Hearing "Stop" while fucking.

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I hope this gets overturned very quickly. Especially in this day and age where people meet otherwise strangers on the internet for encounters, have one-night stands, etc. Imagine a situation where two people meet on the internet, hit it off, maybe even go on a date or two. Then they get in bed and the man (top) for whatever reason gets off on being rough and dominant and will not stop. Or if two people are experimenting with S&M and the man(top) will not respond to the safe word because, damn, he's really hot and getting off on it and he's liking the protests. I think we can all agree that the man (top) in this situation is a real jerk in the least. However, what he's doing goes far beyond jerk-- he can be causing severe physical trauma that leaves permanent damage. So now the person that was not-raped and is injured has no legal recourse? That's bullshit.

I do understand that in cases like these it can be very hard to prove what happened one way or the other. However, if there is clearly physical trauma above and beyond what might happen during rough sex, or if there are multiple complaints about the same person. I know that "date rape" is problematic because of people abusing the laws regarding it, but there's got to be at least a way to help some of the people who get abused in this manner.

I also see both sides of this issue. On the one hand, the idea that you lose all rights to your body after you've been penetrated is absurd. A woman (or a man) should be able to stop a sexual encounter whenever they want to. On the other, rape is a very serious charge and if you've already started having sex with someone and then they don't stop as quickly as you want them to, that seems markedly different than actually forcing yourself upon someone. Yet I'm not sure there is a legal distinction, which is part of the reason why "date rape" and similar cases get thrown out so often.

In either case, how the hell would you EVER prove something like this? Unless there were spectators or you caught the event on film. Another reason why allowing someone to call "rape" at any moment seems questionable. It would be completely a matter of one person's word against the other if the person asked to stop managed to do so "in time". DNA evidence and gynecological exams wouldn't mean anything because both parties would be admitting that penetration occurred and that it was consensual.

I'm in no way condoning rape of any kind, and I do believe if you ask someone to stop that they should, without question. Making a legal issue out of it, however, makes it more confusing.
 

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I havent heard stop but I have heard"ouch!" which ofcourse caused me to stop, I felt terrible.

have heard this before too.

I usually ask my partners several times during the act if they're okay, if they're in pain, if they're enjoying themselves... unless it's really obvious that they are. I also try to make sure beforehand that they are comfortable enough talking to me that they can communicate whatever they are feeling without being afraid that I'm going to get mad or whatever.
 

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I got another thing here, what if it's consensual sex and he sticks it in the butt and she objects. He keeps going anyway. Is THIS protected by that law or is this different??

edit: I am just talking about that law. I am not looking for approval to do this
 

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This is pretty simple.

stop - Definitions from Dictionary.com

For those with a lesser intellect, the above post means the following: If a woman / partner says stop and you don't immediately stop, then congratulations, you're a rapist.

Maybe this is a little fanatical, but I feel that rapists deserve capital punishment on an equal level to murderers. I've seen the fall-out first hand.

As for anal, who cares. As Sarah Michelle Gellar once famously said in "Cruel Intentions" - "You can put it anywhere you want"... I don't see an issue with that, because when the woman says stop, you will of course immediately stop, right?

Do not let me hear anyone argue with this........
 

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here in Illinois, two years ago, the governor here signed into law (one of his first laws) that states that if a woman says stop and the guy doesn't stop, then he can be convicted for rape, and he must also register as a sex offender. I haven't really heard of any such cases happening since that went into law, but that doesn't mean that hasn't happened though.
 

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i might not stop, if they did not use THE SAFE WORD. MUHAHAHA.

on a serious note, i'm only 7 inches and some women can't even take that all the way before they are warmed up. ever bump a woman's cervix with a totally innocent thrust, and have them crying a second later? the sex comes to a grinding halt.

oh, and if you're pumping away up their butthole and they tell you to stop, i suggest you listen.

Yes, I am of the same length and I did actually cause my first gf to cry after bumping her cervix the first time we did doggy. Das vas unpleasant.
 

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here in Illinois, two years ago, the governor here signed into law (one of his first laws) that states that if a woman says stop and the guy doesn't stop, then he can be convicted for rape, and he must also register as a sex offender. I haven't really heard of any such cases happening since that went into law, but that doesn't mean that hasn't happened though.

Amen!

