How do I find straight married guys who want a cock sucker??

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Well... its simple math, really. That and some basic knowledge.

10% of the population self identifies as gay.
Those are the guys who are so into men and so not into women that they are willing to buck the societal norms and live a life that is swimming against the current. Gays catch a lot of shit for being gay in this culture. It takes a pretty strong identification as gay to take that stand...

And it is clear that LOTS of men live married lives, and dally sexually with other men... From Senators to Preachers... we see it all over. Certainly the membership on this very site, and the nature of the postings show lots of "straight" men are enthralled by cock.

Gay porn downloads are not 10% of straight porn downloads... either that 10% of gays are voracious porn consumers... or the primary downloaders of porn ( men) are, in aggregate, downloading gay images as well as straight images.

And, our society is filled with Tacitly gay imagery... sorry... but any MAN watching professional wrestling, is indulging an inchoate homosexual impulse.

Only an imbecile would imagine that all these men do not like their wives, or do not enjoy sex with women... that they are living in denial... ( that is a gay Political stance- that any guy who like cock is secretly gay )
rather, the most likely explanation is that, enjoying both, they opt to live Outwardly in the socially acceptable norm, and conceal their other interests. Just as most people conceal their drug usage...
From the guy who sucks one cock once in his life, and otherwise prefers women... all the way to the guy who has sex more often with men than with his wife... but still enjoys that once in awhile with the missus.

A stroll thru world history and the behavior shown by men in any environment where access to women is limited or denied, ( prison, long voyages, or extremely socially rigid societies that prize female virginity) all proves conclusively that MOST men, are Capable of and willing to have sex with other men, when women are not available.

There are ample historical references to suggest that in many cultures, particularly pre-christian cultures, sexual contact between men was accepted and routine.

All of this argues that male human beings tend to fall along a continuum of sexual attraction... ranging from exclusively homosexual, to an exclusively heterosexual extreme... with the majority falling somewhere in the middle.

If this is a bell curve distribution, which a 10% gay figure argues for, then we can reasonably expect that 10% of men are as dedicatedly straight as the 10% of gays.

And the great majority are somewhere on the arc between the two.

This is NOT to say that most men HAVE sex with other men...
Most men are attracted to lots of women, but do not have actual sex with most women... there are the limitations of access, opportunity, and the person's own moral/ethical framework, that severely limit the execution of the acts we fantasize about.


In ancient Rome or Greece, having sex with a male friend was pretty common...
Ever Since Jesus and Mohammed came along to make lust a sin, the ONLY thing about human nature that has changed is that we HIDE it.

Kinsey's finding are that self reportage of sexual orientation does not match actual sexual conduct.

And that a surprising large percentage of men have had homosexual experiences... and an even larger percentage, fantasize about it.
 

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There are lots of reasons for infidelity, not all of which are indefensible. And there is no such thing as a homewrecker... a solid relationship can not be wrecked... either the cheater is amoral...

I agree with this 100%.

or the spouse is not meeting their mate's needs in some regard.

I agree that this can be a mitigating factor, but still think it is ultimately the fault of the one who cheats.
 

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Phil Ayesho - I really enjoyed your contributions.. not only do I agree with most of what you are saying but I appreciate the way you present your arguments.
 

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I have deemed this necessary for this topic. OP literally floored me with this question. I bring back the *facepalm*

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I agree that this can be a mitigating factor, but still think it is ultimately the fault of the one who cheats.

I can not agree.
For a wife to refuse sexual congress to her man, or to use sexual access to manipulate him, is a form of psychological abuse.

Men have a deep need for physical intimacy... they have a stronger sexual drive than women, in general... and, for men, physical intimacy is a critical component in pair bonding.

For either gender to simply lose interest in sex with their partner, and do nothing about it, is to abandon them, emotionally.

Technically.. in contract law, the spouse who withholds sex is the person at fault for breaking the marriage covenant. If that spouse who can't get any subsequently meets a woman willing to provide what his contractual partner will not... then he/she can not really be in breach of a contract already broken.

After three years without any sex, I formally ended my relationship of 17 years. Three years of trying to win back her affection and desire.
I never cheated on her... but she fully believed I must have because what man will go three years without sex?

In other words... she fully expected and believed that I WOULD cheat, because she understood the just consequences of her refusal to put out.

