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Man trying to help the indigenous groups in Ecuador gets railroaded by the corporate controlled judicial system of the US.

Maybe this isn't as sexy as the QAnon stuff, but it's real.

Sad story.
 

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BTW, Chevron was never in Ecuador. Texaco was in Ecuador till 1992, but sold out to PetroEcuador. PetroEcuador never cleaned up ITS oil sites. Texaco did clean up its sites.
 

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A compelling argument by Stephen W. Green, who is, coincidentally, Vice President for Policy, Government and Public Affairs for Chevron Corporation. ;)

I'm content to let the lawyers sort this one out.

Its been sorted out. Donziger is disbarred and under house arrest for fraud, RICO and bribery. The case was thrown out.
 

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According to Wikipedia, he's awaiting trial:

Appeals and prosecution of Donziger

As part of the appeal process after the initial ruling, Donziger was ordered by Kaplan to submit his cellphone and computer as evidence. Donziger refused, arguing that doing so would violate the attorney-client privilege of his other clients, and was charged with contempt of court by Kaplan. In a move described as "virtually unprecedented" by The Intercept, Kaplan appointed a private law firm to prosecute Donziger after the Southern District Court of New York declined to do so; Donziger is under house arrest awaiting trial. Jacobin notes the law firm apppointed by Kaplan, Seward & Kissel, is a private firm that has represented Chevron directly as recently as 2018. Chris Hedges writes that neither Kaplan nor Seward & Kissel disclosed that Chevron had been a client.

Donziger's contempt charge and house arrest have been harshly condemned by legal advocates. Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson criticized Chevron and Kaplan, asserting that the corruption and bribery was a "means to protect the oil company from having to answer for its degradation of the Amazon." In 2020, a group of twenty-nine Nobel laureates condemned "judicial harassment" by Chevron and urged the release of Donziger. Human rights campaigners have described the treatment of Donziger as an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP), which are used to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

The European Parliament, one of the three branches of the European Union, requested that the Congressional Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties investigate Chevron's treatment of Donziger as "not consistent with what has traditionally been the strong support in the United States for the rule of law generally and for protection for human rights defenders in particular."
 

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According to Wikipedia, he's awaiting trial:

Appeals and prosecution of Donziger

As part of the appeal process after the initial ruling, Donziger was ordered by Kaplan to submit his cellphone and computer as evidence. Donziger refused, arguing that doing so would violate the attorney-client privilege of his other clients, and was charged with contempt of court by Kaplan. In a move described as "virtually unprecedented" by The Intercept, Kaplan appointed a private law firm to prosecute Donziger after the Southern District Court of New York declined to do so; Donziger is under house arrest awaiting trial. Jacobin notes the law firm apppointed by Kaplan, Seward & Kissel, is a private firm that has represented Chevron directly as recently as 2018. Chris Hedges writes that neither Kaplan nor Seward & Kissel disclosed that Chevron had been a client.

Donziger's contempt charge and house arrest have been harshly condemned by legal advocates. Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson criticized Chevron and Kaplan, asserting that the corruption and bribery was a "means to protect the oil company from having to answer for its degradation of the Amazon." In 2020, a group of twenty-nine Nobel laureates condemned "judicial harassment" by Chevron and urged the release of Donziger. Human rights campaigners have described the treatment of Donziger as an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP), which are used to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

The European Parliament, one of the three branches of the European Union, requested that the Congressional Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties investigate Chevron's treatment of Donziger as "not consistent with what has traditionally been the strong support in the United States for the rule of law generally and for protection for human rights defenders in particular."
According to Wikipedia, he's awaiting trial:

Appeals and prosecution of Donziger

As part of the appeal process after the initial ruling, Donziger was ordered by Kaplan to submit his cellphone and computer as evidence. Donziger refused, arguing that doing so would violate the attorney-client privilege of his other clients, and was charged with contempt of court by Kaplan. In a move described as "virtually unprecedented" by The Intercept, Kaplan appointed a private law firm to prosecute Donziger after the Southern District Court of New York declined to do so; Donziger is under house arrest awaiting trial. Jacobin notes the law firm apppointed by Kaplan, Seward & Kissel, is a private firm that has represented Chevron directly as recently as 2018. Chris Hedges writes that neither Kaplan nor Seward & Kissel disclosed that Chevron had been a client.

