Holy Crimes (Batman!)

[Jason]

So... what you're saying (without citing an source for this idea) is that the Algonquins got their ideas about democracy from the (then) very PAGAN Vikings, who, at home, lived under a feudal lordship? I'm sorry if I'm unable to connect the dots, but this makes no sense whatsoever, especially in light of your "protestantism and democracy go hand in hand" speech from earlier.

This may provide some information: Vinland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As might this: Algonquin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And also this: Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a bit of a wind-up, but not a complete wind up. The Vinland Sagas show America explored from Greenland, and to an extent from Iceland. The Vikings were Christians (Greenland and Iceland from around 1000AD). They were also democrats of a sort - Iceland claims the oldest continuous parliament - and the reason for leaving Scandinavia was to get away from some nasty feudal kings.

I guess the key is that I see US ideas of democracy firmly rooted in the European tradition - I don't see them as deriving from some Algonquian democracy as a poster suggested. But I wouldn't want to pour cold water on the idea that the Algonquins had a form of democracy, merely to advance the view that that social structure may be a legacy of the democratic and Christian Vikings who reached Vinland.

 

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

Many thought provoking ideas here. I'll add my two cents.

Any religion is only as good as the people who believe it, hence any theological attempt to define god, or what god stands for is inherently flawed, as any definition of god, in the universal sense, would ultimately be unknowable. Personally, I prefer the idea that compassion is the only universal religion. It's economical, can be practiced anywhere, and daily.

As to democracy being only of Western origin, that hardly seems fitting since even the Athenians, who are widely credited with creating the worlds first democracy only allowed 30K (males over 20) of their 250K inhabitants to be considered citizens with the right to vote.

If you cast a more open concept of democracy being inherent in early city states, then certainly the origins go much farther back into Sumeria, India, and Central America - the Maya.

I always thought the Iroquois Influence (Thesis) made them the native american culture often (controversially) credited with creating the basis of the US Constitution. At least some in Congress must have thought so too (whatever that counts for) when they passed a resolution on it in 1988.

The Iroquois had a confederation based upon a form of a representative democracy where sachems (chiefs) were the elected representatives, usually chosen by the women. Most decisions were made by consensus, or with at least 75% voting any decision up or down. Women had the right to own property, vote, and the right to veto declarations of war, or treaties, since the clans were matrilineal. The Iroquois also had a League, which included the Mohawk, Seneca and other tribes in the US northeast. Historians put the date of the League origins at about 1450.

 

[midlifebear]

Holy crimes: the gift that keeps on giving. And gleaned from the news over the last 7 days?

Missouri: Pastor Lloyd Sartain arrested on federal weapons charges.
California: Lawyers for Father Antonio Cortes ask court to suppress evidence of child porn found on his laptop, which included tens of thousands of images of boys as young as six.
Florida: Pastor Dieugrand Jacques arrested for sexual battery of a teenage girl.
Texas: Pastor Dean Tarkington arrested for sending a teenage girl a lewd video of himself.
Georgia: Pastor Kenneth Terrell arrested for molesting a child under the age of five.
South Carolina: Father Edgar Sepulveda arrested for sexual battery on a juvenile male.
Oklahoma: Pastor Edwin House charged with molesting two 14 year-old girls.
Idaho: Youth Pastor Jordan Vernon arrested for sexual battery on minors under 16.
New York: Pastor Philip Joubert charged with felony assault on a child. Joubert was arrested for the rape of another underage girl in November.
Ontario: Father Kenneth Gibbs pleads guilty to sexually assaulting two pre-teen girls.
North Carolina: Pastor Rodney Boothe sentenced to more than 100 years for sexually abusing two teenage boys.
Florida: Pastor Gaston Smith convicted of using county grant money meant for the poor to fund a Las Vegas vacation and other personal expenses.
New Mexico: Pastor Paul Meeks charged with the sexual abuse of his own daughters.
Israel: A 36 year-old rabbi was arrested for making 1200 obscene phone calls to children.

And then there are the nine catholic priests in Australia who are about to have separate trials on more than 200 counts of sexually abusing boys at the St. Stanislaus Boarding School. Father Brian Spillane faces 146 counts of sexual abuse over 22 years. Spillane's lawyer claims "mass contamination" of the case due to the website of one former St. Stanislaus student, who has been paid a settlement by the local diocese. One might presume that pederasty (not cleanliness) is close to godliness. Hmmmmm. . . .

