Homosexuals Should be Imprisoned

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we should likewise put active homosexuals through an effective reparative therapy program.

"Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine..."

The bottom line here is that, biblically, those "who practice homosexuality" should come under the purview of the law just as much as those who take people captive in order to sell them into slavery.


Bryan Fischer



Bryan Fisher. Now there's a man I can get behind. Or who, homosexually speaking, wants to get behind me.
 

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Those are the ones who are really humanists, not Christians. It is a good thing.
The two, Christian and Humanist, are not mutually exclusive. The central tenet of Christianity, indeed fundamental to all major world religions, is quite simple and quite Humanist in its intent:

Love thy neighbor, and do unto others.

It is unfortunate that there are many Christians (or Muslims, etc.) who are hypocrites and fail to practice, or even understand, this fundamental guiding principle. It is unfortunate that they get so much attention, just as it is unfortunate that the media focuses on the most outrageous examples of behavior in its depiction of gay people. They are representative of some, certainly not all.

There are many people who go about their daily lives consciously trying to do good in the world. For many it helps them to have a specific faith and an organized religion to find fellowship and keep them on that path. If that is what they require, what they choose, what they believe, I do not judge that. If they are sincere and do not push their beliefs on me, I applaud that.

For others it is not necessary to be so structured. As for me, my spiritual house has many windows. I like seeing the view from all of them. Same view, slightly different perspective. And I try not to cast stones.
 
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{QUOTE}
Legal Sanctions for Homosexual Behavior

It might be worth noting that what I actually suggested is that we impose the same sanctions on those who engage in homosexual behavior as we do on those who engage in intravenous drug abuse, since both pose the same kind of risk of contracting HIV/AIDS...

Paul lists quite explicitly in 1 Timothy 1:8-11 the actions and behaviors that are the proper concern of the law:

"Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for fornicators/whoremongers, men who practice homosexuality, en-slavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine..."

The bottom line here is that, biblically, those "who practice homosexuality" should come under the purview of the law just as much as those who take people captive in order to sell them into slavery.

Bryan Fischer

{/QUOTE}

How clever of Mr. Fischer to neglect saying , according to his reasoning and quoted scripture from the anti-sex advocate, apostle Paul , that anyone practicing heterosexual sex, insulin dependent diabetics, hemophiliacs and blood transfusion recipients should likewise be imprisoned.
 

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It is a very rare thing to find a Christian who is Christ-like.


You know when you say something like that you are just as bad as they are sterotypeing a group of people.

Take a look at some of the topics and posts on this site and you could understand where people mught get an unfavorable view of gays. but then wait, your response will be we'll we're not all like that. Bingo.

and as far as freaking out i think there are enough rational people christan, or otherwise in the US that no one has to worry about being imprisioned. and the hitler shit Midlifebear is talking about is just off the wall. take a couple xanax and chill.
 
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Well, homosexuals....

Yeah, some people don't like us. Honestly.

Christians are entitled to their beliefs...but they are responsible for what they do in life. If they sanction abuse to gay peeps...then, you should be mad as Michael Savage and eager as Ving Rhames to do something about it. I am of the opinion that if they can dish it...those Christians can take the fire.

You have "Christians" protesting funerals. Why aren't there homosexuals protesting Westboro Baptist Church events and funerals?!
 

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and as far as freaking out i think there are enough rational people christan, or otherwise in the US that no one has to worry about being imprisioned. and the hitler shit Midlifebear is talking about is just off the wall. take a couple xanax and chill.

What midlifebear has stated was not so off the wall as homosexual sex was decriminalized in Texas, by virtue of a Supreme Court ruling, as recently as 2003:

Texas anti-sodomy laws Lawrence v. Texas

George W.Bush attempted to have religious based bigotry against gays written into the U.S. constitution June 5, 2006.

And 2008's Republican presidential candidate, McCain, endorsed and enabled the passage of many pieces of anti-gay legislation - seeing his effort to ban gay marriage in Arizona achieved in 2008. California & Florida also outlawed such marriages in 2008. McCain is an ally of the anti-gay Family Research Council which spreads anti-gay propaganda among Christians, and others - propaganda which causes gay persons to be discriminated against and persecuted. The F.R.C. and its ilk hope their anti-gay efforts will lead to homosexuality being re-criminalized.

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States decide on gay rights, abortion - Politics - Decision '08 - Decision
 

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Zos. If you must regurgitate feeble critiques, try saying something sensible. Obviously I hit a raw nerve.

