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It seems to me that because the christian rightwingers are so down on gay people, that they get more bad press about sexual activity. My straight girl & guy friends are as slutty as they come (which I think is a great thing). No one ever does an article about how promiscuous heterosexuals are, except the occasional news story about congressmen and hoes.
 

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I had heard before that gays tend to have huge numbers of partners so I did a yahoo search for something along those lines because I wanted to see data. And I know nothing about the FRC.

1) Family Research Council is crap

2) The myth that Gay man have LOTS AND LOTS OF SEX ALL THE TIME WITH MANY DIFFERENT PARTNERS is probably the leading cause of homophobia among straight men....they're jealous!
 

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Oh boy, here we go! .... When I say that I support gays fully, I mean that if they are being self destructive, and they probably are, then I want to help them any way that I can.

Crap.

I don't need your permission, sympathy, or pity. What I need is for people to stop voting for and electing politicians who use gays as political fodder and deny us basic civil rights (Marriage) That is all.
 

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I had heard before that gays tend to have huge numbers of partners so I did a yahoo search for something along those lines because I wanted to see data. And I know nothing about the FRC.
See, that's part of the problem. And that's one of the reasons I asked a couple of questions before posting any further. The FRC actually does no real research. Their methods are a bit like if I were to see a single video of a guy picking his nose in public, then publishing my results as "all men pick their noses in public." They take anecdotal evidence from one person, and extrapolate that one instance to be standard. Perhaps they did interview one guy who had thousands of sex partners. That's hardly common. They have no ethical concerns with inventing statistics and publishing them as factual. Then Westboro Baptist Church posts the "findings" of the FRC on their own website, as factual research. Then FRC uses WBC reports as confirmation of their own "findings." Concerned Women for America is also involved in this little scheme. It's an inventive and incestuous research model.

So you chose the site that is clearly homophobic and want to use that as the basis of your "research"?

It sounds like you have an agenda and impartiality is not a part of it.
Slow down, chico. It's not time to jump to a conclusion just yet. He is asking about the veracity of the FRC. We need to educate him about that before we start the lynching. We know better, but he was probably, at least in part, mislead from the start simply by reading the name of the organization.

I've posted in several threads about how hate groups (cunningly) use very wholesome, innocuous-sounding names, in order to lure in more members.
Remnant Outreach Ministries, Rescue Without Borders, Family Research Institute, Creativity Movement, European American Issues Forum, Council of Conservative Citizens, Center for Perpetual Diversity, Heritage and Destiny, Americans for Self Determination... these are all hate groups tracked by the Southern Poverty Center. You would never know it by those names, right?

The point I'm getting at is that you really should know your sources before you use their resources.
 

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given the chance, maybe the average man is more proniscuous than the average woman.

straight men are being held back by those damn frigid females!

sarcasm!!!
 

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What I generally don't care for militant activists of anykind...what a mean spirited group of people if I ever met. At least this report is talking about the effects of sexual promiscuity and not bringing
in religion. (Try having a reasonable conversation with someone who only believes their version of the bible) But AIDS and sexual disease is a big problem..and for anyone to deny that...well..they just have their head in the sand.
 

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What I generally don't care for militant activists of anykind...what a mean spirited group of people if I ever met. At least this report is talking about the effects of sexual promiscuity and not bringing
in religion. (Try having a reasonable conversation with someone who only believes their version of the bible) But AIDS and sexual disease is a big problem..and for anyone to deny that...well..they just have their head in the sand.
Have you read any of the above posts? Do you understand what FRC is doing? Did you read the linked page? Not bringing in religion? Are you kidding me? It's even worse when it's done surreptitiously.

I STRONGLY urge you to read the linked page; read the homepage for the author of citation 16; and go back to the first linked page in the OP, click on "about FRC". Do you want to talk about mean-spirited activists? Check on the FRC, its quoted-out-of-context sources, and its quoted-in-full sources.

Please, do a modicum of research before you present opinions like this.
 

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I had heard before that gays tend to have huge numbers of partners so I did a yahoo search for something along those lines ...


andy112311 has already done a thread on this topic, grandunification, using bogus information as follows:

"Originally Posted by andy112311 http://www.lpsg.org/sex-with-a-large-penis/36126-cum-eating-post602897.html#post602897http://www.lpsg.org/images36/buttons/viewpost.gif
... gays average somewhere between 106 and 1105 different partners/year, the potential for infection is considerable."...

quotation from a spurious anti-gay propaganda website:
MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO


That bogus information and the FRC were discredited and discussed in that thread:

http://www.lpsg.org/sex-with-a-large-penis/36126-cum-eating-7.html?highlight=catholic

See this post in particular :

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Hmmmmm. Where does it mention the 50% Divorce rate in Straight Couples?

Or all those homosexually afflicted clergy?

While the unprotected gay youth health scare is real and a problem, the political atmosphere of the last few years can hardly be called conducive to prevention.... to skew this into propaganda makes me ill....
 

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Everybody keeps screaming about me using data from the FRC. That's why I posted another link with no religious ties at all. Nobody seems brave enough to comment on that.

That's funny. I was just saying to myself that you don't seem brave enough to answer my post (#19).

Well? Time to show us what you're actually made of.
 

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LOL.

