How big was John Holmes ??

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Actually, corpses often have erections. Hardest boner of your life. Medical fact. I'm sure we could do a fun thread about that. "Deady Boners," "Boners of Death," "The Boner from Beyond the Graaaave" or what have you.

Also, Mandingo isn't that short. Met Jack Napier at LA Porn con a few years ago, he's about an inch taller than me which means he's 5'10", and Dingo often is a smidge taller than him in the many vids they've done together.
 

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Actually, corpses often have erections. Hardest boner of your life. Medical fact. I'm sure we could do a fun thread about that. "Deady Boners," "Boners of Death," "The Boner from Beyond the Graaaave" or what have you.

That is a VERY interesting fact...

Also, Mandingo isn't that short. Met Jack Napier at LA Porn con a few years ago, he's about an inch taller than me which means he's 5'10", and Dingo often is a smidge taller than him in the many vids they've done together.

Shame on the person who said he was a midget... finally some straight talk!
 

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Ahh, a John Holmes thread :) . Thanks for the link, cuteguyuk - I'll add that video to my collection! ;)

As I have stated in my introduction, I bare rather remarkable similiarities to John Holmes. As far as him hanging all the time and not being rock hard, I know exactly how he feels, but I think there is some misunderstanding about this. Just because your penis hangs doesn't mean it's flacid, it's more of semi hard. It also doesn't mean the penis is always hanging because I know mine will pop up too after it's been stroked. It seems that when the penis makes tight contact, it becomes harder, but when it's out it likes to hang around :)biggrin1:) . It also becomes a lot harder when you're ready to cum and if you look at Holmes in videos, his penis does look a harder when he's climaxing. I would've loved to read the measurements during his climax moments :) .

I personally think Holmes was around 10 inches at most, possibly 11 and without-a-doubt, no smaller than 8. And as others have posted, his skinny body and his height compared to small women certainly made him look bigger too. Of course, I think us guys with cocks that hang give a bigger impression too :) .


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But he also used stretching devices which damaged him and cocaine which made him floppy.
If you can give any sources saying he used stretching devices, I'd love to see that. I sincerely doubt he did though and he was floppy before the coke.

Another interesting thing I read recently about Holmes was that he had brown eyes, but wore blue contact lenses. Anyone have confirmation of this? I read it on Wiki on the profile part under his picture. If so, just another simliarity he bears to me.

His cock was closer to ten inches than to eight... and I have never read any actual testimony that he used stretching devices. Cocaine did damage his erections but if you follow his early career and have watched his early movies, then you will make the discovery that his erections didn't decline all that much. His penis had an incredible volume to it and if rock hard would have been the footlong penis that he and others claimed it to be. His poor heart just did not have enough blood to fill his enormous balloon-like corpus spongeosum.

8 or 9 inches would be the result of having weak erections, although the coroner who did his autopsy measured his flaccid penis to be over 8 inches. I presume he stretched it out before measuring it.

Do I have to start a John Holmes video thread so y'all can get better acquainted with his size?
This post speaks all sorts of truths! I think this post pretty much sums up Holmes' debate.
 

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I'd also like to post that this clip that was a related link on the first link posted at the start of this thread (and is from the movie Beyond Fulfillment) is a really good video to show off for Holmes' size. At the beginning of the clip, there's a close shot of his penis hanging while he's standing and it's just massive and you can tell it's hard too, despite hanging.
 

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Actually, corpses often have erections. Hardest boner of your life. Medical fact. I'm sure we could do a fun thread about that. "Deady Boners," "Boners of Death," "The Boner from Beyond the Graaaave" or what have you.

Also, Mandingo isn't that short. Met Jack Napier at LA Porn con a few years ago, he's about an inch taller than me which means he's 5'10", and Dingo often is a smidge taller than him in the many vids they've done together.

I've met Jack Napier many times as well - been at many industry parties and other fun venues and he isn't 5'10", not even close, sorry. He just isn't. And Mandingo is quite short and petite in build - met him many times as well and he is way shorter than Jack. Just look at how tall he is compared to any of the girls he works with. They usually are quite a few inches taller than him if you look closely (and the girls are TINY). They try to hide this height discrepancy when shooting many times, but just look. I've know Layla Jade for years and she's done scenes with Jack and Mandingo at the same time and she towers over both of them and she isn't a big girl by any means.

Now I'm not trying to put down Mandingo's cock size at all - he's got a great cock and probably the biggest out there in porn at the moment, but he is VERY short. Just a fact. "Midget" might be a bit of hyperbole, but not by much - he is quite SHORT. Lex is the only one who is tall - around 6'2" or so.

p.s. - Fred "Mandingo" Lamont is listed as being 5'7" on his official bio - and his cock listed as 11 3/4". Well his cock is really maybe 10 inches if that - so if you take off the same 1 3/4" they added to his cock length - he is 5' 5 1/4" tall...and that's being generous.

At 6'3" myself...5'5"or 5'7" is freakin' short unless you are a cute chick.
 

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If you can give any sources saying he used stretching devices, I'd love to see that. I sincerely doubt he did though and he was floppy before the coke.

Been trying to find it but it usually comes up with rants about his cock on blogs more than the pics that I am after.

There was a "John Holmes Weight Device" for sale for many years -a strap and weight for your cock- and that was sold on the old "official" Johhny Wadd website (before it disappeared behind a firewall) and had a pic of John strapped.

Will post it here as soon as I can find it.

And only posting info that I was told from people who used to work with Holmes back in the day.
So, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and I accept that.
 

