How many men, do you think, believe they are "small" ?

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I hear excuse after excuse about how the average just MUST be that small, even though almost any gay man will tell you that just isn't true. Guys want to grasp on to the small number so they can say they are above average, when in fact, they are likely average. There is no reason to think smaller guys don't have sex. The guy who has been with 600 guys and less than 10% were less than 6 inches just shows how completely wrong these stats are. I haven 't been with that many guys but I'd agree with the 10% less than 6 inches - if that TBH.
Well then i feel special. I'm rare. It's not a statistic that many enjoy.

Aside from all that, i do wonder how these averages are compiled. I have gone to nudist beach (again, might be nudist/body shame bias here) and casually noticed how in the minority i was. Was it because guys who are not hung are not likely nudists in public? Is it because perhaps the people we see that are larger might pump or fluff before getting nude?
 
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I'm always a little saddened by threads such as these. I personally do not believe that penis size has a great deal to do with how much pleasure the penis owner derives from his own cock. How many LPSG members have never masturbated themselves? My guess is less than 1%. Therefore, nearly all of us have pleasured ourselves and probably done some hundreds or even thousands of times. Weren't those events pleasurable and satisfying? Of course, the vast majority of self-love session are pleasurable and definitely "scratch and itch" for me.

The bottom line for me is for people to be happy with themselves, to feel fortunate with whatever you have. Hell, I'm in my late 60s and wish that my hair wasn't turning gray. There's not much I can or am willing (no hair coloring) to do about it. It is the same way with our cocks. Realistically, you cannot make it larger and/or very few of us are willing to go through the procedures or exercises necessary to gain something. So, why not work with what you have and find pleasure in it?
 

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I'm always a little saddened by threads such as these. I personally do not believe that penis size has a great deal to do with how much pleasure the penis owner derives from his own cock. How many LPSG members have never masturbated themselves? My guess is less than 1%. Therefore, nearly all of us have pleasured ourselves and probably done some hundreds or even thousands of times. Weren't those events pleasurable and satisfying? Of course, the vast majority of self-love session are pleasurable and definitely "scratch and itch" for me.

The bottom line for me is for people to be happy with themselves, to feel fortunate with whatever you have. Hell, I'm in my late 60s and wish that my hair wasn't turning gray. There's not much I can or am willing (no hair coloring) to do about it. It is the same way with our cocks. Realistically, you cannot make it larger and/or very few of us are willing to go through the procedures or exercises necessary to gain something. So, why not work with what you have and find pleasure in it?
Considering most of this website is geared to size-based glorification/celebration or shame it is going to be common to see threads like this and others looking for validation. How many threads are geared towards SPH and "bigger is better" and hyping size? I try to make threads celebrating small or average size guys and there is little interaction.
 
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I'm always a little saddened by threads such as these. I personally do not believe that penis size has a great deal to do with how much pleasure the penis owner derives from his own cock. How many LPSG members have never masturbated themselves? My guess is less than 1%. Therefore, nearly all of us have pleasured ourselves and probably done some hundreds or even thousands of times. Weren't those events pleasurable and satisfying? Of course, the vast majority of self-love session are pleasurable and definitely "scratch and itch" for me.

The bottom line for me is for people to be happy with themselves, to feel fortunate with whatever you have. Hell, I'm in my late 60s and wish that my hair wasn't turning gray. There's not much I can or am willing (no hair coloring) to do about it. It is the same way with our cocks. Realistically, you cannot make it larger and/or very few of us are willing to go through the procedures or exercises necessary to gain something. So, why not work with what you have and find pleasure in it?
I’m not “saddened” by the thread. I think this thread is necessary. But I do agree with you that more guys should be content (even happy) with their size. Of course that’s easier said than done in our gay culture always that’s asking guys who “big” they are, but I hope by highlighting hot guys who are small or average that it changes the narrative.
 
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I'm always a little saddened by threads such as these. I personally do not believe that penis size has a great deal to do with how much pleasure the penis owner derives from his own cock. How many LPSG members have never masturbated themselves? My guess is less than 1%. Therefore, nearly all of us have pleasured ourselves and probably done some hundreds or even thousands of times. Weren't those events pleasurable and satisfying? Of course, the vast majority of self-love session are pleasurable and definitely "scratch and itch" for me.

