how many of you do porn??

[ashlar]

Originally posted by DoubleMeatWhopper+Dec 22 2004, 10:46 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DoubleMeatWhopper &#064; Dec 22 2004, 10:46 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hungthick@Dec 20 2004, 03:52 AM
I am only making one opinion here ...i am studying religion on a very deep level with my priest, theologist and others. I am a Catholic if anyone is interested.

I am also Catholic, and though I don&#39;t particular advertise the fact here, I was once a seminarian. I have studied theolgy up to and including Catholic eschatolgy and exegesis. I can quote Catholic dogma, probably better than you can. I can even tell you at which ecumenical council each article was accepted as canon law.

DMW I dont think one can be subjective about morality (either we follow the word of god or we dont). I agree that modeling for class is not porn nor posing for competion.

Strange for one who&#39;s spouting religion to spell god with a lower case &#39;g&#39;&#33; Morality is indeed a subject thing, and if your priest tells you differently, he doesn&#39;t remember his seminary classes. There is no blanket moral code for everyone, and there are very few absolutes. People are different, and the Church recognises sin as a violation of one&#39;s conscience. Not everyone has the same idea about what is right and what is wrong. Catholics used to abstain from meat on Fridays under pain of mortal sin. Did the Church condemn the Protestants because they didn&#39;t follow that practice? No. Well, they weren&#39;t condemned for that; they were condemned for not being Catholic, but that&#39;s no longer the case. Why? Because eating meat on Friday wasn&#39;t a violation of their conscience. The Church has recognised that, and now abstinence from meat is no longer required. And as far as accepting the word of God and what I have done for a living, Read about David in the Old Testament sometime. David danced in public, kicking up his legs and exposing his private parts, and Michal criticised him for it, yet David was viewed as a holy man ... well, at least he was before that unfortunate incident with Bathsheba. Nowhere is exotic dancing or posing nude for a photographer mentioned in the Bible as being immoral or otherwise.

Your problem, hungthickhead, is that you don&#39;t like me. I can live with that. You seem to dislike a great number of people here, and they can live with that. You&#39;re a friend of Horseshitshoveoff: strike three, dude.

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Thank you DMW for spelling that out more eloquently than I ever could. I used to be catholic myself, before I went to bat the multi god and goddess team. In my time I&#39;ve met some hella cool priests both catholic and non catholic, it seems to me that like anything else, these teachings can be taken to a dark place, or not. So many seem to take a given belief/ideal system to a dark place that they end up giving the others a shitty name, and I find that to be in seriously poor taste.

Ashlar&#39;s moral of the day: Share the love, not the ignorance.

 

[hungthick]

Following the word of God is not subjective no matter how many times one wants it to be. The word of God is just that and then your beliefs place you as a Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, etc.

DMW you and others always throw one or two readings out of context but to those of faith your are just spreading blasphemy. Many Saints have had lustful lives before following the word of God. There is hope for you DMW if you want it.

ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

 

[13788]

Herble:

Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 22 2004, 04:24 PM
ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

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And I suppose insulting people is supposed to be Christian as well as following the word of God?

 

[B_Hung Muscle]

Originally posted by Herble+Dec 22 2004, 04:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Herble &#064; Dec 22 2004, 04:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hungthick@Dec 22 2004, 04:24 PM
ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

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And I suppose insulting people is supposed to be Christian as well as following the word of God?

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Wow, call me crazy: I thought this thread was about who does porn. I had no idea it was about the absolute nature of moral convictions and Roman Catholicism. Tangents are cool but my OPINION is that posts should have just the teensy-weensiest relation to the thread&#39;s title. For example, Herble and Ashlar&#39;s sex life fits in nicely with padded undergarments. "Who is a better Catholic?" relates to "Who does porn?"....hmmmm, not so much.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by Hung Muscle+Dec 22 2004, 09:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hung Muscle &#064; Dec 22 2004, 09:15 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Herble@Dec 22 2004, 04:06 PM
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@Dec 22 2004, 04:24 PM
ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

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And I suppose insulting people is supposed to be Christian as well as following the word of God?

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Wow, call me crazy: I thought this thread was about who does porn. I had no idea it was about the absolute nature of moral convictions and Roman Catholicism. Tangents are cool but my OPINION is that posts should have just the teensy-weensiest relation to the thread&#39;s title. For example, Herble and Ashlar&#39;s sex life fits in nicely with padded undergarments. "Who is a better Catholic?" relates to "Who does porn?"....hmmmm, not so much.