BigA: You pleased it's not "That cut and dry"? Does that justify your dreams at all? Sigmund Freud wrote about dreams being wish-fulfillment of a kind. (Yes, I've read it)
 

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I got another thing here, what if it's consensual sex and he sticks it in the butt and she objects. He keeps going anyway. Is THIS protected by that law or is this different??

edit: I am just talking about that law. I am not looking for approval to do this

No law will protect you from not stopping when someone tells you to stop. Continuing when told to stop makes consensual sex become RAPE. End of story. The only way idiots get off the hook as much as they do is because ruthless lawyers paint the victim (rapee) as a slut, drunk, drug user, liar.

None of that matters. If you are doing something to another person and they tell you to stop, you STOP. Somneone's questionable (subjective) character does not make their STOP or NO worth less than that of anyone else.

FUCK. I can't even believe I had to type that.

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Lex, your comments say it all. I've spoken to you only a few times (usually me saying sry incase I've stepped over the line in a thread lol) and I have to say that this one post has generated such respect for you from one who knows you very little.
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Thanks, Kotchanski. I don't even get why there are ANY responses other that "you stop." Maybe I missed that day of school or those years of upbringing when others were taught not to respect the wishes of their sexual partners. Who can say?
 

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I had to stop once because she started to have an asthma attack. It was kinda scary but she told me later it's the first one she ever had as an adult. That made me strangely proud.
 

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No law will protect you from not stopping when someone tells you to stop. Continuing when told to stop makes consensual sex become RAPE. End of story. The only way idiots get off the hook as much as they do is because ruthless lawyers paint the victim (rapee) as a slut, drunk, drug user, liar.

Well somebody posted a link earlier that said different. I dunno maybe it's bs. Don't make it look like I'm looking for loopholes. We were just discussing the law that's all
 

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Yes, I am of the same length and I did actually cause my first gf to cry after bumping her cervix the first time we did doggy. Das vas unpleasant.

I didn't cry the first time it happened to me, but I sucked my breath inward when he hit my cervix and we knew something was wrong. After experimenting for a while we learned the left side near my cervix was much more sensitive than the other side, so he'd thrust to the right and everything was fine and dandy.

Amen!

BigA: You pleased it's not "That cut and dry"? Does that justify your dreams at all? Sigmund Freud wrote about dreams being wish-fulfillment of a kind. (Yes, I've read it)

I think the Neo-Freudians are closer on this one since it's not only indivdually but socially motivated. Adler would say his dreams are overcompensating for something he's lacking.
 

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liar.

None of that matters
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Just wanted to focus on this one little part. If the girl is lying, it doesn't matter? If someone, anyone, provided they don't have a penis, claims rape... then by the logic of many posters here... the person they claimed raped them, regardless of evidence or circumstance, regardless of whether or not the girl is lying, regardless of the other person's story, even if the girl initiated sex and then the guy failed to pull out in the nanosecond his partner's lips formed the bilabial plosive at the end of the holy word "stop," then said person should have their life completely ruined or be put to death? "end of story" ?

It's so easy to adopt this position. (Not spelled out in such detail, but in the oversimplified rhetoric used by many in this thread) But it also represents extreme intellectual laziness.

Once again, I am NOT supporting rapists. Just trying to bring a little bit of sanity to an understandably heated topic.
 

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Well somebody posted a link earlier that said different. I dunno maybe it's bs. Don't make it look like I'm looking for loopholes. We were just discussing the law that's all

It's different in Maryland. Laws concerning rape vary from state to state.
 

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We all know I've been here more than my fair share of times, so I'll address this on a personal note..

The last time. I said no, we were fooling around, but he knew that was as far as things were to go at that point. He tried to take it further, again I said no (rather aggresively at this stage) he didn't listen. He is a rapist. Now if I'd have left things to the point where we were having sex, he was inside me and then I said no, I expect him to try another thrust or two, I don't call that rape, I call that "being in the moment" and "trying your luck" after that though, if he continues, and I continue to say no, then yes, he is a rapist. Its quite simple.

Whilst in a situation where penetration was consented to and begun, then no one, male or female, would expect "Stop" to mean an immediate end to things, people just don't work like that, simple reflexed dictates it for a start. However, "Stop" at the very least means you should slow things down, pause and clarify, not carry on regardless and ignore whats being said.

Stop it, you're sounding extremely reasonable.
 

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Amen!

BigA: You pleased it's not "That cut and dry"? Does that justify your dreams at all? Sigmund Freud wrote about dreams being wish-fulfillment of a kind. (Yes, I've read it)

I think that was beaten to death in the other thread. we dont need to get on that

As for it being wish fulfillment, yeah I'd like to fuck everyone in sight, if no ones getting hurt. nothing wrong with that
 

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Why did this fall on me. The very first thing i said in this thread was you shud stop. Then we started discussing the intricacies of that law, and the conversation changed a little