Two thirds of African contries have active and draconian laws against gay people. If we made sanctions against these tyranies would the US support them. No. That is why I say that if you challenge a fallacy then you have to have the moral high ground. Being an apologist for the gay facists doesn't wash with me, matey. My opinion is as valid as yours, but your vituperations give you away.
 

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Prisons are bad places. They do nobody any good. They do the opposite of reform. I would not send anyone to prison if it were up to me. I would prefer to compost everyone for things as trivial as stealing food, just like in sixteenth century Britain. Overpopulation is going to wipe us out soon otherwise.

OTOH I do not believe it is a crime to love. An it harm none, do not execute.
 

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The main thing here is that few people really understand the "business" of religion.

When you work for "God Inc." you take an oath to do whatever is necessary to fill the coffers of ultra wealthy corporations masquerading as churches.

What few bother to do when it comes to these individuals is to look at the lifestyles these "Ultra Wealthy" CEO level people lead. Private jets, home compounds with more security than Camp David, Offices with furniture and fixtures costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, investment portfolios and diversification of investments that equal those of major corporate CEO's, and the list goes on endlessly.

The "Religious Right" did not come in to protect family values. These corporate entities function as any corporation marketing a product. The product they market is "send us money and be saved". Examination of their business dealings is proof positive of this corporate structure and diversification.

Throughout history, the way to get people to do what you want is to create an "enemy" from which you will protect the common man. If you are a pharmaceutical giant, the enemy is some condition or disease. If we have a medication on which we have spent a billion dollars by mistake, we then, in order to save profit margins, "create" a medical condition for which this product is useful. Illness equals profit, there is zero profit in curing anything. In Religion, we need an enemy from which "we" the "Extremists" can protect you.

Just as a major corporation manufacturing a product may use any means at it's disposal to market their product over the same product of the competitor, "God Inc." looks at homosexuality as first something it can demonize and use as a profit making issue, and even more, it is treated like any business competitor. An example would be to seek ways in which it "God Inc." can remove any form of funding so that business competitor can survive. The assault on benefits for gay and lesbian individuals and the rights of these individuals is nothing more or less than corporate strategy. Remove the power from the competitor and you in essence remove the competition of that competitor for any dollar you could lay claim to. It is all over money.

If you are a government, and, you want people to go to war and fight, you first have to "dehumanize" the "enemy". In the year following the attack on Pearl Harbor, the venom created against the Japanese people refering to them in sub-human terms was reprehensible. Today, there are elements who ignore the actual teachings of the Koran and these elements paint all people sharing the Muslim faith as "enemies". The Koran strictly forbids many of the things that the extremists do. The Muslim extremists justify their behavior just as the Christian Extremists justify theirs. An "Extremist" in anything is not a representation of anything other than "Extremism".

Before the fall of the Berlin wall and the end of the "Cold War", the main thing the Religious Extremists concentrated on were the Communists. They were not being altruistic here either. They concentrated heavily with their verbal assaults because the governments in these countries would not allow them "market penetration" and would not allow their populations to be brought in as an additional income source for those making profit from Religion. In the most simple of explanations, the governments of these countries that did not allow religious freedom became a business competitor to "God Inc." In business, to earn a market share, one has to expand their marketing and overcome competition. When the "Cold War" ended and this market was opened up to "God Inc." like any other Corporation, "God Inc." had to go out and find new ways to mine more money. "God Inc." has still not had great market inroads in Communist controlled China, North Korea and Viet Nam. The "God Inc." group has had some success in Cuba, but that success has been very minimal in that the small Catholic Parishes that are there have very little political power. This means that that there is no profit to "God Inc." from this market. It is a poor country and this one has not been the largest focal point because mining huge profits is unlikely at best at this time. Religious Corporations like others spend incredible sums of money with legislators worldwide in attempts to "buy" their way in. They spend donation dollars which instead of feeding the poor and helping people on a grass roots level go on to fund in essence what is "corporate expansion".

Just for the sake of argument let's assume that "God Inc." as a group was successful in eradicating homosexuality and that all of their "half-baked" plans worked. If they were successful they would be in trouble and they know that. If there were any chance of their "camps for reorientation" or other such nonsense working they would in fact be in trouble financially. Their continued success is based on the fact that their ideas will not work. They have learned to make incredible profits from creating suffering and re-introducing concepts that they themselves know to be both flawed and complete failures. In so doing, those corporations under the "God Inc." banner thrive in fact on creating suffering which is not a benevolent thing, it is in fact by their own doctrine working for "the biggest competitor" that being "forces of evil". Yet, because their is great financial gain and profit in working in this manner it persists.