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Now, I am the biggest sucker on here for being drawn into off-topic posting, if not the outright cause of it, but you make a very compelling argument. I will first have to cast my vote in the direction of DMW that morality is indeed subjective, there is no other possibility&#33; If one reads the Bible (and is NOT simply a parrot), one will find very conflicting information there, so some weighing and assessing is absolutely necessary. If morality is absolute, who&#39;s absolutes do we follow? "Love thy neighbor as thyself" "Judgement is Mine, sayeth the Lord" "All sin and fall short of the glory of God" "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth"......or is there something more powerful you would glean from the text? Remember, the Bible is a collection of thoughts, prose and stories- not a cohesive book of law. Trying to make it be something it isn&#39;t is pure folly, and the mark of a fake Christian. I am not qualified to comment on Catholicism in particular, but geez- let&#39;s let up on the preaching&#33; It&#39;s out of place here to be moralizing on a sex site&#33;

Hungthick, you have some obvious issues you need to address if you ever want to be happy. It is simply not acceptable to gain a fake sense of personal power by putting others down. It shows through loud and clear whether you know it or not- you are only mysterious to yourself. You are not just opinionated, you are rude. Lust is also a sin, yet you&#39;ve been quite vocal about wanting to see cock pics, perhaps it is your own homosexual interest that make you such an angry person. I hope you deal with it, and soon, so you can contribute things to this forum of more value and less judgement. I&#39;ll never undestand why certain people feel it is their duty or even their right to just stir up shit constantly without adding any new perspective to the plot.

 

[13788]

Herble:

Originally posted by madame_zora+Dec 22 2004, 08:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Dec 22 2004, 08:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Hung Muscle@Dec 22 2004, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Herble@Dec 22 2004, 04:06 PM
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@Dec 22 2004, 04:24 PM
ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

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And I suppose insulting people is supposed to be Christian as well as following the word of God?

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Wow, call me crazy: I thought this thread was about who does porn. I had no idea it was about the absolute nature of moral convictions and Roman Catholicism. Tangents are cool but my OPINION is that posts should have just the teensy-weensiest relation to the thread&#39;s title. For example, Herble and Ashlar&#39;s sex life fits in nicely with padded undergarments. "Who is a better Catholic?" relates to "Who does porn?"....hmmmm, not so much.

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Now, I am the biggest sucker on here for being drawn into off-topic posting, if not the outright cause of it, but you make a very compelling argument. I will first have to cast my vote in the direction of DMW that morality is indeed subjective, there is no other possibility&#33; If one reads the Bible (and is NOT simply a parrot), one will find very conflicting information there, so some weighing and assessing is absolutely necessary. If morality is absolute, who&#39;s absolutes do we follow? "Love thy neighbor as thyself" "Judgement is Mine, sayeth the Lord" "All sin and fall short of the glory of God" "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth"......or is there something more powerful you would glean from the text? Remember, the Bible is a collection of thoughts, prose and stories- not a cohesive book of law. Trying to make it be something it isn&#39;t is pure folly, and the mark of a fake Christian. I am not qualified to comment on Catholicism in particular, but geez- let&#39;s let up on the preaching&#33; It&#39;s out of place here to be moralizing on a sex site&#33;

Hungthick, you have some obvious issues you need to address if you ever want to be happy. It is simply not acceptable to gain a fake sense of personal power by putting others down. It shows through loud and clear whether you know it or not- you are only mysterious to yourself. You are not just opinionated, you are rude. Lust is also a sin, yet you&#39;ve been quite vocal about wanting to see cock pics, perhaps it is your own homosexual interest that make you such an angry person. I hope you deal with it, and soon, so you can contribute things to this forum of more value and less judgement. I&#39;ll never undestand why certain people feel it is their duty or even their right to just stir up shit constantly without adding any new perspective to the plot.

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Well I&#39;ll get back to the thread,.... No I don&#39;t do porn, but I like to watch it&#33;&#33; B)

 

[B_RoysToy]

Nice post, Herbie. Do you even like watching it alone or are you such a social person that you have to have company while watching?

 

[13788]

Herble: Well, If Ashlar is home we watch it together and then eventually we stop paying attention to the porn and just pay attention to eachother. Otherwise when I was single I used to watch it more often when I was alone and sometime with company but since being with Ashlar I hardly , and I mean rarely ever watch it alone

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 22 2004, 03:24 PM
Following the word of God is not subjective no matter how many times one wants it to be. The word of God is just that and then your beliefs place you as a Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, etc.

