Homophobia and the Church

[playainda336]

Feeling persecuted honey? Poor lamby

Actually, no. I just pointed that out to show how much hypocrisy, you've been spouting out.

Okay then I don't 'agree' with your being black but go ahead and practice it.

Too bad being Black isn't a behavior...and it's a skin color. But maybe I'm wrong, and homosexuality is a skin color. I'm so enlightened!

Fuck man! You're all over the spectrum.

Maybe I've not been too clear, but in all my posts, I attempt to pose more than one arguement for why I presume one conclusion. But I thought the conclusion was pretty clear. If not, ask a few specific questions next time and I'll give you a few specific answers. But, I could've sworn this was discussion.

'no choice'?? Methinks I sense a feeling of resentment in that dubious 'acceptance' you anticipate having to endure..:tongue:

"Denial is more than a river in Egypt"

...again. LMAO. How mature are we? Challenging one's sexuality because they disagree with you and your stance. *tch tch* Temper, temper...

Au contraire. I'm say it's genetic because I am it.:wink:

dogmatism (n.) - arrogant, stubborn assertation of one's opinion or belief

"Moral Dogmatism

- One option is to simply shout out our opinions more and more loudly, or to resort to other anti-intellectual tactics. Some people simply assume that they have the correct moral opinions and refuse to consider to possibility that they might be wrong. This attitude is called 'dogmatism.' Dogmatism is the holding of a belief without being willing to discuss it, or offer any reasons to support it, or to consider any opposing viewpoint. People who hold an opinion dogmatically often assume that their opinion is so obviously true that they do not need any reasons for it. Hence, a dogmatist will typically refuse to give any reasons or rational arguements to support the dogmatic opinion. This is not the way rational persons should behave of course, but it does happen (as anyone who has seen the Jerry Springer Show can attest."

http://www.chsbs.cmich.edu/Robert_Noggle/phl-118/moral relativism.htm

The mere fact that you completely dismiss the possibility that you could be wrong and see "faulter" in the fact I consider a possibility that I could be wrong shows how dogmatic you're being about this. I merely said it has not been proven that sexuality is genetic. All signs point to psychological or behavioral.

'a few'? You read selectively don't you? Go back and read what Doc Rock wrote you baby doll.

I read everything.

Yes, yes I am. I'm biased against stupid white and sadly now some black males. I thought somehow in my naivite that you'd know better. Wrong.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

That 'room' you speak of has already been given centuries of unproven credence. On to legitimate science. When we're done I'll go looking for you in your Garden of Eden

...right.

"LMAO" is, I should think, a "webism" left better for light chatroom activities. It just makes you seem silly. And I see you refuse to peruse that website. I'd fuck with your reality too much.

It is. Do you know anything about the communication model? If I relay a message, you understand, and respond, then I have effectively used it. Words and letters are mere arbitrary symbols. I assumed you might have known that.

I know what I'll do I'll pray for you! Yes, that's what I'll do!!:biggrin1:

I appreciate it, I guess.

 

[B_Stronzo]

Check please.

Willingly.

Pay it and screw.

Pat Roberston needs a flunkie fundie

Basta cosi. Now you're simply feeding your own disfunction.

 

[JustAsking]

Behold the true mantelpiece of Christianity: the almighty Paul! Romans 1:26, 27 doesn't mean what you think it means, though. IMHO, of course.

Dil,
Don't stop there! I would love it if someone showed me a way to make those two passages go away in terms of condemning homosexuality.

 

[playainda336]

Willingly.

Pay it and screw.

Pat Roberston needs a flunkie fundie

Basta cosi. Now you're simply feeding your own disfunction.

How so?

dysfunction*...derived from Latin roots, if I'm correct.

I still don't see how I'm aligned with Pat Robertson.

You're still being very much so dogmatic. The purpose of discussion is to enlighten and all you're doing is acting like a rabid dog...with all the name calling and insults, mind you.

But if you've had enough, then I guess I can stop. Though, walking away mad isn't the same as agreeing to disagree. Which I still can't see why you have so big of a problem doing...

 

[Dr Rock]

Joseph definately wasn't a Greek.

he also most likely wasn't jesus' father - hell, even according to your jokebook, he didn't claim to be.

So homosexuality is passed by someone's gay father/mother, now?

the problem here is that you are too ignorant to sustain a rational debate on the subject matter, kiddo. go read up on the basic principles of genetic dissemination, then we'll revisit this discussion (or not, since it's now abundantly clear that the basis of your argument is the simple fact that you know precisely jack shit about genetic science).

