Girl u such a nut, that pops into my head too cuz I LOVE that show, though I can't understand why he'd want to apologize for slavery. Maybe he made some off-color joke to my husband Omar Epps on-set.
House wants to apologize for slavery, how much do u know?
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Girl u such a nut, that pops into my head too cuz I LOVE that show, though I can't understand why he'd want to apologize for slavery. Maybe he made some off-color joke to my husband Omar Epps on-set.
Really? Most people are aware that we have a holiday celebrating a man who stole and committed massive genocide? If most people knew, why do we blindly celebrate him every year?
Why do we sing nursery rhymes about him discovering America, and when that's disproven it turns into "he represents a shift in cultural relations because he reached out to the Indians"? Yeah, he reached out to them alrght.
Yes, really. Are you just now realizing that America is the country of double standards?
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This just seems to be opening up and old wound. Americans are plagued with guilt, and the compensatory laws are not helping. What good has Native American protection or Affirmative Action done? It just divides the nation even more.
Since the slaves are deceased, it seems like a moot point. It's completely unlike the interned WWI Japanese. The compensation went directly to the few surviving victims, not their great great great grandchildren. It's too late to apologize to the slaves, let alone fiscally compensate them. Americans should move on and see what positive change that they can accomplish together. Restitution seems trivial at the moment, considering what the war and high-risk mortgages have done to the black community lately.
Guys, listen. I've already addressed the irrelevant of reparations, it's already been established that this is NOT a blame game. Stop dumbing this down with your inability to understand complex social and economical issues. We already have ample posts challenging the relevance of the topic. Would you like me to start a separate poll in another thread about whether or not there's any value discussing slavery cuz the drivel you're posting here is getting in the way of good, ACTUAL conversation since no one here is playing any blame game or demanding 40 acres and a mule.
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People who constantly post nothing but re-wordings of the same ideas, taking up space from people who actually have something intelligent, on-topic, and valid to say. How many ways can you say "this topic sucks" and "blacks need to quit complaining" and "I'm not apologizing for what someone else did". None of these are even remotely relevant to the OP, atleast if you're going to say that, back it up with something beyond "It's true cuz I say so". LOTS of experts disagree with the notion that this is an open and shut case, but I guess some of you are smarter than those Professors and Doctors who study this stuff full-time.
I'm sick of this prejudice that any black discussing history has uterior, anti-white motives. Believe it or not, some blacks just like being educated.rolleyes:
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THEDUDEofDestiny
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why the fuck not? other than it would probably be a better testament to those we wronged by moving to eradicate the countless people in slavery now.
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*eradicate slavery not slaves. we should work to crack down on the illegal trade is my point.
marley, the spanish made slaves out of Indians on the north american continent. Very few people seem to be aware of what all has gone on before this country was even founded. They don't even know about what's happened in the last 200 years.
I had a lady who is in her 30s asking me questions today. Her husband who is a very very nice black gentleman has been slowly educating her about things done to the American Indians. So, I told her about the slavery, the land seizures, and the trail of tears. She is always wanting to learn more. Every time I have time to visit, she asks questions wanting to learn.
If more peeps wanted to learn, maybe we could get people to move, and start making changes.
I had a lady who is in her 30s asking me questions today. Her husband who is a very very nice black gentleman has been slowly educating her about things done to the American Indians. So, I told her about the slavery, the land seizures, and the trail of tears. She is always wanting to learn more. Every time I have time to visit, she asks questions wanting to learn.
If more peeps wanted to learn, maybe we could get people to move, and start making changes.
People who constantly post nothing but re-wordings of the same ideas, taking up space from people who actually have something intelligent, on-topic, and valid to say. How many ways can you say "this topic sucks" and "blacks need to quit complaining" and "I'm not apologizing for what someone else did". None of these are even remotely relevant to the OP, atleast if you're going to say that, back it up with something beyond "It's true cuz I say so". LOTS of experts disagree with the notion that this is an open and shut case, but I guess some of you are smarter than those Professors and Doctors who study this stuff full-time.
I'm sick of this prejudice that any black discussing history has uterior, anti-white motives. Believe it or not, some blacks just like being educated.rolleyes:
Well...you did use it in the title...
By the way, when are your answers going to be revealed?
