How much trust do you have for your man?

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Yeah. But since birds of a feather flock together, the fact that you don't know otherwise suggests you need to grow up so you can cultivate friendship with other grown-ups.
For the record I don't cheat, and I know that might sound cocky but it's true. However I've been called asshole many times by women when they get emotional.
 

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For the record I don't cheat, and I know that might sound cocky but it's true. However I've been called asshole many times by women when they get emotional.
You're the one who seems to have implied all men are assholes. Of your experience is all men are assholes, you're probably one too.

My experience is lots of men are dope. I love men.
 

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You're the one who seems to have implied all men are assholes. Of your experience is all men are assholes, you're probably one too.

My experience is lots of men are dope. I love men.
Am I an asshole? The general opinion of women would be that I am sometimes, and very lovable other times, so you tell me. IMO I'm decent.
 

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Am I an asshole? The general opinion of women would be that I am sometimes, and very lovable other times, so you tell me. IMO I'm decent.
I think you're probably an asshole, if you're seriously asking me for my opinion. You're a walking pile of red flags. I don't know you, but that's what you've chosen to present here.
 
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I think you're probably an asshole, if you're seriously asking me for my opinion. You're a walking pile of red flags. I don't know you, but that's what you've chosen to present here.

I agree.

As Nanny always said "If you have to tell people that you're a Lady, gentleman....a nice guy (Not an asshole) Then you aren't".

It's apparent bu his post history in this thread alone what he is.

'Nuff said.
 

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I think you're probably an asshole, if you're seriously asking me for my opinion. You're a walking pile of red flags. I don't know you, but that's what you've chosen to present here.
Thanks for your opinion. But could you possibly explain the reason/s why you think I'm probably an asshole?
 

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Thanks for your opinion. But could you possibly explain the reason/s why you think I'm probably an asshole?
Sure. What people expect of others is nearly always a reflection of what they know should be expected of themselves. This is why, for example, I wouldn't expect a trustworthy man to be suspicious of everyone, and I especially would not expect him to be suspicious of me. You present yourself as expectant of others to be assholes. It means you're probably an asshole. You presented as if you don't know any decent men, even claiming that untrustworthiness and indecency are inherent. Then, you went out of your way to assure us that you're not a cheater, and are a gentleman despite all of your friends being less admirable. It means you're probably not a decent man. Every post (but one) you've made to this thread has been full of red flags.
 

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Sure. What people expect of others is nearly always a reflection of what they know should be expected of themselves. This is why, for example, I wouldn't expect a trustworthy man to be suspicious of everyone, and I especially would not expect him to be suspicious of me. You present yourself as expectant of others to be assholes. It means you're probably an asshole. You presented as if you don't know any decent men, even claiming that untrustworthiness and indecency are inherent. It means you're probably not a decent man. Every post (but one) you've made to this thread has been full of red flags.
Thanks for your well written response.
 
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Heterosexual monogamy sounds like total bullshit. No wonder so many men like strange pussy. My man can fuck anyone he wants, because I have no need to police an adult.

My man can screw anyone he wants too. But when he's made that decision, he's also made the decision that he will never screw me again.

I don't police my man. I respect that he will honor our agreement.
 
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My man can screw anyone he wants too. But when he's made that decision, he's also made the decision that he will never screw me again.

I don't police my man. I respect that he will honor our agreement.

Yep! When we weren't monogamous, he could fuck whoever. We're both big on safe sex, so I was fine with it. Agreeing mutually to something, in this case monogamy... I don't treat people who break their word lightly, especially for something as important as having a life together. If we mutually agreed to be poly, swing, whatever, fine. Unlikely, but that would be a mutual decision. No going behind anyone's back. No breaking your word.
 

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I don't see monogamy as a prison. I see it as freedom from the pressures expectations and risks of non-monogamy. My ideal partner feels the same. I'm not a warden, but if you don't honor your promises to me, I will find out. I'm I'm sensitive, and observant. I'm also a real flight risk. I will drop a dude for the whiff of suspicion, early on. If something's not right I'm in the wind. Later on, when I know a man well, I'm more open to conversation, and my trust is more stable. However, once my trust is abused, I'm a ninja; I'm gone and hard to reach, like I was never there. I don't choose boys who need a babysitter. I choose men who allow me to relax and bask in their love.