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Wikipedia has a fairly good section dissecting the truth of John Holmes penis size. Back in golden age of porn, the mystery actually added to the mystique of Holmes during his hey-day in the 1970's. Screw Magazine's Al Goldstein once had it measured by an actress and said the "last two inches were all marketing schtick" which would have put John's fully erect penis in the 10.5" range. The fact that Holmes' circumference was equally impressive is seldom mentioned by people obsessed with the length of his organ.

Late in life, hooked on drugs and no-doubt ravaged by the early symptoms of AIDS, John Holmes engaged in heavy doses of vacuum pumping and stretching in the desperate attempt to get his only means of income to become fully erect or at least serviceable for porn shoots. His last videos show a penis with very little elasticity between flaccid and hard. On coroner's notes scribbled on the back of a page it was noted that the late porno actor's penis measured 8.75" in length.
 
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Corpses do not get erections, to get an erection the heart pumps blood into the penis. One of the symptoms of death is an absence of heart beat known as asystole. Ergo, no heart beat no erection, neither does rigor mortis cause the penis to become erect.
 

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Corpses do not get erections, to get an erection the heart pumps blood into the penis. One of the symptoms of death is an absence of heart beat known as asystole. Ergo, no heart beat no erection, neither does rigor mortis cause the penis to become erect.

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Corpses do not get erections, to get an erection the heart pumps blood into the penis. One of the symptoms of death is an absence of heart beat known as asystole. Ergo, no heart beat no erection, neither does rigor mortis cause the penis to become erect.

You are correct; the 8.75" measurement was his flaccid length taken by the Coroner during the autopsy.

Trivia fact: A rigor mortis photograph of the notorious bank robber John Dillinger under a sheet with an enormous tent pole-like protrusion lead to a myth that the outlaw had an 18" (length varies) penis. It was said to be kept hidden in a secret vault deep inside The Smithsonian in Washington, D.C. For years couples, even entire families would inquire at the information booth where the giant Dillinger penis was located.

In fact it was an arm sticking up under a sheet that caused all the furor. :smile:
 

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Corpses do not get erections, to get an erection the heart pumps blood into the penis. One of the symptoms of death is an absence of heart beat known as asystole. Ergo, no heart beat no erection, neither does rigor mortis cause the penis to become erect.

Actually, I've read somewhere that you can have a stiff stiff.
The suggestion was that an erection results from the dilation of the arteries that supply the erectile tissue.
Sometimes after death those arteries supposedly remain dilated and hence the penis can retain some degree of erection.
An old wives' tale?
I have no idea.
 

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Actually, I've read somewhere that you can have a stiff stiff.
The suggestion was that an erection results from the dilation of the arteries that supply the erectile tissue.
Sometimes after death those arteries supposedly remain dilated and hence the penis can retain some degree of erection.
An old wives' tale?
I have no idea.

Hell, anything is possible... it is probably a rare occurrence if it does happen, probably well under 3% of corpses have an erection. Seeing how John Holmes had such a dickens of a time getting his cock to expand fully in the eighties, I doubt that he would have an erection that lasted post mortem.

I have seen Holmes' flaccid penis anywhere from 4 inches to around 9 inches... this would mean that the coroner pulled his flaccid penis away from the body to get the measurement of 8.75 inches... putting him in the 10 to 11 inch range when fully expanded. I just think that with Viagra or Cialis he could have easily been a foot long.

As to a couple of people mentioning his abuse of vacuum pumps, let me put that myth down... he might have used a pump from time to time, but he bu no means ever abused his penis through vacuum pumping. That is simply NOT true.

His erection difficulties most likely had deep psychological roots and he could have harbored the type-2 diabetes gene which causes millions of men to experience some sort of impotence after the age of 25. John liked trannies and small young girls... his taste in sex was a bit off of the beaten path and that might have had something to do with his declining erections as well.

Alas, his immune system was in quite a battle for his life and getting the best erections probably wasn't his bodies priority and his tumescence most likely suffered as a result of a combination of all of these factors. I didn't mention cocaine because I don't have any first hand experience with the stuff, that could have contributed to his problems as well.

 
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When I was a kid there was a Los Angeles coroner named Thomas Naguchi, The Coroner To the Stars. Although he retired before John Holmes passed away I can picture him taking a measurement of the Holmes penis. The question is, was the measurement of a dorment flaccid penis or a stretched flaccid penis?

Too bad it wasn't Dr. Perper (Dr. Pepper) down in Broward County, Florida from the Anna Nicole Smith fiasco. If John Holmes had died of AIDS at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel in Broward, everybody from Geraldo to Entertainment Tonight would be grilling Dr. Perper about the world famous John Holmes penis.
 

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austr8guy said:
I met Ron Jeremy and asked him this very question..He said Holmes was 11 inches.......Holmes apparently called Ron "Tiny" LOL

I read an interview once with Ron Jeremy and he said the same thing in it. He also said that Holmes liked to brag that he was 14 inches and when Holmes called him tiny, he would call Holmes a pap smear :biggrin1: .

Been trying to find it but it usually comes up with rants about his cock on blogs more than the pics that I am after.

There was a "John Holmes Weight Device" for sale for many years -a strap and weight for your cock- and that was sold on the old "official" Johhny Wadd website (before it disappeared behind a firewall) and had a pic of John strapped.

Will post it here as soon as I can find it.

And only posting info that I was told from people who used to work with Holmes back in the day.
So, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and I accept that.
That sounds very interesting, I would really love to see that pic! I think I have seen that weight device online before, but never saw Holmes wearing it.