I did not cheat, because I genuinely loved her and wanted only her...
And because I am the kind of guy who would end one relationship before starting another. But then, I had no children with her... no property to split...

Imagine the plight of a man getting no joy, who does not want to lose access to his children does not want them emotionally devastated... does not want to wreak financial disaster on everyone?

- who still loves his wife, despite her refusals.


There are situations where discretely getting your rocks off are actually the ethical choice. The one that does the least harm to the least number of people.

Or do you suggest that such a man should just say goodbye to any sexual life whatsoever?
Or, worse... tear apart his family and all they have built together over the issue of some human friction on his dick?


Back in the day there was the double standard. Genteel women were raised to dislike sex, ( or pretend to) so that they would stop having it and improve their chances of surviving long enough to make sure their children inherited the family legacy rather than those of some second wife.

The 'double standard' was an accommodation to the needs of both... the wife turned a blind eye to her husband's discreet philandering, and in return, the man would never divorce his wife. (the woman was supposed to remain chaste, but research suggest that many of them had at least one child that was not their husband's and whom he raised unknowingly as his own.)


My primary ethical concern is that the couple should be able to openly discuss a lack of sexual intimacy and agree upon a remedy.


But this is an emotional minefield, and I can have compassion for the fact that it usually is not addressable.
 

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The only ethical way to do this is to ask their wives. Couples are a sexual unit; deal with this fact and get both parts of a couple to consent to your yen. Do not add to the amount of hypocrisy in the world in order to enjoy life. The protocol is the same whether it is a same-sex or hetero- couple you are attracted to.
 

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this question is fantastic...im straight and have some gay friends, who ive asked this question...me AND my gay friends agree, you arent straight if you are into this, your either bi, gay or afraid to admit that your bi or gay
 

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PhilAyesho, who is to say what percentage of married men who break their vows are being denied at home?

I was once with a particular guy before my I met my husband. I used to fuck that guy almost every day, for hours. He still found the time and desire to cheat. We've since become friends again, and the mother of his child has become tocophobic since her pregnancy was traumatic, and no longer desires sexual contact at all. Even before their child was born, she was seldom interested in sex. She strikes me to be one of those women who claims she wants and needs a big dick, but in reality, can't handle one. Anyway, he cheats on her, because that's the kind of creep he is. He'd probably cheat on her if they had sex every day. But he mentioned to me that I was the first girl he'd had a sexual relationship with, and that he didn't know my drive wasn't so commonly found in other women, and that if he had known, and all he'd had to do back then to keep me was stop having sex with other women, he'd do it in a minute. I doubt it. He's the sort who loves new love, and new sex. He could never be a one woman man. He always thinks he's in love with every cute girl who smiles at him. It's just his way.

I love him, and I'm glad to be friends after years of acid between us. But I wouldn't inflict a partnership with him on an enemy. His only partner is his dick. My father was the same way. So was his father. And his. My husband's uncle is similar. Who's to say the average cheater isn't just like those assholes? Why would we assume most of them are forced to be jaggoffs because some evil woman was holding out?

Anyway, I'm not genteel, but I was taught by my father's mother to tolerate cheating "if it's done discreetly, and without disrespect for your reputation and standing" as my grandmother put it. How does she recommend correcting behavior that is indiscreet? Violence. On the other hand, my maternal grandmother would "rather be alone alone, than alone with some man". My aunt was the same way. My mother favored the tolerance with occasional violence method. Maybe that similarity to his mother is what drew my father to her. By all accounts, he was obsessed with my mother until I was born. I'm similarly inclined, especially given my current situation, because the relationships I know of which were lasting and successful even after repeated cheating by one partner, were that way.

I have recently put off all of my husband's sexual advances. I'll probably have sex with him soon because I'm supposed to, but I honestly don't want to. I don't know how long I'll feel this way, or why. But I'd be very disappointed if he looked elsewhere. I am otherwise affectionate, I cook, clean, do the bookkeeping, manage our home, care for our pets, contribute financially, and ask for very little in return. It's seriously not a good time to address the lack of sex, because I don't want to address it. End of. We'll get to it when I'm ready. And after all I've given him in time and care, in understanding and patience, if he couldn't just wait for me, he could get the fuck out. We don't have anything to split. If we did, the prenuptial agreement is very fair and even, and doesn't care about blame.
 