 

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

Holy crimes: the gift that keeps on giving. And gleaned from the news over the last 7 days? One might presume that pederasty (not cleanliness) is close to godliness. Hmmmmm. . . .

That's all so nasty I can't even stand to read it.

 

[B_Nick4444]

on the moral and ethical balance, I wonder how any of this compares to the impoverishment of a people, who find it impossible to support their families

only reason I bring that up, is because if this thread is to be in the politics section, then what is its relevance to the real political and economic problems in the Lib Dem age?

a strategy to divert attention from the real issues of the Obama Gilded Age -- massive aid to large corporations and Wall Street elites, and none to hungry families impoverished by the globalist policies of the Third World Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama?

WASHINGTON — Despite soaring unemployment and the worst economic crisis in decades, 18 states cut their welfare rolls last year, and nationally the number of people receiving cash assistance remained at or near the lowest in more than 40 years.

“When we started this, Democratic and Republican governors alike said, ‘We know what’s best for our state; we’re not going to let people starve,’ ” said Mr. Haskins, who is now a researcher at the Brookings Institution in Washington. “And now that the chips are down, and unemployment is going up, most states are not doing enough to help families get back on the rolls.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/us/02welfare.html

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You know, it would be really easy for me to draw a parallel between religion and impoverished areas, drawing correlations between its influence and the overall morale of people who are born poor, grow up poor and with less opportunity than others. Explaining in detail how these people look for any real sense of uplifting, spiritual guidance through religion and how several power hungry people in the religious sector misuse the people's trust & devotion to influence their own discriminating, bigoted and partisan agendas. Especially since I was born poor, lived in a poor part of the city and had to work harder than most people my age to have what little I have now.

But alas, since I'm just a "lib" it wouldn't matter if I actually spoke from personal experience. At least to the person who brought up the question, who seem to think reality is limited to the scope of his two narrowly viewed eyes.

 

[B_Nick4444]

How these people look for any real sense of uplifting, spiritual guidance through religion and how several power hungry people in the religious sector misuse the people's trust & devotion to influence their own discriminating, bigoted and partisan agendas.

pretty much sums up the Dem strategy in getting Obama elected, even to the point of playing on the Lib Dem electorate's hunger for "hope and change"

now their impoverishment and physical hunger grow as well

 

[B_VinylBoy]

pretty much sums up the Dem strategy in getting Obama elected, even to the point of playing on the Lib Dem electorate's hunger for "hope and change"

now their impoverishment and physical hunger grow as well

Thank you for proving my point. You never disappoint!

 

[midlifebear]

Nick (pookie) of the sixes is such a sore loser. He's right up there with the major four ungracious posters on this big pee pee site. It's truly amusing how he's unable to fathom the relationship of religion and politics. I wonder where he buys his blinders. Maybe he's still being sexually abused by his spiritual advisors . . . and he likes it? Puer eternis?

 

[midlifebear]

Hey Kids, What Time is It!

Can you believe that it's been two weeks since I added to this thread? Ah, so many crimes, so little time. So to make up for it the following has a few extra "crimes" for the last seven days.


Wisconsin: Father Robert Chukwu arrested for embezzling $200K from his diocese.
Israel: Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira arrested for firebombing a West Bank mosque.
Texas: Pastor James Dixon arrested for beating his wife.
Kentucky: Pastor John Wayne Diehl arrested for child molestation.
Connecticut: Pastor Troy Grant charged with multiple felony counts of sexual assault on minors.
Colorado: Pastor Isaac Aryee charged with sexual assault on a minor.
Texas: Pastor Matt Baker convicted of murdering his wife.
Florida: Pastor Phillip Glenn Terrell pleads guilty to child molestation.
Tennessee: Pastor Jonathan Tyler Giles charged with sexual abuse of minors.
Alabama: Christian radio host Walter Bowen charged with two counts of sexual assault on a child under the age of 12.
Florida: Pastor Leonard Martin charged with 42 felonies for attempting to embezzle $1M from a local school district.
Arkansas: Pastor Charles King arrested for solicitation in a public park.
California: Pastor Calvin Lee Little arrested for violating his sex offender probation requirements stemming from a 1984 rape.
Illinois: Father Steven Poole arrested for shoplifting butter and a sofa cover from Wal-Mart. One is compelled to ask: Why butter and a sofa cover?
North Carolina: Father Kenneth Parker suspended for sexual misconduct.
Wisconsin: Father James Blume convicted on two counts of child molestation.

