How Democrats Can Win In The Future

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How Democrats Can Win in the Future
AlterNet - October 20, 2019

How Democrats can win the future – Alternet.org

This thread is not really about whether following the author's suggestions is good or bad for the nation, but about will it win elections for the Democrats with large enough majorities to enact the Democratic proposals into law and prevent the Republicans from repealing these laws in the future.

The following full paragraph about a 1/3 or so into the article:

“These two central dynamics, racial division and surging economic inequality, they are flip sides of the same thing, of dog-whistle politics,” López told me. “They are not separate phenomena.” And the best way to fight them is to call them out explicitly, using the “race-class narratives” developed in a partnership between López and communications guru Anat Shenker-Osorio, as I reported last year. López said as much again in a New York Times op-ed just before the most recent debate, but to little avail.
End of quote from the article.

This first sentence with " " around it is to me states the point of the article as well as any other single sentence as quick summation of all the points of the entire article.

Some might find a different sentence and/or paragraph that does this. Please share that with us if that is so.

The purpose of this thread is not to discuss racism and inequality per se even though the entire article dances around this subject.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss and debate what the author of this article says about racism and inequality and "How Democrats Can Win Future Elections" by taking this these two twin subjects and win elections by building an alliance of white, brown and black middle class families.

The author of the article points out that now Democratic candidates use the term middle class families without the "white, brown and black" adjectives. Leaving these three adjectives allows the Republicans and much of the media to define "middle class families" to mean only brown and black families and to get poor and middle class white people to vote for Republican candidates who will vote against what is in the best economic interests of poor and middle class white people.

The Republicans will win by playing the race card by inferring that only brown and black people will benefit if Medicare for All becomes the law of America. The IRS will take money out of the middle class white people's checks to pay for free medical care for all those brown and black people.

Since Medicare for All is not the law of the land and there are various proposals to get there, I can only predict that the lower middle class whites won't see any increase of income taxes, but will get a vast reduction in premiums and out of pocket expenses. The poor are already getting free medical care and free prescription drugs.

I haven't seen the most recent statistics. However, unless there has been a drastic change, there are more white middle class families than there are brown and black middle class families.

Furthermore, there are more poor white people than there are poor black people. There are more poor white people than they are brown people. There may be more poor white people than there are both brown and black poor people. Those statistics are changing rapidly as more brown people immigrate to the US due to the instability of nations in Central America, not because all the people are brown. There are some white and black people who live in Central America. Most of these immigrants are poor because they are seeking asylum and have left everything they own to get here.

The author does point out that most of the media is owned by people who are conservatives and are in the best executive positions of some big corporations.

This article reminded me of how a person would write a term research paper for university graduate courses. (For non-Americans, graduate means a masters degree which is usually the fifth year of university. The next level is a doctorate degree.) The author uses multiple sources to defend the position of this term research paper on, "Democrats Can Win Elections in the Future"

The author quotes some of the sources with links to support the positions of the article such as, “These dynamics, racial division and surging economic inequality, they are flip sides of the same thing, of dog-whistle politics,”

Other times, the link is in the article for us to click and to read these sources. We need to read the sources to truly discuss what this article says.

My first thought when reading the article is how I would have dreaded being given this article as a student at any university level to read and study for essay questions. There is a "gold mine" of possible essay questions that shooting the bull won't give you any credit for any question appearing on an exam about this article.

I encourage the people who are willing to read the article and the sources to post points that they agree with.

The purpose is simple "How Can Democrats Win Elections in the Future" Please try to make any post you make tie in to this topic in some way.

A died in the wool Republican could comment on why they agree (or disagree) with the author's position on "How Democrats Can Win in the Future" following reading this author's article.

A died in the wool Democrat might post on why they (agree or disagree) with the author's position on "How Democrats Can Win in the Future" following reading this author's article.
Again I state the purpose of this thread:

This thread is not really about whether following the author's suggestions is good or bad for the nation, but about will it win elections for the Democrats with large enough majorities to enact the Democratic proposals into law and prevent the Republicans from repealing these laws in the future.
 
