how dangerous is china?

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China is a very real threat on multiple fronts, depending of course on where you lie or live in the Pacific (for now) or the Atlantic (later). The money and business may all be nice; but what will the price be later?

I read most of your links. What it boils down to is the relative danger to the West. I can't see anything in those articles that the West has not done to further or protect its own interests. We have been used to getting our own way globally, to pursuing our interests and enjoying a very high quality of life.

The fact is that China is now able to pursue its own interests and they will not always match ours. Why shouldn't she? Russia is doing exactly the same as is India.

I am not sure what the US will do, but Europe's destiny as a Theme Park seems pretty clear.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. The U.S. decided that the costs to engage China would be too high...which was much the point I'm making: The U.S. would kick their asses, but why would the U.S want to go to war with China, especially over an unattractive chunk of the Korean Peninsula?

History is history. I don't know where you think or get the idea the Chinese would have their backsides kicked by the US. I think you have been playing to many computer games.
 
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I read most of your links. What it boils down to is the relative danger to the West. I can't see anything in those articles that the West has not done to further or protect its own interests. We have been used to getting our own way globally, to pursuing our interests and enjoying a very high quality of life.

The fact is that China is now able to pursue its own interests and they will not always match ours. Why shouldn't she? Russia is doing exactly the same as is India.

I am not sure what the US will do, but Europe's destiny as a Theme Park seems pretty clear.

As is ours as an open cut mine. Thanks to our ever so clever short sighted politicians and fat cat mining magnates. Yup, diggers.
 
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I read most of your links. What it boils down to is the relative danger to the West. I can't see anything in those articles that the West has not done to further or protect its own interests. We have been used to getting our own way globally, to pursuing our interests and enjoying a very high quality of life.

The fact is that China is now able to pursue its own interests and they will not always match ours. Why shouldn't she? Russia is doing exactly the same as is India.

I am not sure what the US will do, but Europe's destiny as a Theme Park seems pretty clear.


I don't disagree. The thrust of it is though that at the end of the day the PRC should be taken very seriously. The threat doesn't end with the US and Europe; the PRC is a very real threat to a Australia, India, Vietnam the Philippines, Japan and anyone else that they perceive to be muscling into their areas of interest.

Imagine the Google restrictions on a global basis.
 

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Drifterwood said:
I am not sure what the US will do, but Europe's destiny as a Theme Park seems pretty clear.

Agreed. The US can always provide some wheat and orange juice. Get over it, Europe and the US is not in charge anymore - just get used to it and enjoy life.
 

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for me USA with their secrets services and agencies is more dangerous than China....I dare to say they are a threat to the world....
 

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China's military is pretty shitty. We obviously don't want to start a war with them -- it would be disastrous for all involved -- but there's little question that the U.S. could pulverize them.
well, the US might use all those atomic bombs and reduce China to glass, incidentally not doing much good for the rest of us from the fallout. But as to occupying the country and therefore controlling it, they havnt done very well in the very much smaller Iraq or Afghanistan and some of the people there were friendly.

for me USA with their secrets services and agencies is more dangerous than China....I dare to say they are a threat to the world....
Well they would be unless they already had it running mostly the way they want, so in effect they are seeking to maintain the status quo. But they have caused most of the wars running today.
 

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well, the US might use all those atomic bombs and reduce China to glass, incidentally not doing much good for the rest of us from the fallout. But as to occupying the country and therefore controlling it, they havnt done very well in the very much smaller Iraq or Afghanistan and some of the people there were friendly.

Well they would be unless they already had it running mostly the way they want, so in effect they are seeking to maintain the status quo. But they have caused most of the wars running today.

If they want war they can create reasons to attack any country....it happened witih Pearl Harbor, Lusitania, World Trade Center, and more will come....so be ready for the next american movie.....
 