Most Venal and Extra Sad
New York: Ultra Orthodox Rabbi Baruch Lebovits is set to begin trial in Brooklyn on 75 felony counts of sexually abusing boys. In November a 25 year old just-married man leaped to his death from his honeymoon hotel room, reportedly just after confessing to his bride that he too had been molested by Lebovits. The Brooklyn district attorney's office has arrested 25 Ultra Orthodox Jews on charges of child abuse in the last year, after criticism of foot-dragging when it came to crimes in that very insular community.

For shame!

See you next week kids! Same time and same channel!

Oh, and don't forget . . . see you on the Moon! :smile::smile::smile:

 

[midlifebear]

Yet another big week in Holy Crimes. This week there's even a token Iman the zealous anti Islamists can slobber over.

In keeping with forum rules, you can all now just click on the original link. Isn't that fun? Impress your friends. Be TWICE as popular at parties. And at the same time you can identify your pseudo-religious enemies! Wow. Who knew the 21st Century would be soooooo cool? (Where's my flying car?)

Alabama: Pastor Ralph Lee Aaron receives multiple life sentences for molesting four pre-teen boys and creating child pornography. Check: Covington County Pastor Agrees To Consecutive Life Terms In Prison - WSFA 12 News Montgomery, AL |

California: Pastor Martin Richter arrested for sexually assaulting a 13 year-old girl. There may be other victims. Check: INT: Pastor arrested in sex abuse case
California: Pastor Clevon Little accused of rape. Osbourne has a previous conviction for the same crime. Check: Oak Park pastor investigated in new rape case - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee

Delaware: Pastors Jamaar and Rhonda Manlove charged with 21 felony counts of mortgage fraud, possibly the largest such case in state history. Check: Delaware crime: Pastors accused in mortgage scheme | delawareonline.com | The News Journal

Florida: Father Kenneth Hasselbach convicted of possession of child pornography. Hasselbach was previously accused of sexually molesting an altar boy. Check: Priest gets 2 years in child-porn case - Broward - MiamiHerald.com

Louisiana: Pastor Burcham Warren pleads guilty to molesting an 11 year-old girl.Check:Former Stanley preacher guilty of molesting preteen | shreveporttimes.com | Shreveport Times

Maryland: Father Thomas Bevan charged with multiple counts of molesting boys.Check: Criminal charges filed against retired priest; bail set at $25,000 - The Frederick News-Post Online

Minnesota: Pastor John Erbele pleads guilty to soliciting prostitution. Check: Former pastor pleads guilty to soliciting prostitute | Shakopee Valley News
Minnesota: Pastor Danial Barnes sentenced to 11 years in prison for assault, burglary, and kidnapping. See: http://www.morrissuntribune.com/event/account:login/desturl/event/article/id/20702/group/home/

Missouri: Pastor Wayne Hudson charged with child molestation. Check: Pastor gets prison for assault, kidnapping | Morris Sun Tribune | Morris, Minnesota

New Hampshire: Pastor Timothy Dillmuth charged with failing to report child abuse. Check: Police: Church officials didn't report sex abuse - Friday, Feb. 5, 2010

New Jersey: Pastor Gregor Woodcuff arrested on multiple counts of sexually assaulting an underage girl. Check: Pastor at Mullica Hill church arrested for sexual assault on underage girl | Camden County - - NJ.com

New York: Pastor Humberto Cruz convicted on ten counts of child molestation. Check: Jury finds former pastor guilty in child sexual-abuse case | recordonline.com
New York: Imam Zulqarnain Abdu-Shahid arrested for smuggling box cutters into a Manhattan jail. Abdu-Shahid has served 14 years in prison for a 1979 murder conviction. Chcek: Corrections Department imam arrested for smuggling blades into jail - NYPOST.com

Pennsylvania: Father Ralph Johnson charged with 45 counts of sexual abuse of a minor. Check: Former priest faces 45 charges in Susquehanna County - News 10 Now

Wisconsin: Father Edmund Donkor-Baine charged with sexual assault. Check: Priest accused of assault in western Wisconsin - chicagotribune.com

See you in another seven or twelve days. :biggrin1:

 

[B_starinvestor]

It is difficult to understand how the religious ppl blindly follow the writings of a fairy tale - and many face financial difficulties because they deem in necessary to give 10% of thier income to 'God.'

