Help me understand Japanese culture.

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  1. Dr. Dilznick

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    I'm baffled by Japan, alien tentacle anime rape is accepted behavior but average human emotion is shunned.
     
  2. Pecker

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    It's simple, Dil.

    They're all female.
     
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    The Japanese...their culture is a little out there, from our perspective. Like, they sell used panties in vending machines, yet genitals are (or were, I think they changed that law) censored in porn. And like, it's kinda funny cause some Japanese wanna emulate our culture, and some of our people wanna emulate theirs. Ganguro chicks. Look em up some time and laugh.
     
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    i always thought the act/concept of seppuku was interesting - to say the very least.
     
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    the only good thing to come out of japan is fallout
     
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    In some ways I admire the Japanese and their work ethic but in other ways I'm puzzled by them.

    Case in point:

    My wife and I were visiting Honolulu some years ago and we were among the few Americans at the hotel, the rest of the guests were Japanese. Each day my wife and I would head off to the beach or go to tour the island on a rented motorscooter, go diving, or something. Great fun in the sun. A vacation.

    Not the Japanese. Although they were obviously wealthy (Italian shoes and Swiss watches on seemingly all of them), they did nothing more than sit around the hotel lobby all day smoking cigarettes, ordering drinks, and chatting with each other. Recreational opportunities abounded all over the place but they did even even go far enough outdoors to visit the hotel swimming pool. Gossip, booze and tobacco seemed to be the sum total of their vacation experience.

    SG
     
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    chimera, you can say fuck and shit on the internet you know
     
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    Your right that desnt make anysense whatsoever.:mad:
     
  10. headbang8

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    I haven’t posted much lately because of time and work commitments, but having just spent four and a half years working in Japan, and having a Japanese lover, I feel obliged to answer this one.

    Are the Japanese as weird as fuck? Oooh yeah, plenty. Then again, by Japanese standards, westerners are weird as fuck, too. Like most weirdnesses, it has its own logic.

    None of these things I’m about to tell you, in themselves, will explain octopus sexual fantasies. I have NO explanation for why squid titillate the average salaryman.

    (“Ah! I see! The Japanese diet is based on fish…so this is really no weirder than American magazines that show women copulating with hooved mammals, since such a large part of our diet is beef. Goats were sexy to the ancient Greeks, were they not?” Um, no. )

    Historically, nakedness is pretty normal for the Japanese. A unisex evening bath was a social event in many small towns, and it would be common for people to rush naked to the sento so they don’t get their clothes wet in the rain. The law which forbids the photography of genitalia was introduced by MacArthur during the Occupation and never changed. Vids without pixellation are not hard to find if you scratch the surface—just ask your friendly neighbourhood yakuza, Japan’s piss-weak excuse for a Mafia.

    Given that nakedness is no big deal, the question of which part of the body is taboo changes. In the west, the most private part of our body is our genitals—that’s why in English, anyway, we refer to them as our “privates”.

    With strict cleanliness rituals, Japanese don't consider the nether regions quite so “dirty” as we do. The most private part of one's body isn’t actually the genitalia, it’s one's mouth. That’s why you can see the classic feminine gesture of the hand held in front of the mouth as a young Japanese girl giggles.

    Opening the mouth too often or too wide is a sign of childishness or immaturity. In fact, talking too much is a sign of the same. If you talk too much, it’s like you’re trying to draw attention to yourself.

    Last week, I was walking down a street in NYC. I heard a woman shouting to her boyfriend, in tears, in her cellphone. Another gentleman was breaking up with his girlfriend, loudly telling her never to call again. In Japan airing this kind of dirty linen in public is thought as weird as tentacle rape.

    The Japanese don’t play with their mouths, they don’t play with words, and they don’t play with food. Things that go in your mouth (and come out of it) are treated with reverence and care. Food must be fresh—my boy doesn’t even like leftovers. And the idea of Japanese fusion cuisine is anathema to Japanese. Tokyo Nobu is the least successful branch of the whole international Japanese-fusion restaurant chain. Whenever we stupid westerners in my Tokyo office said “Hey. Lets’ go to Nobu in Roppongi”, the look of disgust on my Japanese colleagues was palpable. (Maybe they just knew how much it cost.)

