Herman Cain?

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And, I'm sure he's a victim of racism just like Obama is. (according to some on this board)

In truth and fairness he probably is and to a degree that exceeds the usual perceived level. On one side Cain and Obama have to deal with the people who can't stand blacks or any non-white person or even a Jew and won't vote for him even if he had proof of a way to save the economy and even the world.....he's black so they won't vote for him.

Then there's the racism which isn't as obvious where people will vote for him, as some did for Obama only because he is black. They won't look at what he does or doesn't stand for, it will be a vote to prove that they (the voter) aren't a racist. He could be standing there screaming and shooting a machine gun into the crowd and people would vote for him.

Some people vote only on a party line even if their candidate is reprehensible, some vote according to skin color, religion or gender.
 

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careful about throwing around insults, JACKASS!

Obama DID NOT have total legislative control (no president ever does). And while the Dems controlled the House and had a ONE SEAT majority in the Senate, the Repbs FILIBUSTERED EVERY SINGLE BILL. So pay attention moron.
The repbs in the Senate used the filibuster more times in the first 18 months Obama was President than in the past 97 years.

God what a complete idiot you are.

Don't forget that for the first two years of supposedly filibuster proof majority, Ted Kennedy was out of commission- plus the Dems had assholes like Ben Nelson
 

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Herman Cain proves himself to be completely out-of-touch with reality:

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal posted Wednesday Cain said. "If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

He went on to say: "It is not a person's fault because they succeeded. It is a person's fault if they failed"

So to the person who has been laid off from their job after 15 years, or the elderly citizen under financial distress because of a health condition, or the recent grad who can't find a job in the struggling economy, or anyone else who isn't part of the so-called 1%, Herman Cain just wants you to know that you have no one to blame but yourself.
 

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What are the chances of Cain getting elected?.....slim and none There is not a Repb in that field that is any better than what is in the Whitehouse right now.
 

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I found this article quite interesting. If his campaign is some sort of false-front, I wonder who/what's behind it?

The Times, noting that "19 of the 31 days of October are blank" on Cain's public campaign calender, wonders whether Cain "has any particular plan to seize this moment, beyond using the attention to sell books." He's not, for example, spending a lot of time in key primary states like New Hampshire.
 

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careful about throwing around insults, JACKASS!

Obama DID NOT have total legislative control (no president ever does). And while the Dems controlled the House and had a ONE SEAT majority in the Senate, the Repbs FILIBUSTERED EVERY SINGLE BILL. So pay attention moron.
The repbs in the Senate used the filibuster more times in the first 18 months Obama was President than in the past 97 years.

God what a complete idiot you are.


Uhhhhhhh, the dems had a 9 seat majority in the Senate, 1 short of the filibuster proof 60 (57 dem seats with 2 liberal independents). need anymore lessons?
 

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And, I'm sure he's a victim of racism just like Obama is. (according to some on this board)

I'd like to address a simple issue here once and for all. Both blacks & whites are racists. I doubt there is a human being alive who does not "judge" people or make assumptions about people who are "different" than themselves OR their particular world experience. While I may be white, I have a particular distaste for rednecks, trailor trash and most evangelical Pastors who speak with a Southern accent! Why --- because I grew up in a mostly white, blue collar mill town in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania! I had an innate suspicion of anyone with more than a BA, because none of my family or our neighbors even went to college. Gay people?? Even though I suspected myself, I too was a homophobe because of the stereotypes I had seen. It took effort for me to come to a new understanding of my personal world by trying to "walk a mile in the other person's moccasins!"

Leo Buscaglia once said that labels distance us from intimately knowing one another. "She's OLD!" "He's a troll." "She's a slut." "He's just ignorant!" The judgments and perceptions don't have to be "proven" for the individual to consider them truth -- until someone says, "Hey, maybe you need to take a second look here." Racism is particularly difficult because the person doesn't have to reveal ANYTHING about themselves -- it's all based on looks. We'd live in a very different world if all of us were blind! We'd really have to encounter people for their "revealed" self.

For 5 years I worked for the church in inner-city Philadelphia. How I grew! Every perception and pre-conceived notion I ever had was challenged (and yes even in some instances confirmed). But the one thing I did come to believe was that as a white person, I had been given advantages I had never seen before because we live in a predominantely white society (just LOOK at all those middle aged white guys you see in pwerful positions in government!!!!!)

As a friend said to me, "You know "d", we black people feel a lot more comfortable dealing with YOUR world than you white people feel dealing with OURS!" WOW!

The only way this nation is ever going to get past the color barriers we have (and let's please include the Native Americans and the Latinos!) is for us to work a little harder to see the context of the other person's world before we judge them as "less than." Less than what? Human?

