Excellent. I agree completely. I've been saying that to you for pages and pages on here. We both agree it's worthless then and you'll stop referencing it every other post then?
How many men are actually bisexual?
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Good point. Here in the UK the companies all ask sexuality. I have seen a tickbox form asking detailed categorisation (14 possible answers) and then ''Other'' as number 15.
No way would I select anything other than Heterosexual in a company questionnaire. I have never lied about who I am ever in my life until I encountered the UK. That kind of information is under lock and key but can be accessed by senior data analysts and although this data will unlikely ever go onto a report I don't want any data analyst looking at my personal data.
So yes, people lie lie lie on forms and tick boxes.
Interesting how they all "lie" one way to please the predilection and fantasy of some homosexual males. Of course, you cannot know they "lie" and I don't think you're the arbiter of who is a liar and who is telling the truth.
Where the FK did I say that I was the arbiter of who tells the truth. You are not qualified to make any assumptions about me. You keep trying to debate me. I am not intested in you or your opinion. Don't bother comenting on anything a post. Go away.
Sexuality is a complex topic. Sexual behavior does not equate to sexual attraction. With that said, for gay men who have had sex with women, it could be that they are bisexual, but they have strong(er) attractions to men to the point they identify as gay. There are men who identify as straight or heterosexual who are the same.
In addition, there is more social incentive or reward for a man to have sex with a woman as opposed to a man. Men, who knew or have known that they were 100% gay, are more likely to have had sex with women. Conversely, one would be hard-pressed to come across a man who is 100% heterosexual who has had encounters with the same sex.
...one would not only be "hard-pressed to come across a man who is 100% heterosexual who has had encounters with the same sex" but such a man would, by definition, not be "100% heterosexual." Is there some movement of which I'm not aware to undermine and obfuscate what it means to be heterosexual?
Again, sexual behavior does not equate to sexual identity. There are circumstances, often where girls or women are not present, where heterosexual men engage in sex with members of the same sex.
If sexual behavior does not equate to sexual identity then how one identifies is meaningless because the decisions and actions of the individual is paramount. I can identify as a parrot, but if I don't have brightly colored feathers and fly around the jungles or rain forests of Australia, Asia, South America or Africa, then I'm hardly a parrot.
No, it does not work that way. Terminology has been created by man to succinctly identify ideas, objects, people, etc. However, terminology is not all-encompassing.
With my previous reference to men who were 100% homosexual, but had sex with women, for example, they had sex with women out of sense of survival, on some level. They did not want to risk losing their lives, livelihoods, relationships, etc. They were (or are) still completely gay, but in terms of behavior, they had sex with women to conform, thrive, and/or survive.
The analogy using the Parrot falls short. It would have been better had you been more specific and said that you can identify as one kind of Parrot with a certain set of features, life expectancy, regional locality, etc. However, you identify as another kind of Parrot with different aforementioned traits or characteristics.
While a Parrot is a Parrot, there are several variations in the species of Parrots. The same applies to humans. There are several variations for human sexuality. However, a human is still a human.
You are claiming you know the boxes people check on the forms line up with their true sexuality.
If you claim to be clairvoyant, why can't he?
Obviously you can't poll men to find out if they're bi and get an accurate number. Too many are closeted/dl. The concept of using a poll to accurately acquire information you know many of the people taking it are actively concealing is so stupid it should be illegal.
Both you and I are direct examples of people who engage in MM activities and check straight on polls. But watch him claim that 3% number as unchallengable truth
I'm claiming that an argument from homosexual males that virtually all males are gay or bisexual based on how they think men lie about identifying as "straight" is a fallacious and specious argument.
You have cited a specific number repeatedly throughout this thread and attacked anyone who questioned the number as being irrational.
Are you saying bisexual men don't lie and say their straight in many cases?
I am saying that one cannot assume straight men lie about being straight and scale that assumption into a belief that all, or a great preponderance of, straight men are actually gay or bisexual. It's a ridiculous notion driven by the insecurity of having a minority sexual preference. I find that insecurity tragic. Playing make-believe that my club is bigger is no substitute for being your own man and following your own sexual preference path, no matter others do not join in numbers one finds unsatisfying.
So you believe bi and closeted men tell the truth when given a poll?
Or are you asserting that the number of such men is so low that it won't affect the polls accuracy?
This is not about deluding oneself or not but of being realistic. These polls don't make sense because they talk about how many people "IDENTIFIED" as Bi or gay. But the truth is that no matter how objective they try to be, they will never actually know how many gay or bi people there are out there. And this for obvious reasons. Although we are in 2023 there are still many people who, due to social pressure, external and internalized homophobia or religious reasons, prefer to keep their sexuality private. Furthermore, we must consider those bisexuals who didn't participate in the survey. So it's obvious that in truth the percentage is much higher.
It is no coincidence that over the years, this number increases because people feel more comfortable to express their sexuality. As has already been said when it comes to bisexuality the question becomes complicated because there are many nuances. For example there are Bi men who are more into women and for this reason prefer to identify as straight, or those who don't like labels.
In my opinion the illusion is to believe that anyone is willing to declare their sexuality.
I dispute the logic that causes you to assert, "So it's obvious that in truth the percentage is much higher." The narrative you advance is tired and desperate. I know it so well, I could mindless repeat it myself. It is designed to lead to a conclusion that no men are heterosexual and all men are, at least, some part homosexual, even if they don't know it. And if they don't admit it, then they are lying. The intent is to erase heterosexual males; the motivation for doing so is an interesting discussion.
Apparently you like twisting my words around. 1. I never said either of those things. I myself am against those people who say that doesn't exist men who are 100% straight.
2. There is no intent to erase heterosexual men.
It would be foolish to think that.
3. If you had carefully read what I wrote you'd understand that what I meant to say is that these surveys can never be 100% reliable because they can't have an actual estimate of how many people are really bisexual/gay since not everyone wants that one's sexuality is public knowledge. You delude yourself if you don't think so. Then I didn't say that this means that all heterosexuals men are actually closeted gay or bisexual, even you take it as this way.
4. The narrative I advance is not influenced by wishful thinking but is based on an obvious fact that you can't expect to know the whole world.
Now, with that said, If you don't get it yourself I don't know what to tell you but don't twist my words.