The bottom line for me is for people to be happy with themselves, to feel fortunate with whatever you have. Hell, I'm in my late 60s and wish that my hair wasn't turning gray. There's not much I can or am willing (no hair coloring) to do about it. It is the same way with our cocks. Realistically, you cannot make it larger and/or very few of us are willing to go through the procedures or exercises necessary to gain something. So, why not work with what you have and find pleasure in it?
I understand the sentiment behind your post but it also kind of bothers me. Cosmetic surgery exists for a reason. For example, if a woman feels that her breast size is inadequate, she has the option to pursue breast enlargement. There are surgeons and the technology out there for it, and it's an entire industry. Why does something similar not exist for men and our penises? For those of us who are small, why are we always told to accept our size as what it is? I should hope that medical research can take us to a better place surrounding issues like this, and hopefully sometime soon, but its attitudes around acceptance that hinders advancement to something better. I think we should always aspire for modern medicine to push forward on all kinds of cures, whether it be something medically necessary to cosmetic such as reasonable penis enlargement.
 
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I hear excuse after excuse about how the average just MUST be that small, even though almost any gay man will tell you that just isn't true. Guys want to grasp on to the small number so they can say they are above average, when in fact, they are likely average. There is no reason to think smaller guys don't have sex. The guy who has been with 600 guys and less than 10% were less than 6 inches just shows how completely wrong these stats are. I haven 't been with that many guys but I'd agree with the 10% less than 6 inches - if that TBH.
I agree completely. I read somewhere online that apparently most length studies don't accurately survey all demographics of people so that's often why the averages given in most studies are so much smaller than in reality. If true, that's terrible. The true average should be as accurate as possible.
 
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Why are penis size studies not treated like height and other bodily measurements?

take height for example. Average height shot way up in developed countries and feed became plentiful. If you did height studies of all men worldwide, it would be very different than the actual average in developed countries verses less developed countries. (Speaking generally).

now, height has been studied to death. It’s non-invasive to track it. And it’s obvious to the eye.

but who’s to say that penis size isn’t also affected by nutrition, stress, and environment during the critical growth period. It’s much more invasive and difficult to study.

at the same time, maybe development has an inverse relationship to size over time. Just like testosterone levels are falling in more developed countries. And birthdates.

if things change in either direction, suddenly “worldwide” penis size studies don’t really tell you anything about how you stand among your own peers.

thai light be controversial, but I’m just bringing it up for the sake of argument. Some studies defiantly showed that the average length of a man of asian descent is statistically smaller than others. Maybe not by a huge amount. But that it is there. So statistics that include lots of studies from asian countries might artificially lower the resulting average. And not really tell an individual in, for example, the USA how close his size is to his peers.

of course, quibbling over and inch or so isn’t really healthy. I agree that size is way overblown here. Personally, I don’t believe what a lot of people are saying here, that their personally experience of 1000 lovers tells them the average is 7”. But I also don’t believe the other side that says that worldwide scientific studies shows the average as 5.25”. They both seem way off to me.
 
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It doesn't matter what the truth is. Time and again people flat out REFUSE to even entertain the possibility of biases. Everyone wants to confirm their own thoughts and reject anything against it.

So wallow in despair all you who think 7 is the average. Be angry at the world and accept your "small" 6 inch dick. I'm tired of trying to be reasonable and helping look on the bright side and trying to help people learn of their biases. It just gets ignored again and again. No one wants to understand one another.

If I went on a tirade and found others to agree with me that the average male height is 6'3", you'd all think I'm nuts. I'd point out actors on tv and average heights of WWE wrestlers and NBA players.(Same as pointing to pornstars and online internet personas showing off) I'd give anecdotes of "people" who say otherwise. I'd seem silly for that.

But when it comes to penis size? Ooooh there's this huge conspiracy to make the average 1 to 2 whole inches smaller than average. Even if you don't think 5.25 is average and its closer to 6, more than half the people complaining that the average is bigger isn't even small themselves. If .5 inches bigger than average isn't "big" how the fuck is .5 smaller than average "small"? More illogical bias.
 

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Regardless of what the true average size is what really messed with my head the most is the first time I saw a truly impressive dick in porn. I remember thinking how in the hell can I compete with that. What girl in her right mind is going to prefer mine over that? I have never looked at my dick the same way again. Felt inferior as hell. That feeling over the years has been compounded by the prevalence of other perfect dicks on the internet and the stories and research of how important a larger sized penis is for female satisfaction.
 