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If they want war they can create reasons to attack any country....it happened witih Pearl Harbor, Lusitania, World Trade Center, and more will come....so be ready for the next american movie.....
Are you saying the Americans created Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the destruction of the WTC with nearly 3,000 deaths, etc.?
 

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Are you saying the Americans created Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the destruction of the WTC with nearly 3,000 deaths, etc.?

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - read it
"Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro"

Iraq/Middle East 2000 - 1997 - then read these pre 9/11 reports regarding Iraq...

This isn't a Leave It To Beaver world...
 
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I think he's just saying that the history of false flag operations has shown who's dangerous to world peace...

But then this thread was on China - not US...

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - read it
"Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro"

Iraq/Middle East 2000 - 1997 - then read these pre 9/11 reports regarding Iraq...

This isn't a Leave It To Beaver world...

I don't see what any of these have to do with the Americans deliberately creating, per LuciferChild's original post, Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, or the destruction of the WTC.
 

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9/11 conspiracies take huge, huge, huge leaps of logic to make work. Why is it so hard to believe that the US reaped what it has sowed in terms of foreign policy, and the US MIC will just use an existing tragedy to make money?

Pearl Harbor is at least partly the fault of the US government, as we were baiting and threatening the Japanese for a while, and they were just using the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike.
 

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Are you saying the Americans created Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the destruction of the WTC with nearly 3,000 deaths, etc.?
hmm, actually now I come to think about it, didnt the US know about Pearl harbour before it happened, did absoultely nothing about the Lusitania until a year or two later when it suited them to declare war, and certainly did create the people who hated them enough to blow up the WTC. (oh, and had lousy airport security)
 

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If they want war they can create reasons to attack any country....it happened witih Pearl Harbor, Lusitania, World Trade Center, and more will come....so be ready for the next american movie.....

Are you saying the Americans created Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the destruction of the WTC with nearly 3,000 deaths, etc.?

hmm, actually now I come to think about it, didnt the US know about Pearl harbour before it happened, did absoultely nothing about the Lusitania until a year or two later when it suited them to declare war, and certainly did create the people who hated them enough to blow up the WTC. (oh, and had lousy airport security)

I didn't think they did know about Pearl Harbor before it happened. They had an expectation that some kind of Japanese attack might be in the offing ... but where?
The Americans did not declare war for a full 23 months after the sinking of the Lusitania. (That, and the Zimmerman telegram, and American economic ties to Europe were all part of the eventual decision to go to war.)
There's no question ... ask the ghost of Osama bin Laden ... that American policy largely motivated the 7/11 attacks.

But LuciferChild seemed to be suggesting that those events -- Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, and the 7/11 attacks -- were created by Americans so that the U.S. would have an excuse to go to war.
If that's what he meant, I say nuts.
 

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9/11 conspiracies take huge, huge, huge leaps of logic to make work. Why is it so hard to believe that the US reaped what it has sowed in terms of foreign policy, and the US MIC will just use an existing tragedy to make money?

It's entirely possible that America did reap what it sowed in reference to 9/11. There is no concrete evidence that it was a false flag attack. The CIA is damn good at keeping its secrets. However, given that our government has considered such attacks in the past, and then wanted sooo badly to remove Saddam, it makes you wonder what really happened. The 9/11 report has proven inaccurate in many areas, and there really are things about the attack that make me wonder.

On the day of the attacks, I was watching cable news (can't remember what channel) and they said almost word for word, "demolition crews are preparing to take down Building 7 for structural concerns." I didn't think anything of this until the government outright denied it. But it happened. They demolished the building with explosives, I watched it happen.

There are many many ass-backwards conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, but if you study it, there are also a lot of very interesting things that happened that day that lead me to believe there was a lot more to it than what we were told. We'll probably never know, kind of like with Kennedy (Jackie even said she thought LBJ was behind his assassination), but I think (and I'm not calling you naive) it's a little naive to always trust and believe the people that are guarding the information so they can turn it into their own story.