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I agree. I think that our schools are partly to blame. Most countries slant history to make the country look good. They leave out the bad things and include the good things. It wasn't 'til 1964 that I even knew that blacks had been lynched. When the president of the Minneapolis NAACP told me about it (we worked for the same company), I wouldn't even believe him at first since I couldn't believe that such things could have happened in the U.S. That was not even mentioned in my high school American History class. It turned out that my mother knew about it; she was from Jackson TN, but she never told us about it when we were living at home.
Most of what I learned about black history and the struggle for civil rights, I learned by reading on my own. It was not easy reading since I found it so disturbing that I had to stop at times. We did, however, learn a bit in school about the mistreatment of indigenous Americans and recognized it as horribly wrong. I also did not learn in school about the interrment of the Japanese Americans, gunboat diplomacy in Central America, etc.
The indigeneous Americans (not Indians; they are in India) were put onto reservations which were considered useless land then, when valuable minerals were discovered one that land, they were again displaced. Obviously there was no excuse for it.
It's interesting that people talk about a time when people were more moral and religious. When they do, I ask them when that time was then point out some of the attrocities that occurred then and ask of that's what they mean by more moral and religious. Generally it stops them cold.
It seems to me that it would be helpful to examine closely what is taught in high school history classes. However, it could be very difficult, for political reasons, to make the necessary changes.
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It's all relevant. Maybe your chip on your shoulder is blinding you.
I couldn't agree more!
Then why the hell did you bring it up?LOTS of experts disagree with the notion that this is an open and shut case, but I guess some of you are smarter than those Professors and Doctors who study this stuff full-time.
You seem to think that it's OK to accuse me of doing the same. I'm sick of your nonsense, Marley. You aren't helping your reputation as a shit-disturber.
You mentioned restitution in your OP. Don't attack people for mentioning it by claiming that it's irrelevant.
I can't reason with an unreasonable person, and if this keeps up then I'm done with this thread.
AS A SEGUE. The title also DIRECTLY ASKS how much you know about the topic. Ironically some of the most vocal posters seem to know very little, and are more interested in expressing how their paper-thin feelings have been hurt.
Are you fucking kidding me? I already answered #1, how you missed it is beyond me since I bolded the title. Few people are commenting on it though, guess we're still singing "Columbus sailed the ocean blue......"
THEDUDEofDestiny
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what kind of changes? are you sugesting the indians get their land back? as a cherokee i canget behind that.
In case you missed the answer to #1, here's a link to the answer.
There's a youtube vid, a few links, and some qoutes to accompany. Thoughts? Comments?
There's a youtube vid, a few links, and some qoutes to accompany. Thoughts? Comments?
Yes, I saw the answer to question #1. You asked us all to give answers to 20 EASY questions...and then you said you would wait a day or two to post your answers. So no... I'm not fucking kidding you. Looking for closure.
The land can't be returned. Too many people live on it, and the government isn't going to budge on that. Start making changes to right wrongs. Many tribe members live in poverty. Raise their standard of living. Give them good houses, food, medical care, a way to make an income, provide them with a good education. Send me a big check every month. haha
I didn't just mean changes for Indians, and I use that term loosely because it would take forever to type all the tribe names, but changes for all people who are suffering in poverty. Some of the worst poverty is in the Appalachian Mountains. Children who don't get enough good food to eat don't develop correctly, and their minds dont' function the same. These kids need good food, shelter, care, and a chance. Provide them with cages, and rabbits. Give them food to feed the rabbits. Give them milk,, fruit and vegetables. Good clothing. The government is very inept at running these programs. Private organizations do a better job. One such organization is America's Second Harvest.
Sorry Marley, I will not debate in private messages. You can keep your comments in the forum with the rest of the comments.
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I agree with you, at least in principal. But one way we've gone wrong in the past is by implementing programs on a very large scale befoe knowing whether they'd word, and sometimes the results have been very bad. Somehow we have to implement pilot programs on a small scale, evaluate them, and refine them, 'til we find something that actually works, then gradually increase the scale. Simply giving people things can do more harm than good. Not that we should never give people things, but there is the risk that simply giving people things can cause them to become dependent on welfare programs. I'm not an expert at this and don't have all the answers, but I do know about programs that have exacerbated bad situations.
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