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I had a similar experience, but it was when I started college and began working out all the time. I was a skinny, bookish guy in HS. But my college roommate was a fitness nut and he got me into working out as a confidence builder. (Which totally worked).

it was the first time I was around a lot of nudity. And seeing the other guys hanging and flopping, with real weight and heaviness to their manhood…. My first thought was “damn, is that what mine’s supposed to look like?”

I gained a lot of confidence working out. And that confidence brought success with women for the first then too. But it also sort of stamped myself in my kind as a “smaller guy”
 

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Reating LPSG I've released I may not be in the tiny category after all. I'm in my 40s and always believed (from my younger days comparing with mates) that I'm very small. I'm 5.5" hard, which appears to be average. So thank you LPSG for the little confidence boost!
 

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It doesn't matter what the truth is. Time and again people flat out REFUSE to even entertain the possibility of biases. Everyone wants to confirm their own thoughts and reject anything against it.

So wallow in despair all you who think 7 is the average. Be angry at the world and accept your "small" 6 inch dick. I'm tired of trying to be reasonable and helping look on the bright side and trying to help people learn of their biases. It just gets ignored again and again. No one wants to understand one another.

If I went on a tirade and found others to agree with me that the average male height is 6'3", you'd all think I'm nuts. I'd point out actors on tv and average heights of WWE wrestlers and NBA players.(Same as pointing to pornstars and online internet personas showing off) I'd give anecdotes of "people" who say otherwise. I'd seem silly for that.

But when it comes to penis size? Ooooh there's this huge conspiracy to make the average 1 to 2 whole inches smaller than average. Even if you don't think 5.25 is average and its closer to 6, more than half the people complaining that the average is bigger isn't even small themselves. If .5 inches bigger than average isn't "big" how the fuck is .5 smaller than average "small"? More illogical bias.
For starters, I would be happy to have a "small" 6 inches. Instead I'm 4.5 when erect. Secondly, I have rarely met or heard of anyone seriously say that 6 inches is actually small, so I find this post of yours to be disingenuous and cynical. Are you sure you're not trying to bait/troll people? The tone in your post is not helpful to this important discussion of an issue that many of us go through. You don't seem to take this issue very seriously at all.
 

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For starters, I would be happy to have a "small" 6 inches. Instead I'm 4.5 when erect. Secondly, I have rarely met or heard of anyone seriously say that 6 inches is actually small, so I find this post of yours to be disingenuous and cynical. Are you sure you're not trying to bait/troll people? The tone in your post is not helpful to this important discussion of an issue that many of us go through. You don't seem to take this issue very seriously at all.
If you have seen my posts in other topics on this very thing (including earlier posts in this very thread) you would see I take this very seriously.

Admittedly when i posted that, I was going through a very stressful time and was fed up seeing the same users constantly claiming average being 6 at the least. There certainly are people who seriously believe that unfortunately. You even liked the post of the main guy who even said so himself!
 
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If you have seen my posts in other topics on this very thing (including earlier posts in this very thread) you would see I take this very seriously.

Admittedly when i posted that, I was going through a very stressful time and was fed up seeing the same users constantly claiming average being 6 at the least. There certainly are people who seriously believe that unfortunately. You even liked the post of the main guy who even said so himself!
I'm glad to see that you take the issue seriously, so I apologize to you for assuming that you didn't. I just get frustrated when people make light of the serious situation that it is and that so many of us feel throughout our lives.

Just to clarify, I myself would be happy with a 6 inch length - it would be a sizeable increase to what I have now - but that doesn't mean I think the averages floating around is the "true" average - such as something like 5.2 inches which seems to be often reported. I believe there to be every reason that studies would want to lower the average size so that it prevents so many men from panicking about our own size and pursuing purported dangerous methods of penile enlargement, since it seems there is no workable solution to a small penis - other than correcting a micropenis which still seems to carry it's own set of risks and challenges. Some surgery that I have read about seeks to only sever a specific ligament to drop the penis and make it appear bigger but doesn't actually increase it's size, which fails to correct the overall issue. Same goes for recommendations to "just lose weight" to increase it's size visually. Just because it might appear bigger doesn't mean it actually is.