I said that sexuality is a BEHAVIORAL trait. Which, so many people have proven with all these links to "psychological" websites. Because homosexuality is genetic. That's why it's studied by psychologists.

bzzzzt. your logic just shit itself again. psychologists study the psychological aspects of all human behavior, because all human behavior has psychological aspects. psychology is not the science of mental aberration or imbalance - that's psychiatry. i realize that you were probably too busy fucking a pig to notice the distinction, but there it is. psychologists have studied sexuality in an attempt to figure out how much of it is nurture vs nature, and so far it's all come down pretty conclusively on the side of nature - and that applies to everyone, regardless of their particular "orientation" or whatever. most people already know this - your ignorance may not be your own fault, but your refusal to accept and deal with it certainly is.

I said that homosexuality had NOTHING to do with genes. Uhhh yeah.

if you canvassed a random selection of heterosexuals and a random selection of homosexuals, you would NOT find any difference between the varying natures of the two groups' upbringing.

Which doesn't negate the fact that sexuality is a behavioral trait. In fact, it's more proof that it is behavioral. Because genetically, the two are the same.

READ -> COMPREHEND -> RESPOND. try harder next time.

 

[B_Stronzo]

But if you've had enough, then I guess I can stop. Though, walking away mad isn't the same as agreeing to disagree. Which I still can't see why you have so big of a problem doing...

Can you stop? Here's your chance. Try it. Or at least comment on something other than you fear and loathing of gay people. Is that all you have to contribute to this board; the simple annoyance (and ignorance) of our resident antagonist?

Surely, I've had more than enough of your endless repetition while you restate yourself over and over again only to repeatedly say:

"I'll tolerate fags but God condemns them. However my enslaved ancestors bear up perfectly well under Biblical scrutiny" Uh huh. In truth I doubt you have any.

Which I still can't see why you have so big ofo [sic] a problem doing...

Well there's always you coming back for more nightly now isn't there?
Coming back for more abuse in a message board where you've been outed by all thoughtful posters for the bigot you are. What's your agenda little man?

As I said; 'feeding your dysfuntion'.

You appear to be largely disenfranchised from society in general hence your need for negative attention.

I'm quite certain your gallery photos aren't you either. Nah, they're not. You're just posturing yourself a certain way. You've never once addressed the incongruities of the Bible on slavery so it's pretty telling you're a charatan on several levels.

Oh well. Stay put. You're fun to unnerve...:biggrin1:

 

[B_Stronzo]

Oh and playainda?

You're a gay male. Face it.:biggrin1:

Tweak your Bible to your heart's content but doll? A queen is a queen is a QUEEN. And you're so obviously gay it jumps from the page. Pity you're not hotter. That may well be what's really the issue with you.:redface:

You need to suck cock to stop that foul mouth of yours.

 

[Lex]

STRONZO... ooo

 

[B_Stronzo]

Oh fuck her Lex.

It's painfully obvious.

 

[madame_zora]

Bwahahahaha!

 

[Lex]

Oh fuck her Lex.

It's painfully obvious.

After YOU....




I thought not.

 

[playainda336]

LOL.

Sorry for being so damn persistant, but again...would it be better that I just say "You're right, I'm wrong...I'm such a douche!" if I don't feel that way? I'm just a persistant little bugger...and to be honest, I think you're hilarious. But seriously, if I felt bad, nay....abused, yet, because a bunch of people on the internet "attacked" me verbally, I really would be less of a man. I keep addressing the whole Biblical slavery arguement, and I guess you keep looking over that. I'm sorry, you feel that I'm gay and the pictures in my gallery aren't mine. I guess I just photoshopped the sign with my username in it or something, huh? *shakes head*

Oh and Dr Rock, I still don't see how a study on genetically identical twins proves that sexuality is genetic. If they were genetically identical, and sexuality was genetic, then both would be straight or gay.

It really would be sad if I notated my sexuality by a comment by one person on the internet, or even that one person's "nut huggers" (in a figurative sense, but if you take it that way...). And it be even sadder if I backed down just because I faced opposition. People didn't like what Jesus had to say either, so why should I expect people to like what I have to say. But alas, I'll stop. Besides, you can't hold a sound discussiong facing against dogmatism.

 

[B_Stronzo]

LOL.

Sorry for being so damn persistant, but again...would it be better that I just say "You're right, I'm wrong...I'm such a douche!" if I don't feel that way? I'm just a persistant little bugger...and to be honest, I think you're hilarious. But seriously, if I felt bad, nay....abused, yet, because a bunch of people on the internet "attacked" me verbally, I really would be less of a man. I keep addressing the whole Biblical slavery arguement, and I guess you keep looking over that. I'm sorry, you feel that I'm gay and the pictures in my gallery aren't mine. I guess I just photoshopped the sign with my username in it or something, huh? *shakes head*

Oh and Dr Rock, I still don't see how a study on genetically identical twins proves that sexuality is genetic. If they were genetically identical, and sexuality was genetic, then both would be straight or gay.

