How hard is it for guys to say 'no'?

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horribleperson said:
ive had a few girls get upset with me and a few have said "look i want you to fuck me" when a girl is this ready and im not i will tell her lets fuck in a public place ( the bathroom, in my car in the parking lot, or behind the bushes ) someplace i know she is gonna say no to.

if im out at a bar and a girl is hitting on me i will not leave with her that night. i will give her my number and have her call me in a few days, then when she does call i play stupid (this will drive a girl nuts). in college at parties if a girl came on to me i would waste as much time as i could to see how long it took her to bring up sex.

if a girl comes up to me and the first words out of her mouth are "hey arent you that guy with the huge cock" then i know right off the bat she wants to fuck right then and there. if the girl isnt super smoking hot then i will say im here with someone.


something else that works very well is saying "i dont have a condom" if she says it dont matter then you get to turn the tables at her and get all pisssed off at her cuz she wants to fuck with out a condom and how nasty that is ect.ect.

You are my hero, this is some hilarious stuff.

For anyone about to give him shit, think about this- what's the "mature" thing to do, tell the truth? I submit-

Unhot girl: "Wow, I thought that was you when I saw you from across the room."
Hot guy:"Who are you?"
Unhot girl: "Oh, you don't know me, my name's Martha. You dated my friend a while ago and she said you were really hung, is it true?"
Hot guy, feeling queasy: "Uh yeah, that's what they tell me"
Unhot girl: "Wow, I like big guys, I'd really love to see it sometime..."

drumroll please.......

Hot guy: "Gee, I don't think so, I'm really not attracted to you"


Hahahahaha, yeah, let's just SEE how mature a woman would be about THAT, even though it would be the right thing to do. Most men learn early on that women are mostly vapid and egotistical. No wonder they play games with us, look how good we do with honesty.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Um, isn't that one of the main purposes for condoms? Regardless of your gender or your fuck-buddy's gender, unprotected sex outside of an exclusive relationship is wrong, immoral, unethical, and just plain stupid.

I'm probably going to piss some people off with what I have to say, but I feel like I have to add to this statement. As far as ethics goes, protected sex doesn't prevent all of the problems that can come from unprotected sex. You can still make babies and get STDs if you are wearing a condom. Protection can reduce the risk of babies and STDs, but no condom manufacturer will claim that their product is effective in every situation.

This is because of two main reasons. Defective condoms can make it through and not everyone knows how to properly use condoms.

Am I advocating that sexual protection should be banned? No. Rather, I am saying that anyone who has sex, whether it is protected or not, needs to understand the potential risks. In other words, sexual protection is not a panacea. It's better than nothing, but advocating its use without advertising the risk falls along the same lines of irresponsibility of not using protection to begin with.
 

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madame_zora said:
Unhot girl: "Wow, I thought that was you when I saw you from across the room."
Hot guy:"Who are you?"
Unhot girl: "Oh, you don't know me, my name's Martha. You dated my friend a while ago and she said you were really hung, is it true?"
Hot guy, feeling queasy: "Uh yeah, that's what they tell me"
Unhot girl: "Wow, I like big guys, I'd really love to see it sometime..."
Hot guy: "Gee, I don't think so, I'm really not attracted to you"

Were you there eavesdropping that night, Jana? But her name was Clothilde, not Martha. Other than that, it was almost verbatim. One important difference: "... and he said you were really hung." Okay, she knew I was gay, and yet she couldn't understand why I didn't want to plow her papaya.

It's easy to say no; what's hard is to get people to hear the answer they don't want to hear. No means no, not I want to hear you beg a little longer.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Regardless of your gender or your fuck-buddy's gender, unprotected sex outside of an exclusive relationship is wrong, immoral, unethical, and just plain stupid.
Please explain what you mean by these words, kthx.
 

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Spladle said:
Please explain what you mean by these words, kthx.
Spladle, I had you pegged for someone who could figure these things out on your own... but here goes: wrong = not right; immoral = not moral; unethical = not ethical. kyrwlcm
 

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horribleperson said:
ive had a few girls get upset with me and a few have said "look i want you to fuck me" when a girl is this ready and im not i will tell her lets fuck in a public place ( the bathroom, in my car in the parking lot, or behind the bushes ) someplace i know she is gonna say no to.

if im out at a bar and a girl is hitting on me i will not leave with her that night. i will give her my number and have her call me in a few days, then when she does call i play stupid (this will drive a girl nuts). in college at parties if a girl came on to me i would waste as much time as i could to see how long it took her to bring up sex.

if a girl comes up to me and the first words out of her mouth are "hey arent you that guy with the huge cock" then i know right off the bat she wants to fuck right then and there. if the girl isnt super smoking hot then i will say im here with someone.


something else that works very well is saying "i dont have a condom" if she says it dont matter then you get to turn the tables at her and get all pisssed off at her cuz she wants to fuck with out a condom and how nasty that is ect.ect.

