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I've never really considered it but I'd be open to the idea, though I'm not exactly sure how I would go about finding that lol. Honestly though, I'm primarily interested in being with someone younger than me as I'd like to start a large family later in my life.

Try a site like Match, POF, etc but instead of looking for people 18-25 like you probably are, just try looking in the 30-35 age group.

You don't have to get married and start a family with her, I just suggested you try it to meet some more mature people, "get some experience" and loosen up about this whole thing before you develop a complex :p
 

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AFAIK "dating sites" fall into at least two categories: relationship sites (Match etc.) and hookup brokers (Tinder etc.) Some may be somewhere in between. Know which you're dealing with.

Someone just looking for a hookup likely won't want to be bothered with an inexperienced partner (unless that's their kink). From your comments it sounds like you're more interested in a relationship.

Yes, I am looking more for a relationship and not some random hookup. I've tried sites like plenty of fish but they never really worked for me.
 

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Try a site like Match, POF, etc but instead of looking for people 18-25 like you probably are, just try looking in the 30-35 age group.

You don't have to get married and start a family with her, I just suggested you try it to meet some more mature people, "get some experience" and loosen up about this whole thing before you develop a complex :p

I've tried POF before and I've had a lot of negative experiences on there, so I'd rather not potentially have to relive that nonsense if I don't have to. However, your advice about looking at an older age group is pretty sound, though I have tried this as well and it seemed to fare the same for me. The thing is, I'm really more interested in developing a relationship and I wouldn't see that working with someone that much older than me, since we would be at different stages in life. If it was just for getting some casual experience I'd be ok with that but I'd rather not waste someone's time who is looking for something more steady.
 

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To anyone that is considering posting on this thread, it is a lost cause at this point. Typical millennial female nonsense, I really don't want to go MGTOW but it is really starting to look like the most rational decision at this point. Can be 6'4", very fit, handsome and a great guy overall....but it isn't enough lol.
dude its all ready too late for this one. should have all ready breaken the touch barrier with her.
as such can indicate sexual interest. not saying grab her ass. "accidentally touching her arm." for example.

its a way of feeling someone up and the other person can gauge whether or not they are interested
my friend's mom did this to me that is whay made me mor interested. but too bad i screwed it up. o well

also stop be desperate. other wise you get desperate stink
 

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Do you two laugh together or is it all "business/school" when you are together in lab? Laughing together is an amazing ice breaker, even though you two already know each other.

If she's looking at your bulge, that's beyond the point: she is LOOKING AT YOU, period. A lot of guys don't even get a courtesy glance, so consider yourself lucky. If you're worried about social contact, and a girl is staring at you in several different ways, talking to her honestly about anything at all, regardless of how "shy" you may come off, is going to be attention that she was hoping for.

You obviously have a lot going on. Strange all these previous encounters with girls all wind up exactly the same way. What is an example of anything you have said to them, like this incident when you were in your early 20s? Did you brag about your financial well-being, or your hot toned body, or anything like that? If you come off as overly cool and comfortable it will sound forced and rehearsed. Just be yourself. Maybe even a bit goofy.

You are in a college class together. There is nothing wrong with being a bit awkward and talking about who the fuck cares, she isn't likely hoping you land those mythical "20 right words" that signals to her "yes, the casanova I've always dreamed of" or "oh my god, what a line, I'm totally into him now" or something like that. Girls just want connection and conversation, and sexy times can follow because the comfort level can increase exponentially once a lot of talking is going on.