DMW you and others always throw one or two readings out of context but to those of faith your are just spreading blasphemy. Many Saints have had lustful lives before following the word of God. There is hope for you DMW if you want it.

ashlar i think you are just a parrot and really have no value to your voice but i find it amuzing nonetheless.

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Your allowed to think that, the simple fact that you do only further strengthens the notion that you are indeed, completely blind. I&#39;ve created another thred in Etc. etc. if you&#39;d care to discuss.

Namaste.

 

[B_RoysToy]

Originally posted by Herble@Dec 23 2004, 04:48 AM
Well, If Ashlar is home we watch it together and then eventually we stop paying attention to the porn and just pay attention to eachother. Otherwise when I was single I used to watch it more often when I was alone and sometime with company but since being with Ashlar I hardly , and I mean rarely ever watch it alone

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You&#39;re told exactly what I was hoping and having the &#39;gut&#39; feeling your response would be, Herbie. Sex is certainly intended to be shared with another and passes from a few minutes of sexual feel good through the threshold into a whole new world of utmost satisfaction, love and caring.

Sorry, for being mushy . . . maybe the Christmas season has something to do with my posting this a.m.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by DoubleMeatWhopper+Dec 22 2004, 10:46 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DoubleMeatWhopper &#064; Dec 22 2004, 10:46 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hungthick@Dec 20 2004, 03:52 AM
I am only making one opinion here ...i am studying religion on a very deep level with my priest, theologist and others.  I am a Catholic if anyone is interested.

I am also Catholic, and though I don&#39;t particular advertise the fact here, I was once a seminarian. I have studied theolgy up to and including Catholic eschatolgy and exegesis. I can quote Catholic dogma, probably better than you can. I can even tell you at which ecumenical council each article was accepted as canon law.

DMW I dont think one can be subjective about morality (either we follow the word of god or we dont).  I agree that modeling for class is not porn nor posing for competion. 

Strange for one who&#39;s spouting religion to spell god with a lower case &#39;g&#39;&#33; Morality is indeed a subject thing, and if your priest tells you differently, he doesn&#39;t remember his seminary classes. There is no blanket moral code for everyone, and there are very few absolutes. People are different, and the Church recognises sin as a violation of one&#39;s conscience. Not everyone has the same idea about what is right and what is wrong. Catholics used to abstain from meat on Fridays under pain of mortal sin. Did the Church condemn the Protestants because they didn&#39;t follow that practice? No. Well, they weren&#39;t condemned for that; they were condemned for not being Catholic, but that&#39;s no longer the case. Why? Because eating meat on Friday wasn&#39;t a violation of their conscience. The Church has recognised that, and now abstinence from meat is no longer required. And as far as accepting the word of God and what I have done for a living, Read about David in the Old Testament sometime. David danced in public, kicking up his legs and exposing his private parts, and Michal criticised him for it, yet David was viewed as a holy man ... well, at least he was before that unfortunate incident with Bathsheba. Nowhere is exotic dancing or posing nude for a photographer mentioned in the Bible as being immoral or otherwise.

Your problem, hungthickhead, is that you don&#39;t like me. I can live with that. You seem to dislike a great number of people here, and they can live with that. You&#39;re a friend of Horseshitshoveoff: strike three, dude.

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Let&#39;s see we are on a forum that had nude pics of men and everyone posting is a member of this forum. Interesting observation.

In the big Ten Commandments it says thou shalt not commit adultery. Only married people can do that. The marriage bond is sacred. It has several purposes. In olden days it guaranteed that a man would take care of his lady for her lifetime and it provided a "guaranteed" home to raise children. That was the purpose of marriage in olden days.

The Bible is not that clear on nudity at all. Particularly non sexual nudity. The Bible does condemn prositution as a part of worship. Some of the ancient religions used prostitution as part of the worship of the pagan Gods.

The reason prostitution was wrong in olden days was that the women had no protection to take care of them when they became old and they were slaves to their "Pimps"

It is difficult as best to take the sexual rules of two thousand years ago and properly place them in today&#39;s perspective. Here is a short list:

1. Ashlar and DWM are both right. Religion is about a relatioship to God and if a person feels that God does not want them participating in pornography or prostitution, they shouldn&#39;t do it.

2. Be careful about defining pornography. What I think is art, another person thinks of as porn.

3. The woman or man that maries a multi millionaire because he is rich and there is no love at all - is that prostitution?

4. If you enjoy looking at the pictures and do it, you just don&#39;t have a right to condemn the person that has posed in the buff.