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There seems to be a rush to the left among the candidates. The country is center-right. I don't think a Bernie or Elizabeth Warren can convincingly try to move back to the center after the primaries. A Tulsi Gabbard is probably the most electable candidate, but the establishment seems hell bent on alienating her.

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I'm not a dyed in the wool conservative, and probably more libertarian than anything (fiscally conservative and socially mind your own business). He's obnoxious, but I don't get the Trump hatred. I don't think the chimp-screaming about how horrible he is, is a winning strategy.
 

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There seems to be a rush to the left among the candidates. The country is center-right. I don't think a Bernie or Elizabeth Warren can convincingly try to move back to the center after the primaries. A Tulsi Gabbard is probably the most electable candidate, but the establishment seems hell bent on alienating her.

She'd do very well if Republicans got to choose the Democratic candidate. Otherwise, not so much.

I'm not a dyed in the wool conservative, and probably more libertarian than anything (fiscally conservative and socially mind your own business). He's obnoxious, but I don't get the Trump hatred. I don't think the chimp-screaming about how horrible he is, is a winning strategy.

Just curious--do you watch or read any news?
 
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She'd do very well if Republicans got to choose the Democratic candidate. Otherwise, not so much.

The “free everything for everybody” won’t win a national election.

Just curious--do you watch or read any news?

Of course. Problem is that everyone has lost their mind and retreated to their corners. The news is a spectrum of Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity, with very little in between.
 

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The “free everything for everybody” won’t win a national election.



Of course. Problem is that everyone has lost their mind and retreated to their corners. The news is a spectrum of Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity, with very little in between.
You don't "get the problem" with him being racist, anti LGBT? No problem with throwing kids in cages at the border and having no plans to reunite them when they are either deported or granted asylum? No problem with diverting funds from military projects like new schools to build a useless wall that doesn't have the support of the American people?

Having absolutely no idea what he is doing with foreign policy? Failed to do anything but elevate the status of dictators like Putin and Kim Jon Un. Threaten our allies. Put tariffs on them that we have to pay for despite him saying otherwise. Literally abandoning allies in the middle east to slaughter and ethnic cleansing because he got a call from Turkey? Then hastily sends a juvenile letter further embarrassing us to the world and threatens sanctions that wouldn't have been necessary in the first place had he not just allowed allies to be attacked?

Using taxpayer dollars to enrich himself and his family time and time again. He tried to get tax payer funded G7 to his failing resort which would have meant free upgrades, "security additions", and millions in free publicity and media attention. Only reason he even considered stopping is it was just too much blatant corruption for even the GOP to support.

Not to mention what he has flat out admitted too and his own chief of staff backed up saying there was quid pro quo, which isn't even necessary to have for the impeachment process, in holding up approved military aid for our national security to Ukraine? All so he can waste taxpayer dollars on conspiracy theories that his PERSONAL lawyer wants to persue? Including firing American diplomats who tried to follow the law and wouldn't go along with the scams? They testified before Congress. Trump admitted it himself we saw the basic transcripts.

There are not 2 sides with "everyone" losing their minds. There are democrats who are operating in reality. And the current GOP who have allowed trump to takeover their entire party and platform and will follow him and make excuses for every violation. And claim "deep state" and "media" is the enemy. They haven't met a conspiracy theory they couldn't chase to the ends of the earth. Even after all of this investigation into Hillary's emails they have been doing for years now on our dime I guarantee we will still hear more about that debunked bs.
 
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You’ve illustrated my point perfectly. Now we just need an example of the hyperbole from the right.
 

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Pretty much the whole post. Throwing kids in cages, etc...

There’s a reason there is a #walkaway movement.
Maybe you don't understand what hyperbole means. That literally happened and it was actual trump policy that he only reversed out of public outrage. What did I say in the earlier post that did not actually happen?

Again reality VS whatever it is the right and GOP are living in
 

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Pretty much the whole post. Throwing kids in cages, etc...

