"Heterophobic" Trend Amongst [Young] Gay Men

Are you disgusted by the thought of being with a woman?

  • I am younger, gay and the thought of being with women disgusts me.

    Votes: 15 14.4%
  • I am younger, gay and the thought of being with women does NOT disgust me.

    Votes: 44 42.3%
  • I am older, gay and the thought of being with women disgusts me.

    Votes: 13 12.5%
  • I am older, gay and the thought of being with women does NOT disgust me.

    Votes: 32 30.8%

  • Total voters
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Now if that "groupthink" turns into outright hostility, then maybe it's time for gay young people to rethink their value system. Because it's just a short bus ride from hostility to acting out. Now if hostility on the verge of acting out is what you're seeing time and again, then maybe it's time for those young gay folk to get some sort of education on tolerance.
My concern is that that "groupthink" just promotes intolerance. If you're fighting intolerance with intolerance, you're not going to be very productive.

Again, I can only speak from my own experience, and I rarely encountered that attitude from the people important to me. Not that everyone always understood, but nobody that mattered ever gave me shit about it. If it were I and I experienced that, I wouldn't consider those people friends, and I would find new ones who were more tolerant. At least she's got you for a best friend, and she couldn't do better than that. :smile:

p.s. I thought bi females were the ultimate hetero male fantasy.
These weren't friends of hers, simply sexual/romantic prospects. It's the ultimate hetero male fantasy until they realise there's a possibility their hot bi girlfriend might leave them for a woman. Then they just become insecure. Not that this happens with every hetero male with a bi girlfriend, but it has happened quite often with my best friend.

But in the midst of it all, you are trying to be "manly" trying to not get beat-up by gargantuan farm boys or scrappy red necks, so you are trying to act tough, and part of trying to seem tough is being outspoken and aware of who you are as a person. Sometimes in the midst of the chaos of high school and even before then when the "That's so gay", "Cocksucker" and rumors about other students (having AIDS) start to fly, you want to hurt them the way they hurt you. You become an "us" and a "them" because gay is there, it's very there and very amongst all of students, it's just invisible while loudly spoken.
That perpetuates the very dichotomy we've been working toward overcoming. The point I'm trying to make is that there really shouldn't be an "us" and a "them", and exercising the same offensive behaviour is antithetical.

Also it my opinion that you are only further making it seem wrong to be gay by saying that is wrong to be disgusted by the thought of having sex with a woman. I am sorry, you are making it wrong to say you don't want to have sex with a woman and making the claim that we can't help but be attracted to women in some way because we are men or some other crazy chauvinistic claim.
To clarify things, I didn't mean that expressing disgust in women/vagina necessarily made one "heterophobic" (do note that I've been putting that word in quotations this entire time). Like max said:
maxcok said:
I've known both older and younger gay men who are disgusted by the idea of sex with women, and some who are derisive of women in general, though it's usually more catty than serious I think.
and I followed up emphasizing that that was the point I was trying to make. To put it simply, vocalizing disgust in women/vagina, without sincerely experiencing disgust is the "heterophobic", discriminatory behaviour of which I'm referring to (depending on context...you're welcome, max). If a person is genuinely disgusted by women/vagina, then that's their own prerogative, and not the very specific behaviour I'm speaking about. If that was unclear, I apologise, but again, I did make that point after max's post.

Also, this thread is here for people to explain why they're disgusted by female genitalia. If you can justify it (i.e. you had a terrible sexual experience with women), then you're not in the demographic I'm addressing. If you can't justify it, then explain how your behaviour isn't "heterophobic".

Oh, and just to further clarify, I am openly gay male with no desire whatsoever to sleep with women, so it baffles me how you can accuse me of trying to get across a point I'd never support. If you had read clearly, you'd've noticed I'd written [in my OP], "Today, I have yet to sleep with a woman, but I do readily accept it as a possibility in the future if for whatever reason I develop that desire," meaning, I have not yet developed a desire to sleep with women. As in, I don't want to sleep with women.

