How is Ron Paul "Loony" or "kooky"

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Children should be taken away from their mom and put into foster homes. She isnt fit to raise them and the father is in prison. Let her be the aunt instead of the direct mother, it lets her stay in their lives but prevents suffering. Having one kid is expensive enough, I cant even imagine having 15. How did she pay the hospital bills?

You did. I did. We all did.
 

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His principled position to keep government out of our personal lives(and... following the Constitution) is the reasoning for his "no" on those bills; not necessarily the contents of the bills themselves.

Are you incapable of seeing the bigger picture there?

Unconstitutional is unconstitutional no matter how you slice it. A lot of those things would require an amendment.

His foreign policy is stellar and how it should be... but let me guess, you assume he's an isolationist? :rolleyes:

So if so into keeping the government out of people's lives, why has he devoted so much time to voting for and writing anti-gay legitlation?
 
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Yes, welfare was not a problem in the early days when it benefited white women. Actually, government subsidies (such as land grants, for instance) weren't a problem either...when it benefited white establishment.

Exactly

But never will people who rail against welfare admit that the vast majority of recipients are white.

Nope. Politically it won't get you anywhere. We need to rail against minorities ( religious, sexual, racial, etc) in order to win. You need to paint a picture of 'us vs. them'. "We will lose if we let them win". Of course never mind the data is in and it's crystal clear who is winning in this game.
 

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Hospitals cannot deny someone care if admitted through an ER (i.e. they can't ask you you if you can pay or not). When someone lacks insurance, Medicare will reimburse the hospital up to a certain percentage of the cost. However, she likely had Medicaid, which would've paid those bills.
They cannot deny someone care, but they can ask you to pay the bill over time as a debt. I am in the process of working out the billing for a hospital visit while I was not insured (3 day visit cost me 10 grand, I had to wait 6 months to get coverage for a pre-existing condition as I messed up and missed the 30 day window when moving).
 

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I assume you mean to the left, but yes it has gotten bad. Thank the neo-conservatives and the rise in popularity of people like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry. The country has moved to the right so much so that someone like Ron Paul seems liberal.

And don't get me started on the Tea Party people...

I'm pretty sure they meant what they were saying. I forgot who said it and I don't know how to multi-quote, but they compared Ron Paul to Barry Goldwater.

Ron Paul is as conservative as they come.

He is so conservative that his views start coming around to the point of seeming humane, or "liberal" in some cases.

For instance he is pro gay rights, sort of. But that is not because he loves gay people, he is just so profoundly conservative that he will not let his probable prejudices dictate over his desire for as little government interference as possible.

He could be pro-slavery, if slavery wasn't so incredibly un-pc in today's world. Ron Paul has been shown to be somwhat racist.

He is a throwback to the days of yeoman farming. In the sense of making this system work, he makes a lot of sense. We live in a system deeply rooted in exploitation. When slavery ended, we exported it into the 3rd and 4th world. Now we're bringing it home. A vote for Ron Paul brings 21st century indentured servitude closer to our backyards.

We need ideas that are much less free market, Darwinist, and consumer based, and more off the grid, sustainable, community based.

Paul is one of the most anti-war candidates, but his reasons are different reasons than any person on the left.

But I do agree that Paul is a better choice than the Santorums and Gingrichs of the world. Those neo-cons are not conservative at all. They are totalitarians. There is nothing conservative about state control, military domination, police command centers, suburban taskforces and increasing checkpoints.

Those "neocons," are in actuality, fascist totalitarians. In my estimation, Ron Paul illustrates with his relatively palatable standpoints that there are actually standpoints worse than being conservative.

And it illustrates to me how many people I respect could be conservative. They weren't bad people, they just wanted local rights and less regulations so they could do their thing. Well good for them. Say no to fascism.
 
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They cannot deny someone care, but they can ask you to pay the bill over time as a debt. I am in the process of working out the billing for a hospital visit while I was not insured (3 day visit cost me 10 grand, I had to wait 6 months to get coverage for a pre-existing condition as I messed up and missed the 30 day window when moving).

You were what they call a 'cash patient'. And that is something you don't ever want to be as you know. People literally go bankrupt trying to pay off medical debt. No other developed country in the world can that happen but in the U.S.
 

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He's a constitutionalist and a strong believer in small government.

Sadly, we like in a country where people believe the government should do more. That's why folks believe he's crazy.
 

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"I will ride the lightning. It happend to my kitty, and Elvis was part of it."

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You were what they call a 'cash patient'. And that is something you don't ever want to be as you know. People literally go bankrupt trying to pay off medical debt. No other developed country in the world can that happen but in the U.S.

When I have a health problem ALL I worry about is how serious it might be. The financial implications, in terms of paying for care, as opposed to the impact on my life if I were seriously ill, never enter my head. I have a chronic health condition for which I'm seen regularly - support workers help me with practical and financial issues. Currently I have a bad back - I can phone up tomorrow and go my doctor a couple of days afterwards.

