hang the fuck in there. We'll get there (knock on wood), but it's a process.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Which is why you're the Republican politician's wet dream! FFS. "Starting Over" = no health care legislation passed until the twenty-second century.

"I want, I want, I want!!!" Do you hear yourself? Can you not see the forest for the trees? Christ, man. Rome wasn't built in a day. As FRE notes, we're closer than we've ever been. Pull your head out, and hang the fuck in there. We'll get there (knock on wood), but it's a process.

Agreed. There's no real reason why we should repeal the entire bill and start over. Any issues with the current bill can be addressed with additional amendments to tweak the current legislation. A complete "repeal" would not only eliminate many of the helpful provisions that were activated at the top of the year, it would only serve as a weak, symbolic gesture for the opposition in 2012 to say that they're stronger than Obama.

 

[FRE]

Agreed. There's no real reason why we should repeal the entire bill and start over. Any issues with the current bill can be addressed with additional amendments to tweak the current legislation. A complete "repeal" would not only eliminate many of the helpful provisions that were activated at the top of the year, it would only serve as a weak, symbolic gesture for the opposition in 2012 to say that they're stronger than Obama.

Quite true.

No legislation of that magnitude can be enacted without causing unintended consequences and the way to deal with the unintended consequences is by amendments, supplementary legislation, or replacement legislation.

As a result of the new health care legislation, people who previously could not get insurance can now get it. Surely no compassionate person would want to take that away from them. And, as has been pointed out, if the legislation were simply repealed, it could be many decades before we have any replacement legislation.

 

[faceking]

Do you two have no concept of politics or what?

I noticed that too..... S'Train is usually pretty sharp, so I'd chalk it up to "speed thought'ing".

 

[cruztbone]

:tongue:Seriously, you need to participate in health insurance coverage that you expect all the rest of us to take of for you. NOT HAPPENING! repeal of health care reform? NOT HAPPENING!
it is only fair that you have a card, pay what are you able to afford toward your visit if you are unemployed or visit ( even if it is only a dollar), and have a card with vital medical data on it so that if you need emergency medical care, you can GET IT.
repealing medical reform will INCREASE the deficit (by the estimate of the congressional budget office, the same ones the Republicans quote daily ) more than 230 billion dollars over ten years.
if the tea party twinkies actually care about the deficit, they will leave the health care reform intact.
we have had enough tyranny by companies like Anthem Blue cross who now want to increase rates 39% in CA. you want freedom? how about freedom from corporate greed? apparently, the tea party twinkies have excluded corporations from tyranny, conveniently enough for them.
Fortunately, our DEMOCRATIC state legislature, our DEMOCRATIC governor and our DEMOCRATIC insurance commissioner are at work preparing legislation that will JUST SAY NO to insurance company greed. Thank you Jerry Brown and Dave Jones.

 

[JTalbain]

What you say certainly has merit. However, I very much doubt that political parties will ever be eliminated. I've never even heard of a country without political parties. Perhaps they are a necessary evil.

It won't happen for the same reason that anarchy and freedom are pretty much mutually exclusive. A political party is just a group of people with similar ideologies banding together under a recognizable banner to defend against the influence of very power and/or influential individuals. All it would take is a couple of powerful extremists (from either side) to turn the country on its head. Similarly, in an anarchy, the country would be ruled by who had the most power and motivation to do so. Political parties are somewhat predictable, and most importantly, they create a sort of "barrier to entry" that those who don't conform to have to overcome to be taken seriously. Good luck getting elected in this country as an actualy socialist/communist/fascist/etc.

That said. I hate the political party system as well, for the opposite reason. I don't like that people who are completely unqualified or stupid can get into office just by running on the right side of the ticket.

Agreed. There's no real reason why we should repeal the entire bill and start over. Any issues with the current bill can be addressed with additional amendments to tweak the current legislation. A complete "repeal" would not only eliminate many of the helpful provisions that were activated at the top of the year, it would only serve as a weak, symbolic gesture for the opposition in 2012 to say that they're stronger than Obama.

Agreed there. This is actually a very political move on the part of the Republicans. I don't think they actually want to repeal the whole bill, good parts and all, but by making the effort to get it through Congress, they make it seem as if the Democrats (or Obama if it miraculously passed Congress) are blocking them, ironically the very thing they've been doing to Democrats for the past two years. They know they can only do it now while the true ramifications of the healthcare bill are still unclear. Once it gets going, it'll be so entrenched no one will be able to get rid of it, or stand for talk of it happening.

Here's a link to what Factcheck has to say about the title of the repeal legislation: A ‘Job-Killing’ Law? | FactCheck.org

 

[FRE]

Agreed there. This is actually a very political move on the part of the Republicans. I don't think they actually want to repeal the whole bill, good parts and all, but by making the effort to get it through Congress, they make it seem as if the Democrats (or Obama if it miraculously passed Congress) are blocking them, ironically the very thing they've been doing to Democrats for the past two years. They know they can only do it now while the true ramifications of the healthcare bill are still unclear. Once it gets going, it'll be so entrenched no one will be able to get rid of it, or stand for talk of it happening.

Here's a link to what Factcheck has to say about the title of the repeal legislation: A ‘Job-Killing’ Law? | FactCheck.org

Right.

I'm sure that experience with the bill will indicate the need for some changes in it, but I'd be very surprised if the entire thing were repealed.

 

[MercyfulFate]

Just repeal the mandatory insurance stuff. If they can give us a real public option, or somehow rein in soaring costs people WILL get insurance without being forced to.

"Insurance is too expensive"
"Too bad, you have to have it"
"I can't pay for it"
"Then we're taxing you"

Doesn't make much sense. If you're just above 150% of the federal poverty level here, you don't get exempted.

Make it affordable, give us a public option. Don't force people to buy into overly expensive plans from greedy HMO's, when the whole thing is only in the bill because they forced it in.

 

[midlifebear]

Anthony Weiner suggests playing the drinking game when listening to Republicans talk about health care. Each time a health care lie, you take a shot.

YouTube - Weiner Rants On House Floor: GOP Lies On HCR Should Be A Drinking Game

 

[B_Nick4444]

This is not to say that it is OK to enact bills which have been inadequately studied. However, it has already been enacted.

which is why it has to be repealed (as well as Medicare, EEOC, etc)