Fools. And pastors, for the most part, are a joke.

The behavioral resemblences to millions of people and the unconditional worship of Obama are striking.

Complete, unmitigated worship without an ounce of independent thinking.

And the corruption and betrayal in the White House is eerily similar to the criminal tendencies that are laid out in this thread.

Birds of a feather.

 

[midlifebear]

Well, Starbubba, if and when President Obama is charged and convicted of molesting children, bribing or stealing widow's pensions, or mail fraud I promise to make sure it's listed here. But don't hold your breath.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Well, Starbubba, if and when President Obama is charged and convicted of molesting children, bribing or stealing widow's pensions, or mail fraud I promise to make sure it's listed here. But don't hold your breath.

Thanks, Midlife. I doubt he would steal since slumlords, ACORN and radical Muslim groups have been lining his pockets for the past decade.

But bribing is something that will probably surface at some point.

 

[midlifebear]

Thanks, Midlife. I doubt he would steal since slumlords, ACORN and radical Muslim groups have been lining his pockets for the past decade.

But bribing is something that will probably surface at some point.

Attribution, attribution, and more attribution. Without it you're pulling troll poop out of your pants. Just "Because I say so" doesn't cut it, o' stupid child.

 

[ZOS23xy]

You know, you could post a series about the other religions that affect the USA--Football, baseball and basketball....lots of thugs and thieves and wife beaters who get paid top dollar and are worshipped as 'heroes" for some reason.

 

[midlifebear]

Dear ZOS23xy:

I'm sure you're on to something. However, I'll leave that thread up to you. I haven't a clue about organized sports -- except for Mens Downhill Grand Slalom. I know enough about fútball to enjoy watching it. I even understand the scoring system. But them thar 'Mericuhn sports were something I never had any luck to learn to play (farm boy, here . . . worked all summer -- and fall, winter, spring).

I just came across this bit of fluff from down under, so our Australian LPSG-ers don't think I have purposefully left them out.
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Australia: Australia: Father Richard Abourjaily has been reassigned from Sydney to Perth after being caught defrauding his congregants by claiming he had prostate cancer and desperately needed money in order to visit the miraculous healing waters of Lourdes, France. Abourjaily was previously dismissed from a seminary in Lincoln, Nebraska for pulling the same scam, but his Australian overseers totally swear he won't do it for a third time in Perth. Check: Father Richard Abourjaily (Thanks for the tip my god Joe!)

By the way, The Sydney Morning Times is a great source for information on what's happening in the Southern Hemisphere for those who don't speak Spanish. And it's free on-line. Imagine!

 

[midlifebear]

Doesn’t it make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that three or four times a month a quick sofware search can find -- and verify -- that god’s army is as morally corrupt as the MAFIA?

First, the icky-est most venal christian of the past week:

California: Pastor Wiley Drake has claimed credit for the death of Rep. John Murtha, who died of gallbladder surgery complications last week. According to Drake, it was his 30-day run of imprecatory prayers for the death of Murtha that did the Congressman in. For those who may not know, an imprecatory prayer is one where you pray for the death or bad luck, ill health, etc., of another fellow human. For example, “Dear god, please kill Kenny because he has more toys than I do.” Last year Pastor Drake gained national attention during his prayer campaign for the death of President Obama. Drake is also campaigning to be named president of the Southern Baptists Convention. -- Southern Baptist Pastor admits murdering John... | Gather

Now for the more pedestrian religious assholes the machine search found. By the way, there are plenty more, these are just the ones I found in English.