There’s a reason there is a #walkaway movement.
There is no walk away movement. That's a fever dream of the right wing. #demexit #blexit are just hastags on twitter with no movements behind them.
 
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Pretty much the whole post. Throwing kids in cages, etc...

There’s a reason there is a #walkaway movement.
You remind me of a former member, also from Missouri. He thought as you do. Refused to see what was being reported around him. He thought nothing of caging children, alienating our allies, and the President making money off the government. You two could be twins.

The movement you describe has already been shown to be a product of the same game players of 2016 so you keep on being you. As for Tulsi, not really surprised your type champions her (all the better to sow discord before 2020).
 
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Well I seem to have stirred up the hornet’s nest, and I think we’ll just end up at an impasse.

Don’t be surprised when we end up with 4 more years of Trump.
 

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Well I seem to have stirred up the hornet’s nest, and I think we’ll just end up at an impasse.

Don’t be surprised when we end up with 4 more years of Trump.
I won't be surprised at all. There are a lot of people that are denying reality and making excuses for the trump administration. I work with a ton of them daily.

I am under no illusion that the election will be easy. Or that those people can be reached or reasonable. It will take a majority of the rest of us to overcome them by voting trump and the GOP out.
 

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The Democrats have polished a platform of “old white men bad” and “every other identity group” good. In the short term this could and likely will pay off. But imagine these identity groups as snarling ravenous dogs growling to be fed. Once they have bitten off the hand that feeds them, “old white men” they will start eating each other.

It is beginning to start already. Asian Americans are beginning to chaff at race based preferences, having sued Harvard and now arguing against law in Washington state. As the economy stagnates, and yes higher taxes and income redistribution will slow the economy, the cannibalism will become severe. And it won’t and can’t change this basic fact capital is mobile and nimble and will always seek the path of least resistance, while labor is sluggish and clumsy and cannot react fast enough. Trying to limit capital is a fool’s errand, doomed to failure.

We also see the results today of trying to legislate economic equality AND regulation in a micro economy. San Francisco, one of the prime foodie locales in the US is losing restaurants at 5-10% clip.

Local restaurant owner explains why so many San Francisco eateries are closing

This type thing will surely accelerate as libs try to harness economic laws that cannot be harnessed. It is going to be fun to watch. I am especially looking forward to Warren becoming POTUS and then trying to implement a wealth tax, busting up private health insurance and taxing public sector employees ( a stalwart Dem support group) for Medicare-for-All.
 
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It is beginning to start already. Asian Americans are beginning to chaff at race based preferences, having sued Harvard and now arguing against law in Washington state.

Asian American voters are increasingly voting Democrat from election to election and are fast approaching similar levels of party affiliation to the African American community (Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Indo Carribean ancestry are already there.

I know you have trouble absorbing this information, because we've had this conversation before, but people are capable of having an area of disagreement with many in their political party that does not in turn push them to seek out another political party. Like... people aren't going to say "I feel like some college's affirmative action plans are in turn discriminatory against Asian Americans, therefore I will side with the party catering to white nationalists". It doesn't work that way. It's a rare voter who is 100% aligned with every stance on their party's platform.
 

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Asian American voters are increasingly voting Democrat from election to election and are fast approaching similar levels of party affiliation to the African American community (Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Indo Carribean ancestry are already there.

I know you have trouble absorbing this information, because we've had this conversation before, but people are capable of having an area of disagreement with many in their political party that does not in turn push them to seek out another political party. Like... people aren't going to say "I feel like some college's affirmative action plans are in turn discriminatory against Asian Americans, therefore I will side with the party catering to white nationalists". It doesn't work that way.

And you have reading comprehension problems I see. I can’t fix that for you.
 

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The Democrats have polished a platform of “old white men bad” and “every other identity group” good. In the short term this could and likely will pay off.

If that were in fact the strategy, it would clearly be designed to pay off in the long term.

But imagine these identity groups as snarling ravenous dogs growling to be fed.

This may be a good moment for some introspection.
 
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