5. The worst part about pornogrpahy and prostitution is that it is degrading to the person doing it. Well, then according to that, posing for porn and having sex for money is wrong depending on the person&#39;s feeling toward it.

6. We all have different religions and interpretations of those religions here on this site. Personally I would never pose for money or do sex for money. I just wouldn&#39;t feel comfortable doing it. And in my line of work it would be inappropriate for me. That would be true for many people. It would be a career killer to deal in either and the public find out.

7. But then, some very prominent religious people have pushed for wars where thousands of young people have died so that they could make money such as Haliburten in Iraq. I said at the beginning of the war that the purpose was to get Haliburten back in Iraq to reclaim their nationalized oil wells. It was worse than that. Haliburten was given all the contracts with no bids -illigal and immoral. To me, the stockholers of Haliburten and board members who have made big bucks off Irag have a lot more to answer to God for than someone who posed for a little money on a web site on the web.

8. All people sin. Many of our sins or shortcoming we don&#39;t even see. We should focus on getting our relatioship with God in order before we go around condemning others for what we think of as sin that is not hurting anyone as in no one is dying or being held hostage or that kind of thing.

9. My religion Christianity is not about man trying to find God, but God finding man. It God&#39;s time he makes everyone perfect who is willing to let God do that. So as I live my life and try to become more perfect there are things that I chose to give up because my relationship to God is more important. But the purpose of changes in lifestyles is to get us closer to God. There is no other reason.

10. In my religion, Christianity, there is no consensus on the subject of homosexuality. Some Christians consider it a big sin, others think of it as not perfect, but not a major big deal, others see nothing wrong with it. and others favor marriages for gay couples.

I am Protestant. United Methodist to be exact. The cornerstone of our faith is the priesthood of the believer. That means each person is a priest himself before God. No one has to go through another human or a saint already dead in heaven. Each person must work out his path in life with God as his director. I don&#39;t have a right to condemn others except for sins like murder, stealing and such as that. Sins that affect other people.

So I am tolerent toward other people. Even if I myself would not do something doesn&#39;t mean I am going to get on a witch hunt about it. I just might be wrong. Besides that is God&#39;s job to judge, not mine. I bet God can handle the wayward saints all by himself. If he is as powerful as He says He is, He really doesn&#39;t need my help.

 

[ashlar]

Freddy that was VERY well put. Thank you for contributing and for being so wonderful and intelligent.

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by RoysToy+Dec 23 2004, 10:51 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RoysToy &#064; Dec 23 2004, 10:51 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Herble@Dec 23 2004, 04:48 AM
Well, If Ashlar is home we watch it together and then eventually we stop paying attention to the porn and just pay attention to eachother. Otherwise when I was single I used to watch it more often when I was alone and sometime with company but since being with Ashlar I hardly , and I mean rarely ever watch it alone

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You&#39;re told exactly what I was hoping and having the &#39;gut&#39; feeling your response would be, Herbie. Sex is certainly intended to be shared with another and passes from a few minutes of sexual feel good through the threshold into a whole new world of utmost satisfaction, love and caring.

Sorry, for being mushy . . . maybe the Christmas season has something to do with my posting this a.m.

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*Gives RoysToy many many hugs*

 

[hungthick]

Freddie perfectly said and what i was saying but more exact. thank you. (even if you didnt realize you support my assertions)

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 23 2004, 06:38 PM
Freddie perfectly said and what i was saying but more exact. thank you. (even if you didnt realize you support my assertions)

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Freddie managed to speak his mind without passing judgement on others. If you had done that, we wouldn&#39;t have been arguing.

 

[ashlar]

Originally posted by madame_zora+Dec 23 2004, 03:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Dec 23 2004, 03:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hungthick@Dec 23 2004, 06:38 PM
Freddie perfectly said and what i was saying but more exact. thank you. (even if you didnt realize you support my assertions)

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Freddie managed to speak his mind without passing judgement on others. If you had done that, we wouldn&#39;t have been arguing.

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*watching Hungthick dig in the little box*

 

[hungthick]

you hold a bias toward me m.z. and anything i type you will interpret as judgmental.

 

[Charles88]

i do porn....home made porn of course. haha

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by hungthick@Dec 23 2004, 10:32 PM
you hold a bias toward me m.z. and anything i type you will interpret as judgmental.

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Not true at all. I interpret judgemental words as judgemental, and you provide plenty of material. Perhaps you are truly completely unaware of what an ass you really are, but your words belie your attitudes. Sorry pal, you&#39;re not a nice guy.

 

[13788]

Herble: I&#39;ll get off at teh next bus stop driver, thanks