Illinois: Father Alejandro Flores charged with seven felony counts of child molestation. -- Priest accused of molestation gets new judge, date - Batavia, IL - Batavia Republican
Illinois: Pastor Mark List charged with aggravated criminal sexual abuse of a child. -- The Commercial-News, Danville, IL - Associate pastor faces sex charges

Indiana: Father Francis Markey will be extradited to Ireland where he is charged with the 1968 rape of a boy. -- Judge will not block extradition of priest | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind.

Ireland: Irish Catholics call for the resignation of Cardinal Bernard Law over massive nationwide child molestation scandal. Law, an American, selects Ireland's bishops. -- wbur.org News Irish Catholics Call For Cardinal Law’s Resignation, Following Clergy Abuse Report


Pennsylvania: Father James Shimsky busted in cocaine buy. -- Scranton-area Catholic priest arrested for alleged cocaine buy in Philadelphia - News - The Times-Tribune
Pennsylvania: Pastor Phil Marmon sentenced to prison for propositioning a child over the internet. -- Former Pa. pastor sentenced for soliciting teen - 21 News Now, More Local News for Youngstown, Ohio -

Michigan: Pastor Russel Schaller charged with six counts of child molestation. -- Pastor Charged With Criminal Sexual Conduct || WXYZ.com | WXYZ-TV / Detroit | Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More

New Hampshire: Pastor Robert Farah accused of aiding son in $2M housing scam. -- Concord Monitor - Lawyers: Scam benefited pastor


Ohio: Father Robert Polandl charged with three felony counts of child molestation. -- Cincinnati Priest to be Arraigned on Sexual Abuse Charges - WOWK-TV - WOWKTV.com

Vancouver: Youth Pastor Brad Firth is still on Anglican payroll after child molestation conviction. -- B.C. church still paying youth pastor convicted of pedophilia

Virginia: Pastor Jack Duffer convicted of nine felony counts of child molestation. -- Former youth pastor guilty of sex assaults - dailypress.com

And you all be sure ot have a good day. :smile:

 

[midlifebear]

Well, is seems most LPSG-ers aren't interested in that fact that god's messengers are just as interested in stealing the virginity of adolescent boys and girls, embezzlement, whacking off on-line to meet teenagers and most often than not giving blow jobs as the genuflect. But it never ceases to amuse (and sadden) me.

Here's a round up (with real links to real news outlets) of what has been happening over the last week or so.

California: Pastor John Albert Kleinpeter pleads guilty to using a hidden camera to take photos up women's skirts at a shopping mall. Heh, "Kleinpeter." Pastor in hidden-camera case pleads guilty | Lake Elsinore | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

Florida: Pastor Gaston Smith convicted of stealing funds from a charity he set up to aide impoverished seniors. South Florida Times: Miami , Broward, Palm Beach, Breaking News & Weather at SFLTimes.com - Pastor gets five years probation in theft case

Ireland: Father Ronald Bennett pleads guilty to multiple counts of child molestation. Convicted priest (75) pleads guilty to further sex assaults - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 27, 2010

Louisiana: Pastor Joseph Jones charged with multiple felony counts of dumping untreated human sewage from the six subdivisions he manages. Pastor charged in illegal dumping | dailyworld.com | Daily World

Kentucky: Pastor Marion Barnes charged with five felony counts of child molestation. Pastor arrested on teen sex abuse charges - WAVE 3 TV Louisville, KY |

Mississippi: Youth pastor Stephen Brown charged with multiples counts of possessing child pornography. dailygleaner.com - Ex-pastor gets six months in jail for 1970s sex crime | By BRYAN TAIT - Breaking News, New Brunswick, Canada

New Brunswick: Pastor Frederick Hanson convicted of sexually assaulting an 11 year-old girl. dailygleaner.com - Ex-pastor gets six months in jail for 1970s sex crime | By BRYAN TAIT - Breaking News, New Brunswick, Canada

New York: Rabbi Milton Balkany charged with attempting to extort $4M from a hedge fund by claiming he had knowledge of insider trading. N.Y. rabbi arrested in extortion case - Los Angeles Times

North Carolina: Pastor Ronnie Lee Jones confesses to felony embezzlement charges after being caught stealing from his church's treasury. Local pastor arrested | Salisbury, NC - Salisbury Post

