How the Healthcare Industry Lobby Attacks (when its profits are threatened)

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    Obama and the dems have been making headway working on various proposals overhauling the nation's healthcare system.


    In a sort of weird "common cause" farce, the health insurance industry, a capitalistic multi-billion dollar for-profit industry, has been pretending for months that it wants to join forces with the Obama administration to "help shape" and overhaul the system.


    This is like selecting a jury full of wolves to figure out a court punishment for the wolf that attacked Little Red Riding Hood and grandma.


    One of the staples that attracted health insurance lobbyists was the provision in the legislation that required ALL AMERICANS TO GET COVERAGE. The insurance companies loved this. They smelled millions of new clients, new business opportunities, millions of new consumers buying policies (also, with no strong "public option" to defer away potential clients, they figured they had the entire field to themselves to make a new killing). However, the Baucus legislation coming out of the Senate eased up on this and other provisions and no longer made it manditory for all americans to get coverage.

    Furiously, the healthcare industry has COMMISSIONED ITS OWN REPORT: they hired a mega-corporate-firm, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, to "analyze" costs for privately insured individuals under the Baucus bill -- which is coming to a vote in the Senate on Tuesday.



    This new study "projects that the legislation would add $1,700 a year to the cost of family coverage in 2013, when most of the major provisions in the bill would be in effect."


    Yes, the insurance lobbyists are now directly attacking legislation because in the past few weeks the debate has shifted away from their corporate interests - and towards the interests of the citizen.

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    From an Associated Press article this morning:

    "Premiums for a single person would go up by $600 more than would be the case without the legislation, the PriceWaterhouseCoopers analysis concluded. The study was commissioned by the insurance group."

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    "The study projected that in 2019, family premiums could be $4,000 higher and individual premiums could be $1,500 higher."

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    "Family premiums could be "$4,000 higher"?? ... excuse me, but WHO RAISES THE FUCKING PREMIUMS now and in 2019? The Healthcare Insurance Industry! It is a self-fulfilling prophesy: Pass this legislation and WE PREDICT PREMIUMS WILL RISE.


    In other words, this is almost a form of blackmail. --- If you senators and congresspersons don't give us what we want, PREMIUMS ON THE AVERAGE CONSUMER WILL RISE! Because WE, the insurance industry, can raise them if we have to! And we have an "INDEPENDENT" (heh heh) report from PriceWaterhouseCoopers that concludes JUST THAT.




    White House healthcare spokeswoman Linda Douglass said: "This is an insurance industry analysis that is designed to reach a conclusion which benefits the industry, and does not represent what the bill does."


    "It's a health insurance company hatchet job, plain and simple," said Scott Mulhauser, spokesman for Max Baucus.
     
  2. B_VinylBoy

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    It's amazing how some people don't even realize who or what the real issue is. They have it so set in their minds that the government is the problem, all the while not even realizing that it IS the Private Health Companies who controls their own market. They're the ones that set the prices. They don't HAVE to raise them as much as they do, but they do it anyway and decorate their excuses with financial double talk & scare tactics to fool the seemingly closed-minded masses.

    We seriously need to pass good Health Care Legislation that provide affordable options and forces competition. That way, some of these insurance companies can raise their premiums through the roof and shoot themselves in the foot at the same time.
     
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    The industry needs to slowly be eliminated. Offer Medicare to people 55 then 45 then 35 until everyone is covered and insurance companies have gone the way of telephone booth makers. What value do they bring to the table? They exist solely to make a profit. Their duties are to their shareholders not their policyholders. They are the proverbial 'middle man' that no one needs.
     
  4. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    Yes, VB, you got it exactly right: "We seriously need to pass good Health Care Legislation that provide affordable options and forces competition."


    Forces competition. Exactly right.

    And YET... we dems (the Obama administration) are in bed with the healthcare industry lobbyists, the precise people who don't want to "force competition" because this will cut into their bottom line. We should never have "negotiated" with them. Now, it's all a Catch-22.


    You watch. Vulture-people like Trinity and Fox News will scavenge this PriceWaterhouseCoopers data to try and make the case that healthcare reform is wrong for America.
     
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    It happens after every election here in Alberta. Now the Minister of Health is musing about abandoning senior care to private, for profit companies. Fortunately he'll be out of office soon since he's turned out to be incompetent.
     
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    It's nice to see this "study" getting lead-story coverage on the MSNBC & CNN shows (though not Fox).


