How far the democrats have moved on immigration

[b.c.]

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Odd, since you repeatedly feel compelled to “out” anyone, this time penisaficiando, who gets a like from anyone with whom you don’t agree. You cannot fathom how anyone could possibly “concur with all or part of a particular position / post” that is not consistent with your agenda. You automatically label those who oppose you as racist, mean spirited, narrow minded, bigoted, or of being a trump supporter, all based on your own warped, off balanced interpretive view of one’s “prior posting history that’s here for all to see.” You are unable to accept any part with which someone may concur or support an opposing view for fear it will diminish your platform of hate. You feel the need to discredit and demean by any and every means available, rather than engage in civil dialogue. You have a “take no prisoners,” “all is fair game,” “you’re with me, or against me” approach. Clearly, your style is repugnant, and it is repeatedly called out for being spun into the vile propaganda that it is. You would think after so many highlighting your ill behavior, YOU might get it.

Sadly, you don’t. HINT HINT.

Read again. I mentioned FOUR categories and a person. And yes, I'd be particularly concerned if either conservatives, racists, bigots, or Trump supporters consistently agreed with ME.

As for ideology and those that favors tax breaks for the wealthy while supporting cuts to programs to those in need, that supports the separation of children from their families as a deliberately PUNITIVE measure against those seeking asylum and a better way of life, that seek to disenfranchise minority voters, that defend discrimination against gays, and that seek to villainize minorities, immigrants and certain others, DAMNED right... that IMO is racist, mean spirited, narrow minded AND bigoted.

Though it comes as NO surprise that someone such as YOU, who wrote silly shit like how you might get a raise if you had a black sounding name or wore a kippah, would categorize my position as a fkn "platform of hate."

No need to wonder which category YOU belong to, eh?

 

[malakos]

And who is currently advocating that specific position?

This broader attitude has been growing among neoprogressive Democrats for some time now, but apparently it's picking up some favor among several congressional Democrats:

These Democrats want to abolish ICE
The list of Democrats calling to abolish ICE keeps growing
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...me-democrats-with-eye-on-2020-say-abolish-ice
Abolish ICE calls expose Democrats ideological split

The focus is indeed on the abolition of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. However, the justifications provided for doing so show us the ideology underlying this position. Even these congresspersons say that it is immoral and we do not have the right to deport those who have entered our country illegally.

 

[Klingsor]

This broader attitude has been growing among neoprogressive Democrats for some time now, but apparently it's picking up some favor among several congressional Democrats:

These Democrats want to abolish ICE
The list of Democrats calling to abolish ICE keeps growing
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...me-democrats-with-eye-on-2020-say-abolish-ice
Abolish ICE calls expose Democrats ideological split

The focus is indeed on the abolition of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. However, the justifications provided for doing so show us the ideology underlying this position. Even these congresspersons say that it is immoral and we do not have the right to deport those who have entered our country illegally.

ICE has only existed post 9/11; we did without them before, and presumably could do without them again if we so chose.

Besides that, ICE is not responsible for border security, so Trump's rabble-rousing scare tactics are as dishonest as most everything else he says.

 

[b.c.]

ICE has only existed post 9/11; we did without them before, and presumably could do without them again if we so chose.

Besides that, ICE is not responsible for border security, so Trump's rabble-rousing scare tactics are as dishonest as most everything else he says.

And rabble rousing scare tactic is precisely what it is. I don't know of many Democrats/liberals who are advocating for wide open borders:

Democrats.org: Change that Matters

Yes there are Democrats in Congress that support some unpopular catch and release proposals:

On immigration, Democrats give Trump the upper hand — again - The Washington Post

But:

"A new Economist/YouGov poll showed that 54 percent of Americans disapprove of separating families who cross the border illegally... the poll found the most popular policy — supported by 44 percent of Americans and even 49 percent of Democrats — is “holding families together in detention centers until an immigration hearing at a later date.”"

 

[malakos]

ICE has only existed post 9/11; we did without them before, and presumably could do without them again if we so chose.

Besides that, ICE is not responsible for border security, so Trump's rabble-rousing scare tactics are as dishonest as most everything else he says.

Just as I said I was not talking about Obama, nor am I talking about Trump. I'm only making a claim about a shift in ideology among some Democrats.

I'm aware of the recent creation of ICE. That is why I pointed out the justifications for the policy, rather than the policy itself. The justifications provided largely are concerned with deportations being supposedly immoral. In the view of hard progressive wing of the Democratic Party, we apparently do not have a right to enforce a system of legal residency of our choosing. Think of it what you will, but as far as I can see, the premises underlying this "abolish ICE" movement demonstrate that there is a shift currently underway among Democrats to a different view of national right to control immigration, borders, and terms and enforcement of legal residency. That is all I have set out to argue. Do you find the provided statements from these handful of congressional Democrats insufficient to demonstrate there is such a shift occurring, to some extent?

 

[bigmatt1983]

almost as far as republicans have moved huh?

 

[Klingsor]

Do you find the provided statements from these handful of congressional Democrats insufficient to demonstrate there is such a shift occurring, to some extent?

Well if you're going to qualify your claim (at least, to some extent ), then sure, why not? But I would add that any such shift has been largely precipitated by the Trump administration's handling of immigration issues. If we've seen a new attitude among Democrats over the past couple of years, it didn't arise in a vacuum.

 

[b.c.]

almost as far as republicans have moved huh?

Exactly, Matt.

Absolutely inspiring (ahem) political discourse between two giants of GOP realm. Video segment sponsored by the law firm of Hem, Haw, and Obfuscate.

 

[sudcalifornio]

I'm confused. Was Obama the soft-on-illegal-immigrants opposite of Clinton, or was he just as much of a hardliner on migrant families as Trump?

You can't have it both ways.

Wasn't Obama's administration who have most deportations?

 

[phonehome]

Ok so if "abolish ICE is supposed to mean that the Fox news fueled echo chambers says it means then does "abolish the IRS" a long time right wing talking point also mean that the Federal Government will no longer collect "revenue" ?

 

[Klingsor]

Wasn't Obama's administration who have most deportations?

By some measures, yes. But he never needed places all over the country to stash thousands of children separated from their asylum-seeking parents.