As Martin Luther King supposedly taught us: We are ALL one race -- the HUMAN race! Now -- let me get back to trying hard to get to know all those redneck, trailor trash, southern evangelical preachers I have such a difficult time with!:smile::rolleyes::wink::cool::eek:
 

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Since he's rising in the polls you see the hatred come out.
It's sad that party who is the most raciest supports obama and yet whenever another black man or woman speaks up and defends conservatism they are called uncle toms or a sell out and asked why they step out of line! The left needs perpetual white guilt over it. So the election, if it were to happen, of a Republican black, contrary to what the popular sentiment might be... Think of the treatment he would recieve It wouldn't be pretty. It wouldn't solve anything. The left can't afford for that to be solved.
It that makes me think we are never going to overcome this divide because of the left. Now, they claim that they are the ones who are colorblind, they are the ones who are open-minded and tolerant, when in fact they are the biggest bigots among all of us. The left runs a plantation, and the blacks in the Democrat Party are the people that work for them. And in order to serve in the Democrat Party as a black, you got to toe the line. It's just a reworking on the old traditional arrangement. The Democrat Party is a coalition of disparate groups, various different constituents, and they really have nothing in common except for one thing, and that is big government running everything. And the way these liberal groups stay in the good graces of the Democrat Party is to deliver votes and money.
 
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If you aren't successful, it is no one's fault but your own. Cain is right on that.

THAT is one of the biggest loads of "bullpuckey" anyone can throw at a person! I went to a potential employer's presentation about 9 years ago. 5 millionaires who pooled their money and were training people how to find & buy under-valued homes that would produce at least a $20-25,000 profit. These homes were from: foreclosures; divorces; elderly etc. For every "closing" you would get a $5,000 commission. In our 2 state Metro area at that time, we were told there were at least 247 foreclosures alone PER MONTH! Great potential. You should at LEAST be able to successfully find and close on a minimum of 8 homes per year netting you $40,000 minimum. IF you paid them (up front) a $1,600 fee -- these guys would assign a personal counselor to you to train you, answer questions and put you on a faster track at finding these "types" of homes, doing minimal "quick" fixes and getting them back on the market within 30 days. If you paid the fee, they promised you 1/2 of whatever you made on the sale!! It wasn't a "scheme" -- all legit and from THEIR end -- having 50 or 60 people putting a minimum of $20K in THEIR pocket with each home found and quickly re-sold, I'm sure the pyramid effect would work out quite well. THEY had the cash to make it happen.

The man started his presentation with these words, "There are the ignorant poor and the lazy poor -- which are you?" I could feel the hair on the back of my neck stand up! I was purely outraged.

FIRST --- not everyone is given the same degree of "smarts." Just think of your high school class. Out of any random 100 students, maybe 20% were in the "upper" echelon of brain power/IQ. The next 50 or so were "average" and the bottom 30 were lucky to graduate! It doesn't mean the "ignorant" are destined to be poor, but in "my" day, those 30 people were destined for the 5 "M's" the Military, the Mines, the Mills, Manufacturing, or "Misc" (like working at roofing, the Grocery Store, bartending, etc. etc). A non-college bound person could actually make a decent living in any of those 5 areas. They were literally more "gunt" work than having a "titled" career, but you could make pretty decent money without the smarts. Depending on your definition of "successful" -- none of those people were destined to become wealthy. They would be lucky to "own" a car, a house or both someday.

But what happens to those people who could not AFFORD college and after 10+ years in their jobs -- their job suddenly goes away? What are they trained to do OTHER than what they have been doing? If they believed their jobs would BE THERE for a long time, perhaps they didn't save for the express purpose of furthering their education. Some hated school to begin with and couldn't see "wanting" to go to night school or vocational school. Ignorant? Lazy? Or just busy living their lives falling in love, having babies, finding small pleasures in hobbies and making just enough to make ends meet. And when your job ends because of "downsizing" or "out-sourcing" -- how do you psychologically handle losing that part of you that helped to define who you were? Not everyone is prepared to just "pick up the pieces" and move on. They were not given those type of emotional survival skills. And if you're left a single mother with 3 kids in a messy divorce and you've been "out" of the workforce for 10 years, how do you start over meeting your new obligations? Waitressing? Typing & Filing? Cleaning Houses? And what do you do with your children while you're out trying to find a job -- or working 2 jobs to make ends meet? Ignorant? Lazy? And what if in any of this life -- either male or female you get a major illness or one of your children gets severely ill. Did your job provide good health insurance? How much does your 20% amount to in a situation of desperate or chronic illness? And if you have little saved -- what do you do with a new obligation of thousands of dollars of medical bills and drug costs? Ignorant? Lazy? Or trapped like a rat in the unfortunate circumstances of life that come at you blind-sided and unanticipated!