From what I read online, reduction surgeries seem to be more readily available and recommended in certain instances. This makes sense because I can acknowledge there being many issues to a penis that is too big or an extremely sized one, but I wish more people realized that penis size is still a two way street. Just because there are issues with a larger size doesn't mean there aren't also issues with a small size, including psychological issues and issues with regard to pleasure, etcetera.

I really hope modern medicine can advance in this field fast, either through Stem Cell research or anything else that can be proven to be safe and permanently effective. I truly do believe that this type of advancement will improve men's mental health and wellbeing, but sometimes it feels like it's falling on deaf ears. I really don't understand how it's the current year and that this hasn't been perfected yet or at least tried on a larger scale, at the same time that cosmetic surgery for so many other body parts exists. I understand that the penis is a complex organ that is subject to things like a flaccid going to an erect state, but it still baffles me nonetheless.
 
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I believe there to be every reason that studies would want to lower the average size so that it prevents so many men from panicking about our own size and pursuing purported dangerous methods of penile enlargement, since it seems there is no workable solution to a small penis - other than correcting a micropenis which still seems to carry it's own set of risks and challenges. Some surgery that I have read about seeks to only sever a specific ligament to drop the penis and make it appear bigger but doesn't actually increase it's size, which fails to correct the overall issue. Same goes for recommendations to "just lose weight" to increase it's size visually. Just because it might appear bigger doesn't mean it actually is.

From what I read online, reduction surgeries seem to be more readily available and recommended in certain instances. This makes sense because I can acknowledge there being many issues to a penis that is too big or an extremely sized one, but I wish more people realized that penis size is still a two way street. Just because there are issues with a larger size doesn't mean there aren't also issues with a small size, including psychological issues and issues with regard to pleasure, etcetera.
Micropenis is often part of the intersex sex traits.

Also, I've asked in other settings before if guys who claim to have "Bick dick problems" if they'd go through reduction surgery. None would. Yet, so many of all sizes would want to be bigger including the ones already big. That says it all right there. There is shame put on those who are small and none placed on those who are big.
 
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Also, I've asked in other settings before if guys who claim to have "Bick dick problems" if they'd go through reduction surgery. None would. Yet, so many of all sizes would want to be bigger including the ones already big. That says it all right there. There is shame put on those who are small and none placed on those who are big.
I reckon that cock size worries are also wrapped up in the broader problem of male negative body image. Too many guys get a distorted image of the idealized man, from very athletic sports and media personalities and from ripped and hung porn stars, which doesn't represent the vast majority of blokes, but rather an extreme and unrealistic form that most of us cannot aspire to.

If you've seen a lot of ordinary men naked - whether it's because you play team sports, you shower at the gym, you sleep with other men and have had your fair share of partners, you're a naturist, or whatever - then you have the evidence of your own eyes to back up what we all know, deep down, to be true: that both very sculpted and toned bodies and large penises are atypical, and that not living up to these unobtainable ideals is nothing to be ashamed of and isn't a big deal either. It would doubtless look spectacular if you could strip like a middleweight boxer and have a thick schlong that hangs a third of the way down your thigh, but there are more important things in life.

There are, of course, a certain number of men who have a genuinely very small penis and will suffer, for example through having difficulty with penetrative sex, as a consequence, and might benefit from counselling and medical interventions. However, most guys who have a complex about being modestly endowed could do a lot worse than simply putting themselves in an environment where male nudity is commonplace, and where they'll quickly discover that their size is nothing particularly out of the ordinary, that nobody is looking at it and pointing, and in short that their knob is mundane and just one more ordinary penis amongst all the others. Body confidence gained, feeling much better, anxiety dispelled.
 
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This is very true. It’s just the difference between a tv show about college life, where everyone is a 10 in looks, verses real college, where there is a mix of all looks. If you only watched TV, you’d never know what most real college students look like.

If you were a doctor doing medical exams for entry in the military, when you saw line after line of men in their early 20s, the ways they are all similar would be more noticeable.

sure, there would be some outliers. But lost blend into the pack.

height is a good example. When you’re walking around, most people are a a head length range of each other. Then an NBA player walks in. Even in a room of 50 guys he stands out. And is noticed. But it doesn’t change the fact that all the other guys are normal. They didn’t lose that just he’s there
 
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