Strangely enough I have no fear of the cost, even though I'm poor - then again I live in the UK.

Of course the NHS isn't perfect - contrary to the right-wing propaganda about the "costly" NHS, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare than many developed nations - certainly less than the oh-so-wonderful USA.

Much of the propaganda comes from the free-market ideologues who've held sway since Thatcher and who would secretly like nothing more than the huge riches that would come the way of them and their friends in a privatised system. Constantly tinkering with the NHS under the guise of "reform" when the secret aganda is to actually undermine it, so the proponents of private healthcare can point and jeer and call for more private input is becoming a tried and tested tactic to try and erode the huge regard this "socialist" system is held in by most ordinary people in this country.

There are three things that would make me extremely wary of ever working or living in the US, as much as I admire many things about the country. The extreme racism in some parts of the country and the apparent racial separation that seems to exist there (separate black and white TV ratings? WTF?); the private health system and the gun laws. Despite some of the nonsense I've heard about the UK from some the US gun lobby, the annual murder rate for the entire UK - a population of 60 odd million - is around 1'000, with firearms accounting for about fifty of those.

I'm not denying we have a problem with violence in some parts of the country; our clubs were even banned from playing football in other countries for a while because of the violent behaviour of our fans. The difference is that most of the violent offenders use knives - its kind of difficult to carry out a drive-by knifing, or to cut down multiple victims from a thousand yards away with a machete. Seems kind of obvious really.
 
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When I have a health problem ALL I worry about is how serious it might be. The financial implications, in terms of paying for care, as opposed to the impact on my life if I were seriously ill, never enter my head. I have a chronic health condition for which I'm seen regularly - support workers help me with practical and financial issues. Currently I have a bad back - I can phone up tomorrow and go my doctor a couple of days afterwards.

Strangely enough I have no fear of the cost, even though I'm poor - then again I live in the UK.

Of course the NHS isn't perfect - contrary to the right-wing propaganda about the "costly" NHS, we spend less as a percentage of GDP on healthcare than many developed nations - certainly less than the oh-so-wonderful USA.

Much of the propaganda comes from the free-market ideologues who've held sway since Thatcher and who would secretly like nothing more than the huge riches that would come the way of them and their friends in a privatised system. Constantly tinkering with the NHS under the guise of "reform" when the secret aganda is to actually undermine it, so the proponents of private healthcare can point and jeer and call for more private input is becoming a tried and tested tactic to try and erode the huge regard this "socialist" system is held in by most ordinary people in this country.

There are three things that would make me extremely wary of ever working or living in the US, as much as I admire many things about the country. The extreme racism in some parts of the country and the apparent racial separation that seems to exist there (separate black and white TV ratings? WTF?); the private health system and the gun laws. Despite some of the nonsense I've heard about the UK from some the US gun lobby, the annual murder rate for the entire UK - a population of 60 odd million - is around 1'000, with firearms accounting for about fifty of those.

I'm not denying we have a problem with violence in some parts of the country; our clubs were even banned from playing football in other countries for a while because of the violent behaviour of our fans. The difference is that most of the violent offenders use knives - its kind of difficult to carry out a drive-by knifing, or to cut down multiple victims from a thousand yards away with a machete. Seems kind of obvious really.

Don't worry, I share similar sentiments and I grew up in the US South. This nation needs to get off its high-horse and deal with some of its clearly ridiculous racial animus that still persists institutionally and socially.
 

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What's loony is last election season liberals were asking Paul why he wasn't a democrat!!! Hasn't anyone caught on to how this whole "democrat" "republican" "ideology" thing works yet? It's a pretty fascinating method of distraction. Too much group think, not enough independent intellectuals in this country
 

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I know this is only one thing and there are other things that he could be viewed as "irresponsible" in regards to but I'm going to tackle the whole he would abolish the Civil Rights issue.

Ron Paul believes that groups don't have rights, okay they don't. Minorities are considered groups. I think a lot of people see the whole he would abolish Civil Rights and immediately slap the "racist" label on him without looking further at his other political views.

Ron Paul believes in the rights of individuals, of which people in minorities are. So he won't abolish minority rights, but rather set up a different guideline by which we all, minorities included have rights.
 

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Just very misguided. The link here is to an 1840 UK newspaper article I use at the college where I teach on early lassiez-faire capitalism. It bitterly opposed planned legislation against widespread child factory labor as young as 8 and 9 on classic "liberation" lines: freedom of choice, regulation harms families, government interference never solves any problem, government should never interfere in the market. Same crap that these people have been saying for two hundred years.

Seeing how this barbarism with a human face, hiding behind slogans of freedom and liberty, has facilitated the most ruthless of exploitation has been the best inoculation for impressionable young people against it that I've come across in quite a while. Don't take these people on just on abstract principle, show exactly who they've been and what they've done over time in the real world.