HIV Vaccine Failure... Called 'Catastrophoic'

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  1. sargon20

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    Sadly it looks like there will be no HIV vaccine for what looks like a long long time.....

    The two-decade search for an AIDS vaccine is in crisis after two field tests of the most promising contender not only did not protect people from the virus but may actually have put them at increased risk of becoming infected.

    "We simply do not know at the present time how to design a vaccine that will be effective against HIV."

    "This is on the same level of catastrophe as the Challenger disaster" that destroyed a NASA space shuttle, said Robert Gallo, co-discoverer of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which causes AIDS, and head of the Institute for Human Virology in Baltimore.

    The recently closed studies, STEP and Phambili, used the same vaccine -- made from a common respiratory virus called adenovirus type 5 that had been crippled and then loaded with fragments of HIV. Both studies were halted when it became clear the STEP study was futile and possibly harmful.


    Vaccine Failure Is Setback in AIDS Fight - washingtonpost.com
     
  2. D_Portelay Porquesword

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    This is the United States.
    There is more money in the treatment than the cure.

    The only cure is prevention, safety and common sense. Sadly, a large majority of men in the gay community no longer fear what can be "treated".
    Infection rates among 18 - 24 year olds is at it's highest.

    Not to sound negative but there seems to be no end in sight.
     
  3. B_Think_Kink

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    There is no cure for cancer either.. but people are still working towards it. I'm sure someone will start up a new one.
     
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    A vaccine or a cure for AIDS will be found someday. But I think it will come from more research into the immune system rather than a direct search for a vaccine. That means that more fundamental research needs to be done. It will appear hopeless for a while, because it will seem as if no progress is being made until suddenly something fundamental about the immune system will come to be understood. That understanding may not even come from direct research into a cure for AIDS.

    Oh_Yeah,
    What has to happen for gay people to fear infection again? (or anyone else, for that matter). It seems so tragic that we have somehow culturally lost our concern as a society.

    Do gay people feel that it is just inevitable that they will get infected, or is it because there is a lot of palliative treatment these days, so it doesn't seem as big of a threat?

    I would be scared to death if I were gay or straight and still out unmarried and having sex with a lot of people. Is that because I am older and still remember when there was not even treatment for AIDS?
     
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    But cancer can't be prevented by wearing a condom and performing safer sex habits.

    I...hate to say it like this, but if everyone with AIDS, didn't have sex with anyone without, when they die, the virus will die with them.
     
  6. B_Think_Kink

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    What about not smoking? Or working properly with dangerous substances.

    Actually your saying whatever you would like to call it... is skewed. What about all those people who don't know they are infected? How would they stop having sex and infecting people? They don't know, are they to blame? Are you going to issue world wide Aids screening?
     
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    Let's not be coy. Yes, that would prevent lung cancer, throat cancer, mouth cancer.

    But not smoking doesn't present breast cancer. People can go to work in a safe environment everyday, go to a check-up and find out they have a tumor growing in their liver. Cancer.

    There's more than one type of cancer.

    And especially if we're talking about the 18-24 or college age demographic, they have free screenings on all campuses. Get tested. Be preventive.

    I'm not saying people would AIDS should go kill themselves, no. That's not fair to say. Live the rest of your life as you would, just don't have sex with people who don't have HIV. Be responsible.


    Is that too much to ask?

    It's not different from having a smoker's section and a non-smoker's section.
     
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    Sadly, among the many chips I try to remove from my shoulders, this particular pessimism is one which, best as I try, cannot shed.

    It is true. The only cure is prevention, safety and common sense. And active measures like free-needle exchange drives and "Explicit, loud-and-clear honest drug and sex education" in public schools before kids become sexually active, among other things. And by prevention, I'm not limiting choices to the single non-choice of abstinence. You can abstain if you want to. No one is forcing you to be celibate until your ready to rodger.

    Remember "Just Say Noe?" I generated a lot of money for adult literacy programs when Clinton the First ran against Bush the Elder selling bumper stickers that said "Bush/Quayle in 82? Just Say Noe!" The bumper sticker didn't tell you who to vote for, but who NOT to vote for.

    You say potatoe and I'll correct it to patato. You say you've got a clue and I'll pull out the rug from you. Potato. Potatoes! Tomato. Tomatoes! ad infinitum . . . .:smile:

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    By the way, in my effort to beat a dead horse, in more enlightened countries all bars (not just gay bars), all sex clubs (not just gay saunas/baths), as well as most porn and peep show cinemas offer free condoms. And curiously enough, gay men (and some not-so-gay) actually USE them. I'm not arguing they offer 100% protection. But they do diminish the risk of transmitting STD's. Wearing fluorescent orange vests during deer hunting season doesn't prevent accidental shootings, either. But would you go hunting without wearing one?
     
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    This reminds of a quote I heard this week. Don't remember who but 'The past is never past'. I think mankind is doomed to repeat every mistake as each generation comes online.
     
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    Not a very unworkable solution. Given the latency between exposure and becoming HIV positive it would be impossible to rule out any risk. And trying to control sexual behavior is completely impossible.
     
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    Thats a statement I can agree with.
     
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    The virus shoulda of been done with years ago, with the millions spent on education, awareness, etc...

    After it was no longer hip to say straight women were the fastest growing population of HIV-infected individuals... it kinda went away. Yet it continues to be one demographic that has CONTINUALLY (through poor choices) kept this virus alive and kicking. Something you won't see called out in the mainstream.

    We know how you directly get the HIV, we don't know you directly get cancer.
     
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    Prevention has worked in many places where we've seen large-scale political involvement: Uganda, Senegal, Thailand. We've also seen epidemiological disasters when the stewards of public health have purposely ignored the effects of the virus: the United States in the 1980s (until the gay community kicked in and started their own programs) and South Africa -- as well as perhaps China and India -- today. The public sector needs to do its job for prevention to work, or at least get out of the way so others can assume with authority the position it abdicates.

    I have a library full of the med literature on AIDS but the best book I've read on the subject in a long time is The Invisible Cure by Helen Epstein.

    By the way, the vaccine trial failures are indeed a huge setback. If you want to learn more about the latest in HIV vax development, check out International AIDS Vaccine Initiative | IAVI - International AIDS Vaccine Initiative
     
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    Only you can control your sexual behavior. So be responsible.

    I don't see what the big deal is.
     
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    I agree. But will say that in the early stages before testing can determine status, the carrier may not know they have HIV and pass it on without malice. Although equally true that some do not want to know and just continue to bang without care.

    ITA.
    In some areas where education is lacking, rural south as an example, I can understand why the numbers are so unnecessarily high twenty-five years later. However, I wouldn't accept a claim of ignorance from any person who lived in the Bay, NYC, Los Angeles, or any metropolitan area that experienced the early AIDS crisis of the 80s.
     
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    Yes, that is true...but everybody can still practice safe sex.
     
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    infected girls do it better
     
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