I don't see how the lack of any desire to sleep with a woman equals "heterophobia".
Read above.

I need to disagree with the OP that there's anything trendy in this trend: misogyny and homosexuality have been intertwined amongst all-too many guys at least since the 1970s, when I first really appeared on the scene. there's nothing new to any of this.
I never said this was a new trend. I simply called it a trend. A pattern I've noticed amongst the gay men I've interacted with in my lifetime. I've only been around for the years I've been around, so obviously the only experiences I've had have been in this era. I can't possibly know whether gay men in the decades preceding my life acted in a similar fashion or not.


Thanks for sharing your experiences.
 
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Hi,

As a hetro male I have to say I've noticed this trend also of "hetrophobia". I'm gonna get bashed as a troll or whatever but I wanted to pipe up.

I recently noticed it more in the last season of United States of Tara and a bit on Skins. The younger community has adapted terms they use in a derogatory fashion when talking about hetro sexual, the term "breeders" is the first and foremost to pop into my mind.



The term "breeders" has been around a long time actually. I think it originally referred to heterosexuals who were somewhat mindless or careless about their reproduction activities. I have also heard it used to describe stereotypical straight middle-class people in the suburbs who are looked down upon by cool city kids whatever their sexual orientation.
 

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I'm not completely straight and I certainly don't think that "sucking cock" is disgusting in terms of over-all sexual expression. BUT I do have a hard time with some men talking about it in the same way they would "eating pussy". Lately I've gotten myself into some trouble with my opinions about this. I just have a hard time thinking about human beings as things or objects, whether young gay men feel that way or anyone.

It was not your view of sucking cock or of people talking about sucking cock that 'got you into trouble'.
 

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I'm not completely straight and I certainly don't think that "sucking cock" is disgusting in terms of over-all sexual expression. BUT I do have a hard time with some men talking about it in the same way they would "eating pussy".
Why? What's the diff? Besides the obvious of course, one being male genitalia, one being female. Are you saying sucking cock is grosser or less "normal" than eating pussy? For a man, for a woman, in either case? Seriously, what's the diff?

Lately I've gotten myself into some trouble with my opinions about this. I just have a hard time thinking about human beings as things or objects, whether young gay men feel that way or anyone.
I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization of why you got "into some trouble". I think you got yourself in trouble for being unjustly judgemental and insulting to a member for his particular form of sexual expression in this thread: A mouth is just a mouth question for guys?

 

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Go easy on her. She's not as "enlightened" as some of you peeps. :biggrin1:

Nope. She asked for it. One of the wonderful things about this site is the immense respect most posters have for each others sexual practices, whether they agree with them or not. It's what allows such a disparate group to come together and remain largely harmonious. And you don't have to be terribly 'enlightened' to get that.
 

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Hmmm. I have absolutely zero physical desire for any form of sexual contact with a woman and if I am watching porn and I see a banner ad (for example) featuring naked women then I usually close the page because it's a mood killer.

The word "disgust" to me makes it feel as if the feelings of zero attraction are related to hatred in some way, which in my case they are absolutely not, I adore women. I would be the kind of person who would be kind of put off if I had to watch straight porn, I am sure I would be wincing. This doesn't mean I dislike women though, and it's not based upon any form of built in prejudice, it's just a personal preference. I voted that I am disgusted by it, but not in the way I believe it's intended.

I know of plenty of straight guys and girls who wouldn't want to see gay guys having sex. They're not homophobic, they just don't want to see it. If they can do it, then hell, so can I.
 

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Nope. She asked for it. One of the wonderful things about this site is the immense respect most posters have for each others sexual practices, whether they agree with them or not. It's what allows such a disparate group to come together and remain largely harmonious. And you don't have to be terribly 'enlightened' to get that.

Right on Subgirrl!:smile:...disagreeing with someone yes, offending no..

As for the OP's post..I am a black woman..and actually I don't consider the 'trend' weird really..

