My concern is that that "groupthink" just promotes intolerance. If you're fighting intolerance with intolerance, you're not going to be very productive.Now if that "groupthink" turns into outright hostility, then maybe it's time for gay young people to rethink their value system. Because it's just a short bus ride from hostility to acting out. Now if hostility on the verge of acting out is what you're seeing time and again, then maybe it's time for those young gay folk to get some sort of education on tolerance.
These weren't friends of hers, simply sexual/romantic prospects. It's the ultimate hetero male fantasy until they realise there's a possibility their hot bi girlfriend might leave them for a woman. Then they just become insecure. Not that this happens with every hetero male with a bi girlfriend, but it has happened quite often with my best friend.Again, I can only speak from my own experience, and I rarely encountered that attitude from the people important to me. Not that everyone always understood, but nobody that mattered ever gave me shit about it. If it were I and I experienced that, I wouldn't consider those people friends, and I would find new ones who were more tolerant. At least she's got you for a best friend, and she couldn't do better than that. :smile:
p.s. I thought bi females were the ultimate hetero male fantasy.
That perpetuates the very dichotomy we've been working toward overcoming. The point I'm trying to make is that there really shouldn't be an "us" and a "them", and exercising the same offensive behaviour is antithetical.But in the midst of it all, you are trying to be "manly" trying to not get beat-up by gargantuan farm boys or scrappy red necks, so you are trying to act tough, and part of trying to seem tough is being outspoken and aware of who you are as a person. Sometimes in the midst of the chaos of high school and even before then when the "That's so gay", "Cocksucker" and rumors about other students (having AIDS) start to fly, you want to hurt them the way they hurt you. You become an "us" and a "them" because gay is there, it's very there and very amongst all of students, it's just invisible while loudly spoken.
To clarify things, I didn't mean that expressing disgust in women/vagina necessarily made one "heterophobic" (do note that I've been putting that word in quotations this entire time). Like max said:Also it my opinion that you are only further making it seem wrong to be gay by saying that is wrong to be disgusted by the thought of having sex with a woman. I am sorry, you are making it wrong to say you don't want to have sex with a woman and making the claim that we can't help but be attracted to women in some way because we are men or some other crazy chauvinistic claim.
and I followed up emphasizing that that was the point I was trying to make. To put it simply, vocalizing disgust in women/vagina, without sincerely experiencing disgust is the "heterophobic", discriminatory behaviour of which I'm referring to (depending on context...you're welcome, max). If a person is genuinely disgusted by women/vagina, then that's their own prerogative, and not the very specific behaviour I'm speaking about. If that was unclear, I apologise, but again, I did make that point after max's post.maxcok said:I've known both older and younger gay men who are disgusted by the idea of sex with women, and some who are derisive of women in general, though it's usually more catty than serious I think.
Also, this thread is here for people to explain why they're disgusted by female genitalia. If you can justify it (i.e. you had a terrible sexual experience with women), then you're not in the demographic I'm addressing. If you can't justify it, then explain how your behaviour isn't "heterophobic".
Oh, and just to further clarify, I am openly gay male with no desire whatsoever to sleep with women, so it baffles me how you can accuse me of trying to get across a point I'd never support. If you had read clearly, you'd've noticed I'd written [in my OP], "Today, I have yet to sleep with a woman, but I do readily accept it as a possibility in the future if for whatever reason I develop that desire," meaning, I have not yet developed a desire to sleep with women. As in, I don't want to sleep with women.
Read above.I don't see how the lack of any desire to sleep with a woman equals "heterophobia".
I never said this was a new trend. I simply called it a trend. A pattern I've noticed amongst the gay men I've interacted with in my lifetime. I've only been around for the years I've been around, so obviously the only experiences I've had have been in this era. I can't possibly know whether gay men in the decades preceding my life acted in a similar fashion or not.I need to disagree with the OP that there's anything trendy in this trend: misogyny and homosexuality have been intertwined amongst all-too many guys at least since the 1970s, when I first really appeared on the scene. there's nothing new to any of this.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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