And yes, it is possible to cheat on a swinger. You think swinging and other forms of non-monogamy have no rules to break? Ridiculous. I, for example,insis iupon a mutual right of veto. Once I say a potential partner is out of bounds, pursuit means I'm ghost. Example. I fell in love with a side dude. The rules got re-negotiated to reflect the new seriousness of our commitment. I was introduced, as his girlfriend, to a potential casual partner. I observed that she had unbelievably poor discernment regarding her choices in other men. So, I vetoed her. "That broad is gonna give herpes and HPV to the whole cipher. I'm not fucking anyone who fucks anyone who fucks her, and neither should you. I don't want her in the mix." He pushed hard to get me to re-consider her. She was sweet, and pretty, but stupid. I held firm. The answer was no. Choose. Her, or me. He couldn't have both. To my knowledge, he honored our agreement. A few months later she fled town on credible suspicion of inappropriate behavior with minors, pregnant by one of them. Every last one of them afflicted by the same two STDs. (Chlamydia or maybe crabs, and gonorrhea, if I recall.) After that, my word was final, never again met by push-back or resistance. The rules were, we swing together, but I might be willing to accept him being alone with a woman we had gotten to know, only we are fluid bonded, with everyone else it is condoms every time, no scandal, no disease, no crimes, no pregnancies, no lies, and either of us could eject another partner from the circle at any time, with or without a tangible reason beyond "something is not right". I know he wasn't fully comfortable with me being able to say he could not lay with someone he wanted, but he loved me, and he wanted to keep my love and commitment, and agreed to swallow that jagged pill.

Every kind of relationship has rules. Even a one-off is supposed to agree not to track you down and contact you again. Wherever there are people and rules, there's a chance someone will breach expectations. That's life. But I'm not opening up my life and body to a man I don't trust. I trust my guys. I trust them, until I don't.
 

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I don't see monogamy as a prison. I see it as freedom from the pressures expectations and risks of non-monogamy. My ideal partner feels the same. I'm not a warden, but if you don't honor your promises to me, I will find out. I'm I'm sensitive, and observant. I'm also a real flight risk. I will drop a dude for the whiff of suspicion, early on. If something's not right I'm in the wind. Later on, when I know a man well, I'm more open to conversation, and my trust is more stable. However, once my trust is abused, I'm a ninja; I'm gone and hard to reach, like I was never there. I don't choose boys who need a babysitter. I choose men who allow me to relax and bask in their love.

And yes, it is possible to cheat on a swinger. You think swinging and other forms of non-monogamy have no rules to break? Ridiculous. I, for example,insis iupon a mutual right of veto. Once I say a potential partner is out of bounds, pursuit means I'm ghost. Example. I fell in love with a side dude. The rules got re-negotiated to reflect the new seriousness of our commitment. I was introduced, as his girlfriend, to a potential casual partner. I observed that she had unbelievably poor discernment regarding her choices in other men. So, I vetoed her. "That broad is gonna give herpes and HPV to the whole cipher. I'm not fucking anyone who fucks anyone who fucks her, and neither should you. I don't want her in the mix." He pushed hard to get me to re-consider her. She was sweet, and pretty, but stupid. I held firm. The answer was no. Choose. Her, or me. He couldn't have both. To my knowledge, he honored our agreement. A few months later she fled town on credible suspicion of inappropriate behavior with minors, pregnant by one of them. Every last one of them afflicted by the same two STDs. (Chlamydia or maybe crabs, and gonorrhea, if I recall.) After that, my word was final, never again met by push-back or resistance. The rules were, we swing together, but I might be willing to accept him being alone with a woman we had gotten to know, only we are fluid bonded, with everyone else it is condoms every time, no scandal, no disease, no crimes, no pregnancies, no lies, and either of us could eject another partner from the circle at any time, with or without a tangible reason beyond "something is not right". I know he wasn't fully comfortable with me being able to say he could not lay with someone he wanted, but he loved me, and he wanted to keep my love and commitment, and agreed to swallow that jagged pill.

Every kind of relationship has rules. Even a one-off is supposed to agree not to track you down and contact you again. Wherever there are people and rules, there's a chance someone will breach expectations. That's life. But I'm not opening up my life and body to a man I don't trust. I trust my guys. I trust them, until I don't.
Honor, trust and decency should be paramount. But unfortunately the world with live in is abundant with people that don't obey these unwritten rules.
 

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Honor, trust and decency should be paramount. But unfortunately the world with live in is abundant with people that don't obey these unwritten rules.

I don't think that's a reason to dismiss all men as lying cheaters.

So I don't.

I don't have a lot of hope for the future of our species in general, but I also don't like to assume that everyone is shit until they prove it to me. There are honest people in the world. It's just that the lying shits are usually more vocal and get more attention while the rest of us are just trying to get shit done.