It really would be sad if I notated my sexuality by a comment by one person on the internet, or even that one person's "nut huggers" (in a figurative sense, but if you take it that way...). And it be even sadder if I backed down just because I faced opposition. People didn't like what Jesus had to say either, so why should I expect people to like what I have to say. But alas, I'll stop. Besides, you can't hold a sound discussiong facing against dogmatism.

I'm sure God in Her infinite wisdom forgives you.

 

[Dr Rock]

Oh and Dr Rock, I still don't see how a study on genetically identical twins proves that sexuality is genetic.

neither do i ... but then i never actually said anything about identical twins

People didn't like what Jesus had to say either, so why should I expect people to like what I have to say.

ahh, the christ complex. i was wondering when we'd get to this stage.

Besides, you can't hold a sound discussiong facing against dogmatism.

ain't that the truth.

 

[Shelby]

Probably not enough and too slow for some, but being optimistic, I think this is probably encouraging.
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[Lex]

Thanks for that link Shelby.

 

[Shelby]

You're most welcome Lex.

I'm only an asshole most of the time.:tongue22:
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[madame_zora]

You're most welcome Lex.

I'm only an asshole most of the time.:tongue22:

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Ha, you've outed yourself before.

Personally, I am encouraged by this for another reason. I think the generational change will not be that the infrastructures of the churches will be improved, I think they'll keep following the conservative roads that MY generation find so comforting. I can only apologise to the world for my generation so many times, but it is heartfelt.

I believe the result will be that the twenty-somethings will reject religion altogether as the "truth" on any level, and maybe even find it in their hearts to forgive their parents for fucking up their heads, even though they were well meaning enough. I hope I live long enough to see most of my peers die, I really think we're a pretty horrible lot. Our parenting skills are abhorant, and we have no idea what "value" means, which is why it's so easy to program us with the sound-byte driven commercialism that runs our nation. If we had any scruples at all, we wouldn't be so easily led astray. ALL we've taken away from our religous experiences is the dogma and the shame.

You young people, I hope you do better. I can't wait to see you have your moment in the sun.

 

[Lex]

You young people, I hope you do better. I can't wait to see you have your moment in the sun.

Generation M (or the Net Gen) is truly our last hope. They are connected to each other and information in ways we were not. They will have the power to shape their own consciousness and effect global change. I am optimistic about what they will achieve.

 

[D_Melburn Pudmuncher]

I was raised in a religious environment. Not nutty strict but I was taught that the moral laws of the Bible and following God's law especially in sexual matters are more of a protection for us rather than a restriction from enjoying our lives. The idea being that those who obey the biblical morals would unlikely have a child out of wedlock, an STD, a broken marriage and family caused by infidelity, be child molesters, wind up in prison and on and on. Made sense to me...I never had anyone with an agenda use the bible as a threat or as a tool to prove of how right or extra virtuous they were. Then Poof...out into the real world I went. I saw and heard some of the crazy stuff people have done and were doing in the name of religion. I never could see why being gay was worse than being a drunk or wife beater or adulterer but those bible thumpers made it out that being gay was the worst of the lot. It’s no wonder people were disillusioned by religion or doubted the existence of God. I saw how much fun the naughty boys and girls were having. Their unfettered lifestyles seemed a so much easier, more fun. No matter how tempted I was, I couldn't cast of the conscience I had ended up with. By comparison I was repressed a square in a cool guys body they made it seem. I didn’t try to influence them but they advised me to live a little. I’ve had my share of fun a lot of close calls and temptations but am now seeing the wisdom of what I was taught way back then. I see friends who look like may be they had a little too much fun, looking much older than their age, sort of a little burnt out. I hear the stories of the fun times and of the great losses. Sometimes boring is good I guess. By boring I don’t mean living a dull life, but being reigned in a little by the old rules you ended up believing were true.
I just figure all this stuff was going on before I got here and probably will be long after. Just let God handle the big picture. I heard someone say that being a Christian is like going to the movies and keeping your eyes shut the whole time. Then at the end asking the manager for your money back.
I'm attempting to lead my life with eyes wide open most of the time I think, applying those old tried and true safeguards as much as I am able, doing as little damage to myself and others as possible. I don't expect a reward at the end just an easier time while I'm here. So far so good :smile: