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riddick81: Thanks for your reply Wisconsin. (I got an M.S. in Chemical Engineering from Wisconsin many years ago) I've never used the water overflow technique myself. Really don't want to know the hard physical measurements of my rod since it's only a six and a half incher. Always wanted a big one with a long foreskin - but it was not in tghe cards for me. Nice to know that there are some verym well hung guys out there. Frank