wvalady1968: [quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] Never once did I suggest women are inferior to men. They are however very different - more so than many women seem to want to admit.[/quote]
I want to tell you up front, that you and I may not be terribly far apart on this issue. I'll explain later.
We readily admit that women and men are different, and as I've said before, "Vive la difference!"
But what is your point? You hint that women need men to guide them or be the leader or boss or whatever spin you feel necessary to place on it. If men ARE capable of doing this, and women ARE NOT, then you ARE saying that we are inferior.
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] Also, women tend not to make the very top of any profession - but you women will blame this on society. [/quote]
Men have made the laws and set down the roles for women for thousands of years. In America, only very recently in the timeline of the country were women given the rights we have that have enabled us to make our own decisions and govern our own lives. If we're a little late making it to the party, it wasn't because WE weren't trying to get here.
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] Recently a mouse was born through genetic manipulation with two mothers - no male parent. The technology is available to humans. Seems its all over for men. Women seem to have made us redundant. Women can do everything us men can - or so you claim.[/quote]
If the role for either gender, esp. in our complex society, were ONLY for reproduction, then this argument still wouldn't hold water, at least not until the technology catches up. Men will never be redundant! My goodness, I wouldn't want to live without men!!
Sure, some women can be stevedores and some men are gentle, timid souls. But neither gender can do everything the other gender can do. We all run the gamut from A to Z and all varieties in between! But it doesn't mean that every woman who wants to make her own decisions hates men. Quite the opposite!! We love and adore men!!!!
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] What is our future I wonder? All we do is make war - or so you women claim.
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Awww, poor Bard!! You want a pity party?? :-*
I've made my decisions and led my life. I've made mistakes and learned valuable lessons. I just believe that we all have the right to make those decisions and those mistakes. [Because letting someone else make our decisions doesn't guarantee that THEY won't make mistakes.]
Having said that, I am a product of my upbringing. I like being in a relationship much like you've described, Bard. I've handed over the tough life decisions to David, and I run the house. He takes care of me and I take care of him. [He jokes that he gets to make the tough decisions, and I get to tell him which decisions are tough.]
The crucial point is that I have no right to force my lifestyle decisions on ANYONE else. We don't all fit into the same mold. I like the fact that America's founding fathers guaranteed us the right to the "pursuit of happiness". They never claimed we had the right to catch it.
We could debate this forever and point out the pros and cons of both sides, but I believe that both partners in a relationship should have the right to chose to be [or not to be] where they are.
I want to tell you up front, that you and I may not be terribly far apart on this issue. I'll explain later.
We readily admit that women and men are different, and as I've said before, "Vive la difference!"
But what is your point? You hint that women need men to guide them or be the leader or boss or whatever spin you feel necessary to place on it. If men ARE capable of doing this, and women ARE NOT, then you ARE saying that we are inferior.
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] Also, women tend not to make the very top of any profession - but you women will blame this on society. [/quote]
Men have made the laws and set down the roles for women for thousands of years. In America, only very recently in the timeline of the country were women given the rights we have that have enabled us to make our own decisions and govern our own lives. If we're a little late making it to the party, it wasn't because WE weren't trying to get here.
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] Recently a mouse was born through genetic manipulation with two mothers - no male parent. The technology is available to humans. Seems its all over for men. Women seem to have made us redundant. Women can do everything us men can - or so you claim.[/quote]
If the role for either gender, esp. in our complex society, were ONLY for reproduction, then this argument still wouldn't hold water, at least not until the technology catches up. Men will never be redundant! My goodness, I wouldn't want to live without men!!
Sure, some women can be stevedores and some men are gentle, timid souls. But neither gender can do everything the other gender can do. We all run the gamut from A to Z and all varieties in between! But it doesn't mean that every woman who wants to make her own decisions hates men. Quite the opposite!! We love and adore men!!!!
[quote author=Bard link=board=women;num=1081249042;start=0#19 date=04/26/04 at 16:24:37] What is our future I wonder? All we do is make war - or so you women claim.
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Awww, poor Bard!! You want a pity party?? :-*
I've made my decisions and led my life. I've made mistakes and learned valuable lessons. I just believe that we all have the right to make those decisions and those mistakes. [Because letting someone else make our decisions doesn't guarantee that THEY won't make mistakes.]
Having said that, I am a product of my upbringing. I like being in a relationship much like you've described, Bard. I've handed over the tough life decisions to David, and I run the house. He takes care of me and I take care of him. [He jokes that he gets to make the tough decisions, and I get to tell him which decisions are tough.]
The crucial point is that I have no right to force my lifestyle decisions on ANYONE else. We don't all fit into the same mold. I like the fact that America's founding fathers guaranteed us the right to the "pursuit of happiness". They never claimed we had the right to catch it.
We could debate this forever and point out the pros and cons of both sides, but I believe that both partners in a relationship should have the right to chose to be [or not to be] where they are.