South Carolina: Pastor Arley Atchley charged with molesting two boys. Sheriff: Pamplico pastor arrested, charged in child molestation case - WMBFNews.com | Myrtle Beach/Florence, SC | News, Weather, Sports Local pastor arrested, charged with indecency with a child Breaking News The Palestine Herald, Palestine, Texas

Texas: Pastor Hezekiah Stallwork charged with molesting a seven year-old girl. Other victims are expected to come forward. Local pastor arrested, charged with indecency with a child Breaking News The Palestine Herald, Palestine, Texas

New York: Father Ralph Johnson arrested on 15 felony counts of molesting boys. Retired Pastor Arrested for Molestation | WBNG-TV: News Sports, Weather Binghamton, New York | Local Top Stories

Sydney: Father Robert Fuller convicted of masturbating over a webcam to a police officer he believed to be a 13 year-old girl. Online masturbating priest jailed

I cam across this REALLY GOOD piece on Pastor Martin Ssempa who spreads the word of god in Uganda. He screened hardcore gay porn during church services to 300 parishioners last week in an attempt to increase support for his "kill gays" bill. But this move has seemed to back fire. Fellow pastors across Uganda condemned Ssempa for disrespecting a house of worship. And a few are calling for his arrest for violating anti-pornography laws. Sadly, only a few. And even worse, the Ugandan newspaper link has been taken down. So, if any of you know of an alternate news source on this asshole's shenanigans, please let me know. He's VERY interested in killing all gay men and women -- and probably some puppies and kittens, too.

 

[midlifebear]

Well, yesterday was March 7th, 2010 -- just five days ago I did a machine search for holy folks doing unholy things and posted the resulting shenanigans. How do church pastors, reverends, rabbis, and the brother of the pope find the time to create such mischief? Hell, it's all I can do to remember to fuck and suck The Squeeze on a regular basis.

Entonces, for your reading edification, here is yet another list of sexual abuse and criminal high jinx provided by those who represent the World's religions. My favorite is . . . well, they are all so icky I really don't have a favorite. As usual, click on associated link for access to the complete article.

Alabama: Pastor William Curtin busted in prostitution sting. Pastor Arrested In Prostitution Sting - Mobile Alabama - WKRG.com

California: Pastor Anthony Garduno pleads guilty to four felony counts of meth dealing. Check the Riverside police blotter. Crime and Public Safety, March 2 - ContraCostaTimes.com

Colorado: Pastor Loren Ankarlo arrested in $750K securities fraud scheme. Former Boulder pastor, two others suspected in investment scheme - Boulder Daily Camera

Florida: Youth Pastor Eric Spandorf busted for selling child pornography. Online 'Pastor' Arrested in Child Porn Bust - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

Florida: Youth Pastor Joel Price confesses to possession of massive child porn collection. Former Youth Pastor Charged In Child Porn Case | Gather

Germany: And, of course, one holds a child molestation scandal better than the Catholics Church. Among several Catholic schools one now includes a boys choir once headed by Pope Ratzinger's brother, Georg. More than 170 alumni from the schools have charged that they were molested by priests and school employees. The Vatican may look into it. But they are not in any hurry. The Associated Press: Prominent German boys' choir faces abuse claims


Nebraska: Youth Pastor Mark Hild arrested for sexual assault on 11 year-old girl. Former Youth Director Arrested for Sexual Assault - Action 3 News - Omaha, Nebraska News, Weather, and Sports |

New York: Rabbi Baruch Lebovits begins trial on multiple charges of child molestation. Brooklyn man testifies Rabbi Baruch Lebovitz molested him as teenager



Pennsylvania: Pastor Thomas Croyle charged with embezzling $83K from church charity. The Tribune Democrat, Johnstown, PA - Ex-pastor’s embezzling charge leads to closing of charity


Spain: Father Samuel Martin (chekc him out, he’s quite the bear) busted for prostituting himself to "women and couples." Spanish priest offered sexual services and spent church funds on pornography - Telegraph

Texas: Pastor Hezekiah Stallworth accused by two more victims after arrest for molesting 7 year-old girl. More victims come forward in case against pastor Breaking News The Palestine Herald, Palestine, Texas