    Frankly, for all our enjoyment of their food, Japanese food is hardly a sensory pleasure. I mean..raw fish? Like, eeeuw. Anyone who says they like the taste of sashimi really means they like the taste of soy sauce and wasabi.

    So if mouths aren’t sensually playful, then the Japanese make up for it by playing with the other areas of the body—that is, the genitals. Having had sex with both Japanese and non-Japanese gentlemen, the Japanese playful fascination with the body is quite liberating.

    But it’s a long stretch from creatively playing with your willy to rape by shellfish. In fact, the whole business of rape is one thing that most westerners find sick in Japanese sexual practice.

    But there’s a long tradition of surrender in Japanese sex. One of the reasons why male to male contact isn’t taboo (well, not exactly taboo) is that sexual submission was a samurai ritual of the apprentice to the master.


    Rape is always about power—and in Japanese culture power is exercised communally. Surrender is almost pleasurable...it make you feel secure, even, part of things, accepted. When you see submission in Japanese porn (or movies, or TV) you need to decode it differently. It’s almost pro-social to be submissive.

    Especially in light of history. During the 1600s, when the country changed from a series of local fiefdoms to a single empire, the samurai warlords fought viciously for the crown. Treachery ran rife. In order to keep his subjects in order, the Tokugawa shogun (based in Tokyo) put a simple system in place. Since they ultimately prevailed, the system spread.

    Neighbourhoods were divided into groups of families, sometimes ten or so, up to a couple of dozen. If one member of any family transgressed, the authorities punished all of them. Hence, the Japanese obsession with group solidarity. Everyone hung together, watched each other’s behaviour closely, and made life hell for the individual who seemed to be doing anything odd, suspicious or risky. A trusted group was the only way Japanese could feel safe. Interestingly, MacArthur instituted this very same system in the Occupation. This habit has proved hard to break; Japanese still feel safe only in trusted groups.

    Take my partner. He’s about as atypical a middle-aged Japanese salaryman as you can get. First, he’s gay and not married to a woman like normal gay guys are. He’s changed employers three times in his career—shocking in a nation where the guarantee of lifetime employment is reciprocated by lifetime loyalty. Two of those companies are—gasp!—foreign. As best I can tell, he speaks English fluently on Tuesdays, Thursdays and alternate Saturdays. And he’s from Kansai in western Japan, far from Tokyo, where the groupthink habit was not so strongly ingrained; people act more as individuals, with a modest dose of healthy self-interest.

    Yet he still has trouble socializing with me in a western context. Not in meeting individuals—getting to know my friends one-on-one is a great pleasure, and vice-versa. But the way westerners slip into and out of casual groups (like a tour group or an activity group, or even a dinner party) makes him ill-at-ease. Groups involve responsibility in return for comfort and safety. You can’t come together casually to have fun.

    Well, Dilznick-sama, that probably raises more questions than it settles. Such is the mystery of the inscrutable east. As a westerner, I only half understand these things. But hey, vive la difference.

    The holiday season sees me on three days worth of planes—I’m on a plane to Japan at the moment, actually—so, maybe when I land I’ll ask someone about tentacle rape, after introducing myself and exchanging business cards first, of course.

    Headbang8-san

    P.S. You can no longer get used schoolgirl underwear in vending machines in Japan. The police determined they were forgeries.
     
  11. SomeGuyOverThere

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    I don't think that Tenticle rape arouse out of a particular need to see a giant squid rape a woman, but more out of the fact that they couldnt show the human penis.

    So, Demon and Tentacle rape rose to fill the void - i.e. you could have penitration with a big purple, white liquid spewing tentacle, or penetration with a demonic penis, but not human, so instead of making the male protagonist human, they made it a monster.

    Thats my take on it anyway.
     
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    Headbang8:

    As always, I enjoyed reading your post. They are always entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work.

    SG
     
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    Nice in theory, if the prohibition on showing a human penis actually had teeth. The Japanese don't pixelate any more than western cable does, and purveyors of erotica get around the restrictions as a matter of routine.

    Japan's largest gay magazine, G-Men, (http://www.gproject.com) shows dick picks with very little camouflage. And it's sold at normal newsagents. You can't imagine goddamn Instinct doing that, can you?