Lastly I didn't have sex until I was 22, and I felt just horrible for it. I mean I would just feel like the biggest loser ever about it. All through high school girls were all over me flirting and wanting me to take them out on dates, hotties too, but I never felt like I was good looking enough or cool enough or mature enough. WTF I was their same age, how can I be MORE MATURE than someone my exact same age??? So no sex in high school. College OMG girls talked to me left and right, lots of attention, lots of looks, etc. but I was completely down on myself and never went for any of it because I didn't believe I had "the right stuff." They weren't even like the hottest girls around either but they were cool. I never made a move on any of them, even talked about hanging out sometime out of class or whatever school related, but never did it. Finally after an overseas trip and the biggest chance to hook up in my life with the hottest girl I've ever imagined completely bombed because my inner self said "you can't do it man, don't think you're gonna grow up now!!" and I lost that one.
After that I was resolved: the next girl that takes interest in me, no matter what she's like or looks like, I'm going to be forward and try to go on a date. That girl was also looking for the same thing, she had been not thinking she could make it happen either and had a few sucky dates or week or two of a "relationship" but those dudes just wanted to fuck and not talk or hang out etc. We met at my work, and started to talk because we had to work together, but we started to have fun and joke and enjoy our company. Went to lunch on break several times, more talk, and finally her time was done and I said on her last day (it was a semester's time, so about 3 months...the same length of time you are in class for you) "I'd like to hang out with you after you're outta here, wanna see a movie sometime soon?" She said yes and the rest is history: we've been married for 13 years. Both virgins, some heavy petting and playing/kissing in our pasts with less than 3 people each, but as soon as we started fucking it was just meant to be. We never knew where any of it was going and we didn't give a fuck, all we knew was that we had lots of fun together, had even more fun learning about each other, and had the time of our lives learning how to have sex together. And we did it all. the. time and still do :)

Please just go for it. Don't be so hung up in your mind. You have a beautiful cock and great body and there can't be anything physical you are worried about. Look for a friend, they will be your greatest lover of all time.
 

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Do you two laugh together or is it all "business/school" when you are together in lab? Laughing together is an amazing ice breaker, even though you two already know each other.

If she's looking at your bulge, that's beyond the point: she is LOOKING AT YOU, period. A lot of guys don't even get a courtesy glance, so consider yourself lucky. If you're worried about social contact, and a girl is staring at you in several different ways, talking to her honestly about anything at all, regardless of how "shy" you may come off, is going to be attention that she was hoping for.

You obviously have a lot going on. Strange all these previous encounters with girls all wind up exactly the same way. What is an example of anything you have said to them, like this incident when you were in your early 20s? Did you brag about your financial well-being, or your hot toned body, or anything like that? If you come off as overly cool and comfortable it will sound forced and rehearsed. Just be yourself. Maybe even a bit goofy.

You are in a college class together. There is nothing wrong with being a bit awkward and talking about who the fuck cares, she isn't likely hoping you land those mythical "20 right words" that signals to her "yes, the casanova I've always dreamed of" or "oh my god, what a line, I'm totally into him now" or something like that. Girls just want connection and conversation, and sexy times can follow because the comfort level can increase exponentially once a lot of talking is going on.

Lastly I didn't have sex until I was 22, and I felt just horrible for it. I mean I would just feel like the biggest loser ever about it. All through high school girls were all over me flirting and wanting me to take them out on dates, hotties too, but I never felt like I was good looking enough or cool enough or mature enough. WTF I was their same age, how can I be MORE MATURE than someone my exact same age??? So no sex in high school. College OMG girls talked to me left and right, lots of attention, lots of looks, etc. but I was completely down on myself and never went for any of it because I didn't believe I had "the right stuff." They weren't even like the hottest girls around either but they were cool. I never made a move on any of them, even talked about hanging out sometime out of class or whatever school related, but never did it. Finally after an overseas trip and the biggest chance to hook up in my life with the hottest girl I've ever imagined completely bombed because my inner self said "you can't do it man, don't think you're gonna grow up now!!" and I lost that one.
After that I was resolved: the next girl that takes interest in me, no matter what she's like or looks like, I'm going to be forward and try to go on a date. That girl was also looking for the same thing, she had been not thinking she could make it happen either and had a few sucky dates or week or two of a "relationship" but those dudes just wanted to fuck and not talk or hang out etc. We met at my work, and started to talk because we had to work together, but we started to have fun and joke and enjoy our company. Went to lunch on break several times, more talk, and finally her time was done and I said on her last day (it was a semester's time, so about 3 months...the same length of time you are in class for you) "I'd like to hang out with you after you're outta here, wanna see a movie sometime soon?" She said yes and the rest is history: we've been married for 13 years. Both virgins, some heavy petting and playing/kissing in our pasts with less than 3 people each, but as soon as we started fucking it was just meant to be. We never knew where any of it was going and we didn't give a fuck, all we knew was that we had lots of fun together, had even more fun learning about each other, and had the time of our lives learning how to have sex together. And we did it all. the. time and still do :)

Please just go for it. Don't be so hung up in your mind. You have a beautiful cock and great body and there can't be anything physical you are worried about. Look for a friend, they will be your greatest lover of all time.