    This is from Wendell Potter's blog. Potter is a healthcare insurance company whistleblower, a former public relations executive for the health insurer CIGNA who has testified before Congress:


    Insurance Industry Puts Out Deceptive Report


    Source: Washington Post, October 12, 2009

    After months of appearing to be cooperative while quietly working behind the scenes to influence health care reform, the health insurance industry has finally launched a wholesale attack against the Senate Finance Committee's health insurance reform legislation on the day before Committee members are set to vote on the plan. Following in the tradition of the tobacco and energy industries, the health insurance industry commissioned a report that projects economic doom for those seeking to reform it. The report was commissioned from PricewaterhouseCoopers (PWC), a consultancy that coincidentally was also used by the tobacco industry to predict economic devastation from tobacco taxes. PWC's report mistakenly assumes there will be no behavioral changes at all in response to the new policies being proposed, and bases conclusions on this assumption. This is akin to analyzing the economic effect a cigarette tax increase would have, without taking into account any drop in sales the new tax would create.


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    The Senate vote on healthcare is tomorrow. It's a crucial vote. And the healthcare insurance industry releases ITS OWN COMMISIONED "STUDY" the day before the vote.

    Ed Shultz and Wendell Potter called this biased, slanted study "radioactive". They warned to pay particular attention to lawmakers who use it as a reference -- you'll discover who's in the pockets of the industry lobbyists.
     
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    I'm waiting for people to wake up and realize that the insurance companies are not out to protect them. They're like any other for profit company, in that they're doing what it takes to preserve their bottom line. The best interests of the people and their ompany are not the same thing.
     
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    It's pretty simple:
    Doctors make money by providing healthcare.
    Insurance companies make money by denying healthcare.
     
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    (1) Government is the problem. Simply compare the regulations that health-care insurers have to operate under compared to P&C insurers; How accessible is auto insurance compared to health-care coverage?

    (2) If Obama was serious about reforming health-care coverage, he would not have chosen the tack of throwing the issue and responsibility to Congress; he would have undertaken it himself, as Clinton attempted to. As a result of our sitting demagogue having tossed the responsibility to the Congress, we will have the health-care industry reworking the legislation to suit itself, to maximize profits at the expense of the public good, as we saw the mining industry, the telecommunications industry, et al, do.
     
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    Health insurance should never be compared to auto insurance. You don't hear about people filing for bankruptcy because their auto insurance was too expensive or didn't offer enough coverage. Roughly 2/3 of bankruptcy filings are due to medical bills.
    Health insurance companies have never been known to maximize profits at the expense of the public good. They're not abusive at all.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    That is such a trite meaningless statement but one that quitter Sarah Palin would be glad to sing along with you. There once was a time when the benighted would believe that but no more.

    The glory days of government doing it's job is back!! The people who actually believe that government has a role and a place are back in power.
    With much of Washington focused on efforts to revamp the health-care system and address climate change, a handful of Obama appointees have been quietly exercising their power over the trappings of daily life. They are awakening a vast regulatory apparatus with authority over nearly every U.S. workplace, 15,000 consumer products, and most items found in kitchen pantries and medicine cabinets.

    A Vigorous Push From Federal Regulators

    When you put people in positions of power who simply do not believe in the organization they are running the results are what you would expect. Spectacular failure after spectacular failure (see Bush Administration).
     
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    where do the regulations that health-care insurers must operate under (creating the accessibility and affordability problems we now have) come from?
     
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    yes

    more federal regulation of every aspect of our lives, regulating everything we do -- a corporate State in the making?


     
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    Regulations are not something that are just dreamt up. They are there to prevent the heinous business practices of the past that had disastrous consequences. Much like the NTSB issues regulations after a plane crash. They are there so some asshole doesn't make the same mistake again.
     
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    or to expand governmental power and control

    or as in the Obama health-care instance, federal governmental and large corporate power and control

    corporate State fascism, anyone?
     
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    Give me government control over tainted toys and anti-freeze in my toothpaste and planes falling out of the sky.
     
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    It's like reading a statement from Glenn Beck. :rolleyes:
    Health Care Reform is not going to equate to Fascism in America. Only an idiot would even try to draw parallels between the two.
     
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    I only know a handful of Canadians... but will say that over half have private insurance, and another 1/4 or so just pay out of pocket.

    Please don't try and equate Canadian nationalized healthcare, a country with fewer ppl (including illegals) than the State of California.

    The "industrialized nation" fuckcrapbullshit needs to stop as well. Bringing up Sweden, whom has fewer ppl than LA, and an immigration policy that's tougher than San Quentin, is folly.

    This is a bad idea, and Obama will fail. There I said it, despite you not wanting to hear it. Bush tried to revamp Social Security. Noone is in the mood for anything drastic. Baby steps you big eared dumbass.
     
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