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After three years without any sex, I formally ended my relationship of 17 years. Three years of trying to win back her affection and desire.
I never cheated on her... but she fully believed I must have because what man will go three years without sex?

You did things in a way that fits well with my ethics.


Or do you suggest that such a man should just say goodbye to any sexual life whatsoever?
Or, worse... tear apart his family and all they have built together over the issue of some human friction on his dick?

I believe that if the lack of sex is that big a problem then the couple should discuss options for making things better. This may include therapy, an open relationship, or seeing a sex worker, amongst other solutions. If an agreement cannot be reached I believe the couple should break up before cheating.

It's all about honesty for me. A cheater is still a cheater, whatever the reasons, if they don't have their partner's permission to do so.

And I have only ever met one person (male or female) with a sex drive as high as mine, so I do get where you're coming from. In a previous relationship I had to cut off all contact with a friend of mine to prevent myself from cheating with him. That contact was only renewed AFTER I had broken up with my ex.


My primary ethical concern is that the couple should be able to openly discuss a lack of sexual intimacy and agree upon a remedy.

I agree wholeheartedly. This is this ideal solution.
 

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umm money, thats why i get sucked ; )


This is just polite advice given purely as a member, but you need to be careful about dropping this little nugget of info in to any vaguely relevant threads you can find, it could be seen as solicitation and that's against the site rules. There's a link to those in my sig, maybe take a refresher glimpse at them...
 

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I can not agree.
For a wife to refuse sexual congress to her man, or to use sexual access to manipulate him, is a form of psychological abuse.

Men have a deep need for physical intimacy... they have a stronger sexual drive than women, in general... and, for men, physical intimacy is a critical component in pair bonding.

For either gender to simply lose interest in sex with their partner, and do nothing about it, is to abandon them, emotionally.

Technically.. in contract law, the spouse who withholds sex is the person at fault for breaking the marriage covenant. If that spouse who can't get any subsequently meets a woman willing to provide what his contractual partner will not... then he/she can not really be in breach of a contract already broken.

After three years without any sex, I formally ended my relationship of 17 years. Three years of trying to win back her affection and desire.
I never cheated on her... but she fully believed I must have because what man will go three years without sex?

In other words... she fully expected and believed that I WOULD cheat, because she understood the just consequences of her refusal to put out.

I did not cheat, because I genuinely loved her and wanted only her...
And because I am the kind of guy who would end one relationship before starting another. But then, I had no children with her... no property to split...

Imagine the plight of a man getting no joy, who does not want to lose access to his children does not want them emotionally devastated... does not want to wreak financial disaster on everyone?

- who still loves his wife, despite her refusals.


There are situations where discretely getting your rocks off are actually the ethical choice. The one that does the least harm to the least number of people.

Or do you suggest that such a man should just say goodbye to any sexual life whatsoever?
Or, worse... tear apart his family and all they have built together over the issue of some human friction on his dick?


Back in the day there was the double standard. Genteel women were raised to dislike sex, ( or pretend to) so that they would stop having it and improve their chances of surviving long enough to make sure their children inherited the family legacy rather than those of some second wife.

The 'double standard' was an accommodation to the needs of both... the wife turned a blind eye to her husband's discreet philandering, and in return, the man would never divorce his wife. (the woman was supposed to remain chaste, but research suggest that many of them had at least one child that was not their husband's and whom he raised unknowingly as his own.)


My primary ethical concern is that the couple should be able to openly discuss a lack of sexual intimacy and agree upon a remedy.


But this is an emotional minefield, and I can have compassion for the fact that it usually is not addressable.


OK I'm not really going to comment on the meat of this post, because to do so would be to continue a threadjack. It's off topic. If you'd like to start a thread on this topic there's nothing stopping you.
 

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A lot of people have taken the OP's question & gone all moral on him. That's so wrong. If you don't like what the OP desires, then go start your own thread on how wrong it is.

And as for the OP's question; a very good gay friend of mine frequents local adult book stores & comes home with stories that get me hard as steel. Each & every guy he hooks up with is married. (They are all wearing wedding rings...that's how he knows.) He also has a married so-called straight man that is a weekly fuck-buddy. I don't think he has had a sexual encounter with a man who identifies other than straight in a long time. So, there's one option. And before you pass judgment on me; I do not condone such activity. So called straight men are the fastest growing segment of the population who are at risk for HIV & many other STD's. Thank God I am in a relationship. :tongue: