how dangerous is china?

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It's entirely possible that America did reap what it sowed in reference to 9/11. There is no concrete evidence that it was a false flag attack. The CIA is damn good at keeping its secrets. However, given that our government has considered such attacks in the past, and then wanted sooo badly to remove Saddam, it makes you wonder what really happened. The 9/11 report has proven inaccurate in many areas, and there really are things about the attack that make me wonder.

I think there's plenty of evidence that a group of young Saudis, funded by Bin Laden and led by Mohamed Atta, came to the States, enrolled in pilot's schools, learned to fly, hung out in nightclubs to appear anything but terrorists, bought tickets on several flights, and on Sept. 11, 2001 boarded those planes and took them to their ends in New York, in Arlington, Va., and in Shanksville, Pa.

Bin Laden initially denied his involvement but later spoke openly about it.

It is clear that the peeps from The Project for the New American Century had long wanted to see Saddam Hussein removed from power, but it's also clear that they merely used the fait accompli that 9/11 had occurred to bring that goal to pass.
No evidence at all that they (and members of various government agencies) engineered 9/11 to achieve that goal.

There are many many ass-backwards conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, but if you study it, there are also a lot of very interesting things that happened that day that lead me to believe there was a lot more to it than what we were told. We'll probably never know, kind of like with Kennedy (Jackie even said she thought LBJ was behind his assassination) ....

Conspiracy theorists comb facts backwards and forwards, looking for any remotely conceivable oddities. They're always going to find something, but it's seldom anything clear cut -- and very often things easily explained by people with real expertise.
BTW, why would Jackie's opinion about her husband's assassination have any weight. She didn't like Johnson. That didn't give her insight into the events of Nov. 11.

... I think ... it's a little naive to always trust and believe the people that are guarding the information so they can turn it into their own story.

True, of course.
But that means merely that you should be willing to examine what you are told.
It doesn't suggest at all that, in a particular case, there's a valid counter-narrative.
Sometimes there is and sometimes there isn't.
And even if you can see that someone might have an investment in a particular narrative, that doesn't at all mean that they don't offer it with complete sincerity, nor that they aren't in fact right.
 
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BTW, why would Jackie's opinion about her husband's assassination have any weight. She didn't like Johnson. That didn't give her insight into the events of Nov. 11.

I just find it interesting that she would believe that. Given her intimate relationship with Kennedy, I'm sure she knew darn well what was going on around him, his fears, worries etc. Kennedy did a lot to piss off the establishment, and I find Jackie's suspicion rather intriguing. It doesn't prove a darn thing though. The only thing I know is we live in a crazy fuckin' world and it would not surprise me one bit to learn powerful forces do conspire to commit horrendous acts that seem so inhumane most people wouldn't believe it even if it was evidenced
 

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I just find it interesting that she would believe that. Given her intimate relationship with Kennedy, I'm sure she knew darn well what was going on around him, his fears, worries etc. Kennedy did a lot to piss off the establishment, and I find Jackie's suspicion rather intriguing. It doesn't prove a darn thing though. The only thing I know is we live in a crazy fuckin' world and it would not surprise me one bit to learn powerful forces do conspire to commit horrendous acts that seem so inhumane most people wouldn't believe it even if it was evidenced
Well, if you're just saying that powerful peeps do brutal, inhuman things, and that broad fact doesn't prove anything in a particular case, then we're singing from the same song sheet, Lucky.
 

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i would say the usa used some happenings to start a war... But it doesnt mean that they created the situation.

About pearl harbour... The usa forced japan to akt. And maybe some intelligents and politicans knew that and what will happen...
They knew it they tollerate it, cause it "helped" their intrests...

9/11 propably the same.

Lusitania was an exident and the usa used it to start a war...


So what we can use from this... If even a democratic nation starts wars cause it fits in their intrests, imagen what china could do.
 

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i would say the usa used some happenings to start a war... But it doesnt mean that they created the situation.

About pearl harbour... The usa forced japan to akt. And maybe some intelligents and politicans knew that and what will happen...
They knew it they tollerate it, cause it "helped" their intrests...

9/11 propably the same.

Lusitania was an exident and the usa used it to start a war...


So what we can use from this... If even a democratic nation starts wars cause it fits in their intrests, imagen what china could do.


Yeap, imagine IF China starts do the same.....
 

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China tea sets are ever so delicate.

yeah, but until now we dont see any matter that concerns China, the only people who can see China dangerous is the people from Tibet, Tawain, and possibily South Korea, the rest of the world until now never had any problem with China which can see them as a threat, (except in enviromental matters)
 

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yeah, but until now we dont see any matter that concerns China, the only people who can see China dangerous is the people from Tibet, Taiwan, and possibly South Korea, the rest of the world until now never had any problem with China which can see them as a threat, (except in environmental matters)

... and economic matters, too, as the Chinese steamroller flattens a lot of competing exporters (though that may change as Chinese wages increase).
But China doesn't seem expansionist to me.
 

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... and economic matters, too, as the Chinese steamroller flattens a lot of competing exporters (though that may change as Chinese wages increase).
But China doesn't seem expansionist to me.

The whole chinese economy is a real danger for the world economy...
Cause china is still not a really free economy

And i would say china is at minimum an expansionist as the usa is...
 

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Regimes that allow and fund China are as dangerous as China is, if I was in charge we wouldn't buy products from human right violators, vote for me!
 

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Being Australian , i feel that we should be militarily stronger , given the huge increases in the military spending by our Asian neighbors . I find it disconcerting that certain Asian governments are upset by a few thousand U.S. Marines being stationed on a rotation basis in Darwin , while they spend up big , buying SU-300 fighters , more armor , more missiles and massive increase in naval vessels . The hypocrisy of all this, pisses me off no fucking end , how dare some tosser in another country try to dictate to us regarding our national defense .The abysmal choices re; procurement of military equipment in this country, not to mention the pathetic quantities of said equipment are a bloody disgrace, particularly when one looks at Israel , who ,with very few natural resources by way of comparison to Australia ,manage to be self sufficient to a considerable degree .Yes,yes ,i know , only 23million people , small military etc ,but it is exactly this that makes a rethink of our entire military strategy so important.A development program for automated low manpower weapons systems and multiple rings of defensive missiles would help me sleep at night,but i ain't holding my breath. Currently,and fortunately for us , the good old USA keeps a "big brotherly"eye on us ,and i for one am grateful. Anyone who is spending up big on weapons is a potential threat , so yes, i think they are dangerous . God bless America , Happy 4th of July folks. U.S. Navy Carrier groups , love em.
 

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The abysmal choices re; procurement of military equipment in this country, not to mention the pathetic quantities of said equipment are a bloody disgrace, particularly when one looks at Israel , who ,with very few natural resources by way of comparison to Australia ,manage to be self sufficient to a considerable degree .

Maybe if Australia can wrangle as much foreign aid from the U.S., you too can be as "self sufficient" as Israel. :smile:
 

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Maybe if Australia can wrangle as much foreign aid from the U.S., you too can be as "self sufficient" as Israel. :smile:

With friends like that, who needs enemies... :biggrin1:

On topic: I don't see China is that much of a danger. So what if they have taken over Africa? I don't mind the sigh of Asian girls and I am pretty fond of Chinese cuisine. Let them come, pretty sure they won't bite.

I don't like to think of countries as "dangerous". People are dangerous. Especially the people running countries can be. But a country or a culture or an ethnic group is not something that I find frightening.

A lot of people may disagree, but I think it's like with the communist scare in the 1950s. Sure, the communists have some weird ideas and they have had some pretty messed up evil leaders, and their system is a sham and an allround failure... but most people already know that. They knew it back then and they know it now. That's why I'm not really afraid of any countries, religions or ideologies "taking us all over". And if I'm wrong then I'll just eat my rice and nasi goreng and pray to the great chairman. No biggie. :wink:
 

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A lot of people may disagree, but I think it's like with the communist scare in the 1950s. Sure, the communists have some weird ideas and they have had some pretty messed up evil leaders, and their system is a sham and an allround failure... but most people already know that. They knew it back then and they know it now. That's why I'm not really afraid of any countries, religions or ideologies "taking us all over". And if I'm wrong then I'll just eat my rice and nasi goreng and pray to the great chairman. No biggie. :wink:

For the most part, I'm not inclined to worry, either.

Still, looking at what you said, I can't help but note that people "knew it back then" without being able to prevent some horrible things from happening. Will "knowing it now" necessarily serve us any better?
 

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For the most part, I'm not inclined to worry, either.

Still, looking at what you said, I can't help but note that people "knew it back then" without being able to prevent some horrible things from happening. Will "knowing it now" necessarily serve us any better?

It's quite simple: the people that are usually influenced by things like communism are the poor and uneducated. Not always, but in 90% of the cases they aren't exactly the brightest people you will find. Our they are at the very least incredibly naive, believing in some sorta Utopia that's never ever going to happen. People like that are usually not wealthy (most people talking about sharing their wealth equally aren't rich nor have they worked for many years to get there) nor very powerful.

Also, the past... you say people might not remember the past but Hollywood makes it pretty hard to forget. If anyone ever says "communism", you say: Stalin, Lenin, Mao. If someone says Nazism, you'll say: Hitler, genocide, world war. People naturally associate these political movements with evil, for the most part. Maybe less so in other countries but still, they do.