Horrible, that are some decent ways out if she doesn't understand the "no, thank you" and lacks total respect for your person and integrety !
 

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felix20 said:
...As far as ethics goes, protected sex doesn't prevent all of the problems that can come from unprotected sex. You can still make babies and get STDs if you are wearing a condom. Protection can reduce the risk of babies and STDs, but no condom manufacturer will claim that their product is effective in every situation.

This is because of two main reasons. Defective condoms can make it through and not everyone knows how to properly use condoms.
I have no argument there. But just saying "it is not 100% effective, so I won't use it" is just plain silly. The ethics part of the equation comes from taking what precautions are available to you, not whether or not those precautions are absolutely foolproof. If you are sexually active with more than one person, it is your responsibility to be tested regularly for STDs and to use the not-always-effective-but-better-than-nothing condom. Of course there is not much you can do if you get a defective condom. But I won't make any excuses for someone who is not bright enough to at least read the directions and know how to use a condom properly.

felix20 said:
Am I advocating that sexual protection should be banned? No. Rather, I am saying that anyone who has sex, whether it is protected or not, needs to understand the potential risks. In other words, sexual protection is not a panacea. It's better than nothing, but advocating its use without advertising the risk falls along the same lines of irresponsibility of not using protection to begin with.
Again, this does not make any sense. I do agree that anyone who has sex MUST be held accountable for the consequences, whatever they may be. But I fail to see how leaving out (probably inaccurate) failure rate statistics for condoms is in any way similar to disregarding what protection they may provide. Isn't "risk + some protection" a better equation than "risk + zero protection"?
 

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When I was in high school there was a girl who was very aggressive and would write notes, call, etc. telling me how much she wanted to sleep with me, etc. I never did anything with her because I was still a virgin at that time and had all those silly thoughts about 'purity' and 'saving myself.' About a year later I find out she ended up getting pregnant (at 16) and dropped out of school.
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Knowing what I know now and how I view sex, I probably should have nailed her (with protection of course)...
 

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I've never turned anyone down. I'm just that nice lol. Also, the times girls have asked me for sex (just one other) I hadnt masturbated for 3 days or something crazy like that, and hadn't had sex for many months. She didnt even ask me, she threw herself at me...but thats the closest I've come to being propsitioned.

The other times were with the ex gf...I should have said no, I dont do marine mammals...but I was young, naive and wanted to see what sex was like. The other person I sexed and still do is my gf. She turns ME down sometimes :p

I recall now though that on the estate where I used to live, there were a few girls who did say 'let me sleep at yours' or give me a drink (beer) etc and would have slept with me. But they were real skanks and I wouldnt ever go near them. Me and my mate were reminiscing about this last week.

However, as for an actual, serious proposition? I've never had one. They've either been totally whorish and out of the question/I've not taken them seriously or just thrown themselves at me...and I've been too drunk and/or horny to resist.

Now I want a girl to beg to sleep with me lol I feel left out :(
 

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Aggressive flirting I've seen, but I've never had a woman come on that strong about wanting to sleep with me when I didn't want her to. Apparently I give off a discouraging vibe if I'm not attracted to her.

Actually I'd like to know where these women are. Not so I can sleep with a woman I don't like, but just to witness it for my own amusement.
 

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I got married young and she was my first. The bummer is that she never put out, and called me a freak, pervert, etc. for the different things I liked or wanted to try sexually. It was an abusive relationship in general and it took me a few years after the divorce to realize it. Now my phobia of sex and relationships with women pretty much makes me say NO to any woman who flirts with or propositions me. (try 5 years) Trust me...Turning down a smokin hot woman is easy, but it still hurts.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Spladle, I had you pegged for someone who could figure these things out on your own... but here goes: wrong = not right; immoral = not moral; unethical = not ethical. kyrwlcm
Please explain what you mean by these words, kthx.
 