Right now the whole Gay -topic is very prominent now, ..In these crazy times we live in psychologically I do understand why some, or many gay men feel that way..

Disgust to me..is such a strong feeling..to me in essence how can't those feelings in their core be in some way about yourself..about projecting that part of you, you haven't accepted yet onto women..the object you may feel you are 'competing' with in this world for the respect and acceptance of the 'straight men'.

Its not weird that the gay men who feel this way, have internalized these feelings out of creating strenght for their own identity. Every other minority group whether from race, religion, bodytype (skinny versus fat), etc etc has done this at one point.

An attitude of..'ok, not my preference, live and let live'..would be considered more mature.. Or have tried it, but didn't do anything for me..ok. But disgusted...that's pretty strong right?

But disgust..is like hate..and hate is usually never about what it appears to be..

A friend of mine said he didn't like to be with women because they were too wet for his taste :tongue:...another one didn't like the ones with the big boobs...to feminine for him..he said. And another one could only have sex with a woman, when a guy was present.

To each his own you know, but disgust is too strong a feeling if you haven't even tried it. And for all the ones that feel disgusted about sleeping with a guy or woman ..I'd would have some serious doubts about..

I don't trust homophobes and don't trust heterophobes either..

But I have faith that these feelings will come to pass as well...

Amen :tongue:
 

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I'm not completely straight and I certainly don't think that "sucking cock" is disgusting in terms of over-all sexual expression. BUT I do have a hard time with some men talking about it in the same way they would "eating pussy". Lately I've gotten myself into some trouble with my opinions about this. I just have a hard time thinking about human beings as things or objects, whether young gay men feel that way or anyone.


This is Off topic NEWREBA, if you want to continue the discussion regarding issues around sexual objectification and the giving of head you have your own custom created thread in which to do that, please use it and do not subtly try to hijack other threads in which the discussion is not related at all.
 

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This is Off topic NEWREBA, if you want to continue the discussion regarding issues around sexual objectification and the giving of head you have your own custom created thread in which to do that, please use it and do not subtly try to hijack other threads in which the discussion is not related at all.


Hilaire you're becoming a tyrant. Are you some sort of PC police? Is this is a new policy on lpsg because I've been on here for 4 years and no mod has pulled rank like this? It's not up to you to tell people how they can respond to a post and I think her comment is relevant. You just don't like it because it's not PC in your world. I disagree with the way you are heavy handling this. The fact is people talk about all kinds of topics on every thread. Some are not exactly on topic and some are really off topic. Just because one disgruntled member objects to her opinion doesn't give you or anyone else the right to tell her where she can and cannot post. I don't like your attitude because it reeks of political correctness. People are constantly complaining and being critical of other people's ideas or their threads all the time, not to mention who likes what dicks or who doesn't like them. I object to your style of harassment. :cool:
 

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Hilaire you're becoming a tyrant. Are you some sort of PC police? Is this is a new policy on lpsg because I've been on here for 4 years and no mod has pulled rank like this? It's not up to you to tell people how they can respond to a post and I think her comment is relevant. You just don't like it because it's not PC in your world. I disagree with the way you are heavy handling this. The fact is people talk about all kinds of topics on every thread. Some are not exactly on topic and some are really off topic. Just because one disgruntled member objects to her opinion doesn't give you or anyone else the right to tell her where she can and cannot post. I don't like your attitude because it reeks of political correctness. People are constantly complaining and being critical of other people's ideas or their threads all the time, not to mention who likes what dicks or who doesn't like them. I object to your style of harassment. :cool:



I really couldn't give a monkey's about the opinions expressed in NEWREBA's post, believe me when I say I have better things to do than become PC enforcer for this site.

