HIV undetectable and healthy?

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Okay, I'm kinda concerned. I just had sex with a guy who is HIV pos undetectable(he says) and I was the bottom for a while,,no condom. I think this is the dumbest thing I ever did but he said he had a partner for 6 years who was neg and never got anything from him. How concerned should I be? If we have sex again im definately telling him to use a rubber. I think a current HIV test for myself is definately in order. Let me emphasize there was no semen release in me. I know that doesnt matter and im still at risk..just qualifying it.
So, you just had anal without a condom, and he was HIV +. Chances are you are now too. You better get to a DOC ASAP and tell him, and hopefully you can prevent it. If you start with a lot of anti-virals you can hopefully prevent it. Do it now.
 

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So, you just had anal without a condom, and he was HIV +. Chances are you are now too. You better get to a DOC ASAP and tell him, and hopefully you can prevent it. If you start with a lot of anti-virals you can hopefully prevent it. Do it now.

"Chances are you are [positive] now too"?

That's not true at all, fightinghunger.
See my post, just above yours.

The infection rate, even with anal intercourse, is low.
And with a partner whose infection is now undetectable, the infection rate will be far lower still.

Of course, the dude needs to use condoms when he has anal sex.
But we don't need to scare the beejesus out of him.
;-)


He should get tested.
And he should use condoms in the future.
 

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So, you just had anal without a condom, and he was HIV +. Chances are you are now too. You better get to a DOC ASAP and tell him, and hopefully you can prevent it. If you start with a lot of anti-virals you can hopefully prevent it. Do it now.


LOL do it now? Even IF i was infected and its a very big IF...its not going to show up immediately. You obviously are not very knowledgeable about HIV transmission, so I wont be too concerned about your advice. And if I now was pos taking anti virals now is going to prevent it? LOL. NO,,its going to suppress it.
 
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LOL do it now? Even IF i was infected and its a very big IF...its not going to show up immediately. You obviously are not very knowledgeable about HIV transmission, so I wont be too concerned about your advice. And if I now was pos taking anti virals now is going to prevent it? LOL. NO,,its going to suppress it.

I think Fightinghunger is referring to PEP (Post-Exposure Prophylaxis) where anti-retrovirals are prescribed for a month to prevent hiv establishing itself. Such treatment needs to be commenced within 72 hours of exposure (like, now). It is preceded by a fast hiv test to check that you weren't already infected.

Free PEP is available at sexual health clinics and emergency departments of hospitals in the UK. I don't know the availability or cost of it in the USA.

Your friend had an undectable viral load at the time of his last blood tests. The tests were on his blood, not his other body fluids. Undetectable does not mean non-existant, it means low numbers of viral particles. That situation may have changed since his last test. Poor adherence to his drug regime, or another infection, can result in an increased viral load. Plus eventually his hiv will become resistant to his current medication.

Viral load testing is used by his doctors to judge the efficacy of his treatment and as a predictor of the likelihood of his developing aids-related illnesses, and not as a measure of his transmissability.

Intuitively, I would think that the chances of transmission are lowered if the blood viral load is low, but there have been very few studies to demonstrate that. One widely-quoted "concensus" from Swiss experts that low load = low transmission was based on a study of heterosexual Ugandan sero-discordant couples where no antiretroviral medication was prescribed, so this can't be confidently applied to sexually active gay men on medication.

As a hiv-negative person, the onus is entirely on you to protect yourself from a life-long and life-changing infection. You can't rely on the opinions of others based on the results of imprecise blood tests that could have been conducted months ago.

Yes, the odds are low that this single incident has resulted in infection and I'm not just trying to freak you out. But the consequences of contracting hiv are so serious that it is worth minimising the risks as much as possible. Which still means condoms for fucking! Especially as the most infectious individuals are the undiagnosed.

So, if you're still within the three-day window you should consider PEP. It will lower the already low chances considerably - it's estimated to have a 70% success rate in preventing infection.
 
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Is it a proven inevitability that a person who adheres to their drug regime eventually becomes resistant? Is it certain? An immunologist at Duke University says it's not known that it's inevitable; that a host of other factors may contribute to resistance. In any case, it could be a decade or more once you start a regime for resistance to manifest if at all. He tells me that patients who started treatment in the mid-2000's (when single doses - once-a-day care became available) - and who are otherwise healthy and adhere religiously to their meds are unlikely to die from HIV-related illness. This doesn't mean that HIVers should slack off but huge progress is being made. If you are HIV + take your meds, and take care of yourself, physically, spiritually, and emotionally.
 

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There is one major thing that is a common in the many threads that appear all over on HIV. The HIV retrovirus unlike many other things far worse has been politically "played" to a point that misinformation on this is common.

As a parent HIV bothers me only to the extent of a blatant lie.

What scares me far more are the many STD's that are far more easy to transmit which include but are not limited to Hepatitis, Herpes, and the old friends Syph and Gono. There are versions of the common that have grown extremely resistant to all treatment modalities. HIV to me = minor concern because common sense prevents that one. The other stuff is a great deal easier to transmit or to find one's self infected with it.

Some strains of Syph and Gono can take as many as 2 years on heavy medications to get rid of. On hepatitis, there are a few less common forms of this which are so virulent that they can completely destroy the liver of a healthy individual within 5 years and lead to a very painful death. These less common viral variations of hepatitis are far easier to transmit than HIV.

Just for the record there are several medications originally used for other purposes which may now be usable to prevent HIV infection. There are several studies on several medications now in progress on this subject. Double blind studies on these are going on now.

What I don't want to see is a state where any of us relax however.

At 58 years old I am sickened to realize and understand that there are individuals out there known as "bug chasers" who for warped reasons are one of the major groups preventing the eradication of the HIV retroviral infection.
 

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A completely honest answer would have been, "I am HIV positive. My medication is managing the disease. There will always be a chance that I can infect someone." Any answer other than that is dishonest.

Agreed.

It's up to you decide whether or not you want to have fun with this person, and what activities you want to participate in. But the fact of the matter is HIV and AIDS is still a very life changing and life shattering virus. Prepare to trade your bodies own natural immune system for a regimen of expensive pills and treatments with plenty of side effects.

I will gladly shake hands with anyone who has HIV and I will even play light contact sports. Thats about it. Maybe I'm not being politically correct but thats just me.
 

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It just means that his viral load is undetectable(, i.e., his hiv virulence is practically nill), and that he doesn't have any opportunistic infections that are infectious to others. Just use condoms properly (for oral or anal sex), and enjoy each other's sex!
 

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If you got infected with this guy's hiv, you won't show positive for at least 10-12 weeks(the time required for your system to make antibodies). But you ought to know, that you may have been exposed to any of the other STD's including syphillis, gonorrhea, etc. Don't ever do that again! HIV is just one of the many STDs that are festering around! And syphillis is much more infectious, and may not show any symptoms until its secondary stage!
Just use a rubber always! Thinner ones for oral, and then put on a normal or tougher one for anal, so you'll be safer.
You ought to go to a free clinic or center, and let them test you for any possible STDs.Better sooner than later, trust me!
Javier