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Spladle said:
Please explain what you mean by these words, kthx.
<sigh> Please invest in a good dictionary. I will use Webster's....
right adj. 1: being in accordance with what is just, good, or proper. 4: SUITABLE OR APPROPRIATE 11a: being in good physical or mental health or order.

moral adj. 1a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL c: conforming to a standard of right behavior.

ethical adj. 1: of or pertaining to ethics (the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group. kyrwlcm
 

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DC_DEEP said:
<sigh> Please invest in a good dictionary. I will use Webster's....
right adj. 1: being in accordance with what is just, good, or proper. 4: SUITABLE OR APPROPRIATE 11a: being in good physical or mental health or order.

moral adj. 1a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL c: conforming to a standard of right behavior.

ethical adj. 1: of or pertaining to ethics (the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group. kyrwlcm
Thank you. Now that we agree on the terms being used, could you please try to explain why you believe that unprotected sex outside of an exclusive relationship is wrong, immoral, and unethical?
 

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Spladle said:
Thank you. Now that we agree on the terms being used, could you please try to explain why you believe that unprotected sex outside of an exclusive relationship is wrong, immoral, and unethical?
It's pretty simple, actually. It is safe to presume that if one person is willing to have unprotected sex with another person with whom they do not have an exclusive relationship, then that person is willing to have unprotected sex with any number others outside that relationship. A willingness to expose oneself to STDs, and to expose others to those STDs, is not appropriate to maintaining one's health or the sex partners' health (see definition of "right"); it does not adhere to principles of right behavior (see definition of "moral"); nor does it conform to principles of good conduct governing an individual or group (see definition of "ethical"). That a person can do it once without contracting or spreading a disease is not the issue; the willingness to disregard the possibility is the transgression.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
It's pretty simple, actually. It is safe to presume that if one person is willing to have unprotected sex with another person with whom they do not have an exclusive relationship, then that person is willing to have unprotected sex with any number others outside that relationship. A willingness to expose oneself to STDs, and to expose others to those STDs, is not appropriate to maintaining one's health or the sex partners' health (see definition of "right"); it does not adhere to principles of right behavior (see definition of "moral"); nor does it conform to principles of good conduct governing an individual or group (see definition of "ethical"). That a person can do it once without contracting or spreading a disease is not the issue; the willingness to disregard the possibility is the transgression.
That makes sense.
 

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Oh, yeah...



Angry isn’t the word - Women get pissed off if they are ever turned down. Especially the ones that probably wouldn’t normally get turned down by anyone - ever.
 

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Twice in my twenties I said "Yes" to girls I should have said "No" to. One was a work colleague who went on to spread doubt about my sexuality around the workplace. The other then she'd fallen in love with me after we'd slept together, and was devastated when I told her it wasn't reciprocated.

In my experience then, it's better to face the music and say "no" there and then, rather than face tears and or vengeance further down the line. Honesty is the best policy, however bitter a pill it is to swallow.
 

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Happened once, in a nightclub with this woman who was what most blokes would see as very attractive, but by christ she knew it and would play on it (having blokes buying her drinks because she'd flirted with them a little bit etc). Some of her friends had been talking to a couple of blokes I'm friends with and she started talking to me. Near the end of the night, with about 20 mins left, she asked me if I wanted to share a taxi with me when it came time to leave. I said something about how I thought she lived miles from where I did and she said,"no, I mean you come back to mine". I think she was so used to getting blokes to do what she wanted that it didn't register at first when I said that I had to go home to feed my cats. Once it did register, I made an excuse and disappeared pretty quickly.

In truth, I wasn't interested as I was still trying to think of some way to open a conversation with this woman that I'd been admiring from afar for a few weeks and wanted to try and catch her before she left (as it was, I missed her that night, but spoke to her the next week - we'll have been together for 11 years in a couple of weeks time!). My friends told me that after I'd scarperd she looked like someone had come over and pissed in her drink (not a happy camper!); being turned down by some Adonis might have just been acceptable, but by some long-haired clown who looked like Neil Young was beyond the pale! My wife told me that for months after we started seeing each other, she'd keep getting these really filthy looks from this person she kept bumping into in the toilets.

In the end, even though it's not exactly the action of a caring person I'm really glad I did what I did, purely as a blow for us not-so-beautiful people against the beautiful people elite who think they can just walk over and have any person they want - everyone of them should have a lesson in humility to remind them that they're not any better than us ugly fuckers who have to get used to being rejected as a way of life!