The problem is not the neighborhood church working for the betterment of mankind. It is not the charitable groups who discuss the Bible while hundreds of volunteers provide meals to those who are sick and hungry or shelter to those who have lost everything. These are not the problem. The problem is "God Inc." who only seems to want more and more power. "God Inc." does photo ops in Africa. "God Inc." talks of brining satellite television to Africa so that they can spread the "word". "God Inc." functions under the rules of corporate expansionism.

Robertson, Fischer, Swaggart, Falwell, Murray, Hinn, Kennedy, Phelps, and all the rest alive or dead are men who have aspired not to serve God but instead their inspiration has been a wee bit eschewed. We praise "the almighty". They do the same thing, but they make one slight addition. They praise "the almighty dollar" and what it can buy them.

This is a battle that they must righteously fight forever, if they give up they lose, if they win they lose. Either way homosexuality is a big profit maker for them and this is why they go on and on with it. The sad part is that people suffer greatly for them and as the "pharisees" of the new century they will continue their hypocrisy until the bitter end. People do not matter to these individuals, lives, violence, hurt, and all are not important. These people chase ONLY the dollar that their behavior can bring.
 

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Don't kid yourselves... that asshole with the pitch fork and that bitch with her hair in a bun still run America.
My favorite ganhdi quote... "Christianity is a beautiful idea... it's a shame nobody has ever tried it.
Another one I like is, "don't blame Christ for christianity."
Or maybe Ted Turner... "All you Jesus freaks are weak-minded sheep." or something to that effect.
 

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Don't kid yourselves... that asshole with the pitch fork and that bitch with her hair in a bun still run America.
My favorite ganhdi quote... "Christianity is a beautiful idea... it's a shame nobody has ever tried it.
Another one I like is, "don't blame Christ for christianity."
Or maybe Ted Turner... "All you Jesus freaks are weak-minded sheep." or something to that effect.

I think Gandhi actually said:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


And I would tend to agree with him. But, the problem with broad generalizations is that there are always the exceptions to the rule. Rather than attack Christianity, I would focus on the so-called "Christians" who advance agendas that are clearly contradicted by their Bible or who use their faith as a rationalization for hatred, murder or other socially unacceptable actions.
 

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The main thing here is that few people really understand the "business" of religion.

When you work for "God Inc." you take an oath to do whatever is necessary to fill the coffers of ultra wealthy corporations masquerading as churches.
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This is a battle that they must righteously fight forever, if they give up they lose, if they win they lose. Either way homosexuality is a big profit maker for them and this is why they go on and on with it. The sad part is that people suffer greatly for them and as the "pharisees" of the new century they will continue their hypocrisy until the bitter end. People do not matter to these individuals, lives, violence, hurt, and all are not important. These people chase ONLY the dollar that their behavior can bring.

You know, the idea of "God, Inc." would make a fascinating documentary in the style of a CNBC expose. Unfortunately, that title was already used as the title of a comedy internet video series (and maybe a follow-on TV series). None the less, a documentary format that examines the "big business" aspect of religious movements in the US and around the world would be fascinating. With the exception of the business implications associated with various scandals (the Scientology cult's battles with the IRS over tax status and the impact on donations the extra-curricular sexual activities of Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart had on their ministries), I doubt most Americans know much about that financial aspects of the big mega-church they see on TV on Sundays or drive past on their way to work during the week.

In Colorado, the revelations about Ted Haggard's involvement with a male prostitute brought down his leadership over the New Life Church that he founded in the 1980s. The church has continued on despite a drop in attendance, staff layoffs and the out-of-court settlement with an alleged victim of Haggard's. Ted Haggard subsequently moved out of state, got himself "rehabilitated" (whatever that means), and has now returned to Colorado Springs as the founder of a new church which met for the first time in June of 2010.
 

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I think imprisoning gays would be another hit to productivity and the workforce. I'm against the idea.
 

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I think Gandhi actually said:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


And I would tend to agree with him. But, the problem with broad generalizations is that there are always the exceptions to the rule. Rather than attack Christianity, I would focus on the so-called "Christians" who advance agendas that are clearly contradicted by their Bible or who use their faith as a rationalization for hatred, murder or other socially unacceptable actions.

There are several examples of priests, nuns, and lay people in San Diego alone who lead a Christian life: modest, self deprecating, faithful, and complete attention to the downtrodden: the poor, the sick, prostitutes, etc.