What I have a problem with is when members expressing any opinion attempt to drag issues which have arisen in other threads into unrelated ones in an attempt to threadjack. You'll see I've given similar advice to other members in other threads, because blatant threadjacking is against the rules.(explain to me, by PM, how you think a discussion about young gay men being disgusted by the thought of sex with women is related to another thread about NEWREBA's concern that straight men getting head off gay guys is a sexual objectification)

Oh and just so we're clear, I quite like NEWREBA and have had plenty of interesting discussion and agreements with her as a fellow member in the past, and even if that were not the case I wouldn't be harrassing her in a million years. I have better things to do with my life.

You don't like my opinions as a fellow member Jon, that's fine.

But please do me the politeness of presuming I have some decency and wouldn't be abusing my role as a Mod. I take my responsibilities here extremely seriously and I take care to be as objective as possible when carrying out my duties. But carry on thinking I'm an evil-corrupt-power crazed-Mod-tyrant with no personal ethics or sense of fairness instead if you want to. :rolleyes:


Edit: And just so this doesn't also become a tangent which further derails the thread, I consider this particular discussion closed. You can PM me if you want but I wont be responding in this thread anymore. :)
 
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Jon, the thread has now gone entirely off topic. That is what happens when people choose to bring up unrelated issues.
 

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Disgust is a pretty epic word. For me, I just don't think about women in that light. If the thought happens, I just dismiss it. Women don't do anything for me sexually. I still appreciate a female form, as an art critic would appreciate art. That's all.
 

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I don't see how the lack of any desire to sleep with a woman equals "heterophobia".

I agree.....I don't see it either..

Regarding the poll...I am also happy to see that the poll shows that the majority of the young and older gays do not find it disgusting.

Being a BI, I have no problem with it and have found sex with
both men and women to be wonderful and anything but disgusting. But, that is just me. Although I don't have that feeling, nor understand it, I can still respect the feelings of others about it, and accept it without reservations.

I think if we were all alike, life would be terribly boring!

I don't like certain foods, but don't get my knickers in a twist because others do like them.

To each his own, I say....
 
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For the love of god can we please respect Discoboy enough to stay on THIS TOPIC??? enough!!!


DiscoBoy...since we discussed this in chat I assume it got you thinking, and for those who say that Disco is trying to make gay guys feel shame for not loving vagina's you're way off. I had posed the question in chat "Are gay guys ever straight curious" which met with some saying yes and others saying "EWWW NO vagina's are GROSS". So to pin some kind of political agenda on him, wrong. No.

It's a good question because as a woman I do NOT expect all men to want to sleep with me, so if a gay man say's he's not attracted to women sexually that's fine. What bothers me is the misogyny, blatant and unapologetic misogyny that some gay men show towards women. I find it ironic that the guys who discriminated against women, or show hostility towards women are the world's biggest hypocrites! See the irony?

As far as young guys and their distaste for women I understand if you're oppressed or you feel discriminated against how you may want to isolate yourself within the gay community or even resent the heterosexual world. I just hope that as these people get older they learn to trust those who are NOT homophobic and not operate under the assumption that all straight people are the same.
 

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I agree.....I don't see it either..
Had you simply read the thread, you'd've understood that that isn't the point I'm trying to make.

For the last fucking time, I am a gay male with no desire to sleep with women. Why the fuck would I be ripping into myself?

For the love of god can we please respect Discoboy enough to stay on THIS TOPIC??? enough!!!
At this point, all I can ask is that they understand the topic.

It's a good question because as a woman I do NOT expect all men to want to sleep with me, so if a gay man say's he's not attracted to women sexually that's fine. What bothers me is the misogyny, blatant and unapologetic misogyny that some gay men show towards women. I find it ironic that the guys who discriminated against women, or show hostility towards women are the world's biggest hypocrites! See the irony?

As far as young guys and their distaste for women I understand if you're oppressed or you feel discriminated against how you may want to isolate yourself within the gay community or even resent the heterosexual world. I just hope that as these people get older they learn to trust those who are NOT homophobic and not operate under the assumption that all straight people are the same.
Exactly. It's unfounded resentment and the hypocrisy of it all is just gross. It undermines any attempt at establishing equality.