    Speaking of G-Men, if you manage to get a copy(or even just look at the pictures on the Japanese version of their website) you'll see a lot more emphasis on B&D than you'd expect in a mainstream gay rag. The cartoons make Tom of Finland look like a nancy. As I said, there's something about submissiveness in Japanese culture that associates it with pleasure. Whether you submit to samurai master, dragon, demon, mini-skirted nurse with an anal probe, or the occasional octopus tentacle.

    Nope, they're just nutty as fuck. There's a whole shool of erotic literature which show mothers making the ultimate sacrifice for their sons by releasing their sexual tension before an important exam. Many female authors write of fictional gay romances between straight male pop idols. Their female audience enjoys the suggestion that these men might be gentle to the women they eventually end up with--not like normal straight men. And take a look at this little gem: http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/dins/onarafetish3english.htm

    That's what centuries of isolation from the rest of the human race can do.

    HB8
     
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    Farting Girls?

    Oooooooook....

    Oh well, I guess my attempt to rationalise Japanese sexual fetishes was a bit kind. I now agree - weird as fuck.
     
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    SGOT...

    and the following is a little selection from late-night, Japanese free-to-air TV. http://robpongi.com/pages/comboJTVHIGHLIGHTS.html http://robpongi.com/pages/comboBOUNCYGIRLZ.html

    Years of isolation from the rest of the world drives you loopy. I can't help but think that North Korea, when it finally opens up to the west, will be the next home of psycho-social-sexual froot loops. http://robpongi.com/pages/comboNKDANCE.html http://robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMSROSESHI.html http://robpongi.com/pages/comboPOTATOPRIDE.html http://robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMJONGIL.html http://robpongi.com/pages/comboNKHIGH.html

    BTW Rob Pongi is an old drinking buddy of mine, and the only man I know who has mastered that peculiar kind of Japanese ESL English that gives rise to all the howlers we see so clearly on Engrish.com.
     
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    I personally love some of the quirks about Japanese culture. Their major beliefs of honor, tradition and discipline are values I wish we still held here today. I find their anime interesting, and you can actually really find out about their culture by getting yourself immersed on one of them (Inuyasha being an example). I've been o J-League soccer games, and baseball games. It's awsome. Urawa reds fans ALL dress in red. They ALL sing, they ALL stand as one. Same goes with the baseball games. Less cheering, more singing and chanting.

    Since I have taken anthropology and sociology, I have learned to never judge other cultures. Japanese sexuality is very prominent in their culture, but you do not discuss it publicly with others. Take a look at a normal, everyday japanese magazine rack. You will find tons of porn, hentai, yaoi and bishonen floating around. You go to a more specilized store, and you will find things like shota (drawn porn involving either little boys/men, little boys/older women or little boys/little boys), futanari shota (little boys dressed as girls, doing the same things as shota), and lolicon(little girls and men, women or other little girls). Whats ironic is this concept isn't censored, but if you pick up any regular hentai magazine, here will be a black bar covering the bottom of the penis, the penis will be pixelated, the penetration will be covered up, or the penis will have no head/foreskin and just be a rod. Japanese sexualiy has tons of peversion, but many censorships.
     
  17. Dr. Dilznick

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    Was it the tentacle sex cartoons or the eating of raw fish that drove you to such a conclusion?

    As stated above, they did father Bukkake, arguably one of the greatest decimations of the female form known to man.
     
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    Simply another aspect of natural selection, my friend :eek:

    Where I live, the Japanese outnumber everyone. They are (mostly) quiet, neat, well dressed and polite. They have the neatest yards and homes and seem to have the respect thing down pat.
     
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    The world's best website for Japanese GAY life and understanding is this one:

    www.JguyUSguy.com

    It is intelligent, well-informed, brilliant for meeting Japanese guys all over the world and - of course - in Japan itself. Owned by a VERY nice, clever, highly-educated American living in Japan with his Japanese boyfriend. They do a lot of personal work on the site, continually monitoring its usefulness and making improvements where necessary. If you like it, you'll spend a lot of time on JguyUSguy. It's pleasantly addictive and you learn from western guys who live in Japan, earn their living there, often speak fluent Japanese. Its forums are lively and incredibly informative. There's horny stuff too - but it's not in-your-face. You have to dig for it. But that's half the fun!:wink:
     
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