Donziger's contempt charge and house arrest have been harshly condemned by legal advocates. Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson criticized Chevron and Kaplan, asserting that the corruption and bribery was a "means to protect the oil company from having to answer for its degradation of the Amazon." In 2020, a group of twenty-nine Nobel laureates condemned "judicial harassment" by Chevron and urged the release of Donziger. Human rights campaigners have described the treatment of Donziger as an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP), which are used to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

The European Parliament, one of the three branches of the European Union, requested that the Congressional Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties investigate Chevron's treatment of Donziger as "not consistent with what has traditionally been the strong support in the United States for the rule of law generally and for protection for human rights defenders in particular."

He is disbarred. Who is the Intercept? Is that like The Onion and Babylon Bee?
 

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He is disbarred. Who is the Intercept? Is that like The Onion and Babylon Bee?

You cite an article by a Chevron spokesperson, and you challenge *my* sources?

We could attempt to sift through the actual facts on either side of the argument, but I don't have enough of a dog in this fight to bother. My only point was, however much people may have made up their minds one way or the other, this appears to be an ongoing dispute.
 
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Well if they did nothing wrong well then yes you do need to protrct them. THAT IS THE LAW.

Now if you have proof of Chevron wrongdoing, please post it here.

Oh, no proof will be good enough for you. You'll just link to a Chevron press release stating otherwise.

Conservatives sure do love authority.
 
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Oh, no proof will be good enough for you. You'll just link to a Chevron press release stating otherwise.

Conservatives sure do love authority.

Well there is no proof. You couldn’t find any so you deflect.

Dutch High Court Finds for Chevron Over Ecuador

The Ecuador Saga Continues: Steven Donziger now owes Chevron more than $800,000

Did you know Chevron never even drilled in Ecuador?

Are you saying the New York Bar who disbarred Donziger is corrupt?

I am right and unless you can post a refuting link, well that makes you w***g.
 

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•••The company does not deny having deposited the waste that came up through the oil drilling process. Company officials argue that depositing the watery sludge in open pits was, in its time, standard operating practice. Nevertheless, Texaco spent $40 million to cap more than 200 pits and build schools and medical centers, with the Ecuadorean government certifying the cleanup in 1998.•••

Ecuador certified TEXACO as having cleaned and released them from damages.
 

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Documentary on the misdeeds of Chevron.


How did a lawyer who took on big oil and won end up under house arrest?

How the Environmental Lawyer Who Won a Massive Judgment Against Chevron Lost Everything

Articles on how Chevron has used their money and influence to fuck over Donziger.

Good, Donziger was a crook. Can you point to the time when CHEVRON polluted the Ecuador Amazon? Look hard, and get back to me.

Mother Jones is a piece of shit in terms of unbiased reporting, a worthless POS. Itrust the NY Bar, which pulled his credentials.
 

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Good, Donziger was a crook. Can you point to the time when CHEVRON polluted the Ecuador Amazon? Look hard, and get back to me.

Mother Jones is a piece of shit in terms of unbiased reporting, a worthless POS. Itrust the NY Bar, which pulled his credentials.

Chevron acquired Texaco in 2000. That's why they're a part of the case.
 

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And Texaco has a certificate of release of liability from The Ecuadoran Government because Texaco cleaned up the sites for which they were responsible. Once Ecuador gave that, Texaco was not liable. Now PetroEcuador was supposed to clean up IT’s Messes but did not. Tell Donziger to go after them.

Here is how sloppy Donziger was: his firm wrote the “ expert report” and gave it to the “ expert” to file. Stupidly, they just did a cut and paste and forgot to correct simple typing and spelling errors, so those errors were found identical in the “expert report,” and in Donziger’s own case files.
 

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Just have a paralegal go over the phony expert report to at least sanitize it and cover your baloney lying paper trail, but he was too cheap and too lazy. No wonder he was dis-barred.