And I'm not saying that these people I've mentioned above are not "successful" in some ways: They may be a faithful friend, a really good neighbor, a tremendously competent mother or father. Success in LIFE has to be measured in more ways than simply finances!

Finally -- we live in a nation and at a time in history that severely under-values the skills of many professions. CNA's in nursing homes make horrible salaries. THESE are the people taking care of grandma's and grandpa's whose wealth might be able to BUY the nursing home they live in outright! But the people who SERVE them? Little more than slaves! Lazy? Ignorant? Or just undervalued. And there are too many jobs out there like this. A teacher with a Master's Degree starting out may make $35K a year. Their POTENTIAL, even after 20+ years of service MAY reach $60K a year. They are NOT destined to become wealthy. Successful? Well that depends on 1000+ variables governing their lives.

And Herman Cain ---- had you worked for Enron for 35 years and were told ONE month that you had $700,000 in your retirement account and the NEXT month you were told you had NOTHING --- how can you even dare to say that if you're not successful, it's YOUR fault? How about Companies that declared bankruptcy just so they could get out from under paying out their retirements to faithful employees with years of service??

And finally from my own experience of life. I've watched people close on deals worth $500K -- but on their way home, a little blood vessel in their brain just "snapped" and within weeks someone was wiping drool from their mouth and changing their diapers!

For those of you who think you've really really "made it" on YOUR OWN. Don't be deceived. Your abilities were a gift -- and you were not only to use that gift for your OWN benefit -- but also for the benefit of your neighbor. As I told my son when he was 15: "I'll consider YOU a success in life if there are 1,000 people at your funeral!"

In 2012 I strongly suggest 2 movies that drive home the "stuff" of life:
Scrooge & You can't take it with you!

God Herman -- wake up and just talk to people -- hear their stories! You might become one of the truly enlightened ones!
 

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Cain has been secretly working behind the scenes to make being an Uncle Tom respectable in public again. The man's an asshole.

:tongue:

The quandary that Cain finds himself in is that he's a Black candidate representative of a generally conservative agenda and mindset. Not an enviable position to be in, I'd imagine, because the balancing act necessary for such a feat would inevitably make one out to be fool, at the least.

Hence at one moment he's criticizing Perry for "racists slogans" painted on signage at a family camp, while in another he's making some stupidly uninformed statement about gays, or saying something asinine like he wouldn't want any Muslims in his administration.

Even if you think you have reason (based on known incidents of terrorism and planned terrorism) to be suspicious of some Muslims, why would you say something so stupid?? As the saying goes, "How you sound" ...whining about the name of some camp, then saying stupid shit yourself??

He'd have to be either grossly misinformed, an idiot, or playing to his constituency. Either way makes him unlikely to be an option for me.
 

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I'm surprised no one has posted this clip yet. From the accompanying article:

So, okay, Herman Cain’s not going to be president. Who cares? But it drives me nuts that the guy can get taken seriously by some conservative activists and voters without him taking the process seriously at all. The president of Uzbekistan is Islam Karimov. Maybe Cain doesn’t know. Fine. It’s a trivia question. But say, I dunno, something about American foreign policy in Central Asia. Try to demonstrate some command of the issues. But Cain is transparently running for talk radio host or something. If it wouldn’t make a good subject for a 10-minute drive time segment, he doesn’t want to talk about it.
 

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Since he's rising in the polls you see the hatred come out.
It's sad that party who is the most raciest supports obama and yet whenever another black man or woman speaks up and defends conservatism they are called uncle toms or a sell out and asked why they step out of line! The left needs perpetual white guilt over it. So the election, if it were to happen, of a Republican black, contrary to what the popular sentiment might be... Think of the treatment he would recieve It wouldn't be pretty. It wouldn't solve anything. The left can't afford for that to be solved.
It that makes me think we are never going to overcome this divide because of the left. Now, they claim that they are the ones who are colorblind, they are the ones who are open-minded and tolerant, when in fact they are the biggest bigots among all of us. The left runs a plantation, and the blacks in the Democrat Party are the people that work for them. And in order to serve in the Democrat Party as a black, you got to toe the line. It's just a reworking on the old traditional arrangement. The Democrat Party is a coalition of disparate groups, various different constituents, and they really have nothing in common except for one thing, and that is big government running everything. And the way these liberal groups stay in the good graces of the Democrat Party is to deliver votes and money.
No, what makes Cain an "Uncle Ruckus" is not his political leanings it is his views on race. He proudly states that he grew up following his father's example of not speaking up against the policies of the Jim Crow era South. He was raised to be content with the treatment blacks received. He has received all the benefits of the labors and suffering the Civil rights activists went through and now he belittles them. If not for those who marched and protested then would he have had a chance to become the CEO of any company? I think not.