If you truly want to help lesbians and gays, grandunification, you will actively take up the fight against homophobia and anti-gay discrimination in society. Because those are the biggest problems we face.

You can start by challenging the organization from which you took the article opening post. Go ahead -- write them a letter challenging their anti-gay bias, and post it here for us to see.

If you do that, not only might I then believe that you actually want to "help" gay people, I will be able to offer a much more detailed response to the question you initially posed.

I'm Catholic and believe in their ideas about homosexuality. That being said, I agree with a lot of what the FRC has to say. So no, I'm not going to challenge a group that's on my side. I love gays and don't want to see them die the tragic deaths they so often do. I just want to find a way to help. Please don't be mad at me. I'm not mad at you.
 

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I'm Catholic and believe in their ideas about homosexuality. That being said, I agree with a lot of what the FRC has to say. So no, I'm not going to challenge a group that's on my side. I love gays and don't want to see them die the tragic deaths they so often do. I just want to find a way to help. Please don't be mad at me. I'm not mad at you.
tell me i'm not the only one who fell over laughing at this!
 

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tell me i'm not the only one who fell over laughing at this!

My take was that he is a young person who has not yet for himself critically examined what he has been fed. That is still giving his sincerity and the goodwill he claims the benefit of the doubt. He does seem to keep circling back, regardless of the posts that have been made refuting the propaganda of this organization. (BTW that is a word invented by the RC church, the Propaganda is the short name for the Congregatio Sacra de Propaganda Fidei, the Sacred Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith)
I attended parochial school, though I am not a Catholic, I have been observing for several decades, I have several friends who are in orders. I saw the liberals and progressives within the church from the Vatican II period suppressed by a very monarchical Pope. The sponsoring of Dignity chapters and the use of church facilities, and inclusiveness, once fairly common, were forbidden. The church has actively used their resources to oppose equal rights. For example, here in Alaska they raised tens of thousands to support a discriminatory constitutional amendment, and on another occasion had their team of lawyers file an amicus brief opposing equal pay for equal work for public employees.
For an organization whose clergy are estimated to be gay at a rate two to five times that of the general population, that is a bit schizophrenic.
The official position taken is the result of the dominance of a reactionary faction.
 

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I'm Catholic and believe in their ideas about homosexuality. That being said, I agree with a lot of what the FRC has to say. So no, I'm not going to challenge a group that's on my side. I love gays and don't want to see them die the tragic deaths they so often do. I just want to find a way to help. Please don't be mad at me. I'm not mad at you.

Thanks for answering my question and being honest about your real agenda. And don't worry, I'm not mad; just unwilling to be deceived.

It's homophobia that is killing us, directly or indirectly. And you are very, very much a party to that. In order to help, you would have to do a 180-degree turn and fundamentally change your belief systems and actions. Until then, you CANNOT help, and in fact are NOT helping. Even by baiting us with this thread, you are perpetuating the problem. Our blood is on your hands too, whether you ever come to understand that or not.

A child could see that any alleged higher incidence of the so-called self-destructive behavior you describe is a predictable consequence of internalizing the contempt that society has for us -- contempt that is epitomized by the Family Resource Council and its pawns.
 

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Have you read any of the above posts? Do you understand what FRC is doing? Did you read the linked page? Not bringing in religion? Are you kidding me? It's even worse when it's done surreptitiously.

I STRONGLY urge you to read the linked page; read the homepage for the author of citation 16; and go back to the first linked page in the OP, click on "about FRC". Do you want to talk about mean-spirited activists? Check on the FRC, its quoted-out-of-context sources, and its quoted-in-full sources.

Please, do a modicum of research before you present opinions like this.


Yes...that is exactly what I mean by mean spirited:smile:
 

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Everybody keeps screaming about me using data from the FRC. That's why I posted another link with no religious ties at all. Nobody seems brave enough to comment on that.
I read your other link. It's an op-ed type of article, not a factual report. Not only that, it pretty much completely refutes about 80% of the FRC report.
I'm Catholic and believe in their ideas about homosexuality. That being said, I agree with a lot of what the FRC has to say. So no, I'm not going to challenge a group that's on my side. I love gays and don't want to see them die the tragic deaths they so often do. I just want to find a way to help. Please don't be mad at me. I'm not mad at you.
I'm not mad at you, I'll start with that. I just think that your church (not you or any individual, but the Vatican Corporation) is horribly corrupt, has outdated and incorrect dogmas, and uses its influence for financial and political gain.

$660,000,000.00 (pocket change)

Just a little advice - if you are trying to reinforce what you already choose to believe about someone you find morally repugnant, then of course reading FRC-type reports will do exactly that. If you are trying to test, examine, justify, and most importantly, verify your existing beliefs, read information from the opposing view.

If strawberry is your favorite ice cream, because you have never tried any other flavor, then you can reinforce your preference for strawberry ice cream by eating only strawberry ice cream. If you want to find out if strawberry is indeed your favorite, try lots of other flavors. If you find one you like better, you have to re-evaluate your previous assumption. If you still like strawberry better, then you have validated your preference. When you discuss your views of homosexuality, you will come across much better if your views have been validated, rather than simply reinforced.

Yes...that is exactly what I mean by mean spirited:smile:
Alright, I will be dense here. Please be less obtuse and more succinct in explaining your previous post to me.