At the time I was not in the same boat financially as I have been lately, though I wasn't exactly poor either. I never brag about anything but I do mention what I do, my interests etc.....which is perfectly normal. I cant quite explain why they were like that, but I assume it had more to do with the area and the type of people that live there. However, I will say that I feel a lot of younger people have very poor social skills and a sense of entitlement, so I think there is some truth to what I have said. I'm going to a smaller school now, but at one of the really big state universities out here I noticed that a lot of the girls there were very bitchy and spoiled. The younger generation is fucked and we are going to have an astronomically low birth rate.
 

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OMGosh ... I been reading your post for a long time now and am so frustrated that you haven't gotten laid yet . Being introverted and a loner with all of your insecurities and I mean this with absolutely zero disrespect but hire a professional to at least get over that very first hurdle or shall I use a pun and say hump . You are still young , good-looking and have a good mind . Get over your past humiliations and grow a pair and just DO it . If you don't you will still be writing about this until your over 50 . You are human and you will make a few mistakes along the way . I've been rooting for you for a long while now and am I think more frustrated about your situation than you are lol ...
 

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OMGosh ... I been reading your post for a long time now and am so frustrated that you haven't gotten laid yet . Being introverted and a loner with all of your insecurities and I mean this with absolutely zero disrespect but hire a professional to at least get over that very first hurdle or shall I use a pun and say hump . You are still young , good-looking and have a good mind . Get over your past humiliations and grow a pair and just DO it . If you don't you will still be writing about this until your over 50 . You are human and you will make a few mistakes along the way . I've been rooting for you for a long while now and am I think more frustrated about your situation than you are lol ...

I've spent some time working with a therapist in the spring of 2015 and it really did not make much of a difference, I'll explain why. When people see a therapist they are generally going there to get some sort of insight into the issues in their life and how to work through them, change their perspective etc. However, I've always been very aware of what my issues are, what they originate from and how I should go about resolving them........I just seem to have a difficult time turning these theories into a reality, since life is not a science lab where every variable can be controlled for. What has been happening lately is honestly a huge milestone believe it or not, as talking to a female I am interested in is essentially a new thing for me. So, I should be happy that I am clearly making some progress with this and that I am in a situation where I can continue to do so.
 
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Kudos for looking your issues in the eye with a therapist.

But I think what @rayray means by "hire a professional" is "pay someone for sex," like an escort.

As I said, I felt it didn't really do much for me, as I was already aware of my issues and what I needed to do in order to face them.

I misread his post, though after I responded I had one of those "ohhhh" moments. I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable doing that but it is an option, I'm also not sure if it would help me with my dilemma or not, hard to say.
 

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I feel a lot of younger people have very poor social skills and a sense of entitlement
I noticed that a lot of the girls there were very bitchy and spoiled.
The younger generation is fucked and we are going to have an astronomically low birth rate.

This is why I said try dating an older woman! :D

It's just dating/sex, you don't have to commit to settling down and starting a family with her.
People in their mid-late 30s can be pretty clear about what they want from a relationship so I don't think you'll be wasting anyone's time.

From what you describe it sounds like you could use a sex surrogate just to get you over your anxiety (I had no idea these existed till recently :eek:). But rather than spending thousands of dollars on one you could just take my advice and get a better experience for free ;)

I've never really considered it but I'd be open to the idea, though I'm not exactly sure how I would go about finding that lol.

It's not rocket science :) If you are using POF/match/etc then just change your search settings from <25 year olds to the 35ish age group.

A lot of my friends are in their mid 30s and I listen to their dating stories all the time.
They don't play games, they're reasonable and clear about what they are looking for, and as long as you treat them nice and don't do any terrifying LPSG type stuff to them it wouldn't really matter if you are awkward and totally inexperienced.

Right now you are probably thinking that your "problem" is a huge handicap, but honestly among all the things that can go wrong with a date awkwardness and inexperience are pretty insignificant issues that normal, decent people will have no problem working around. When talking about dates from hell, I don't think I've ever heard anyone tell an "omg, you should have seen this guy, he was so inexperienced and awkward hahaa" story. They're almost always about rude/arrogant/entitled guys that behaved like pigs :rolleyes:
 

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This is why I said try dating an older woman! :D

It's just dating/sex, you don't have to commit to settling down and starting a family with her.
People in their mid-late 30s can be pretty clear about what they want from a relationship so I don't think you'll be wasting anyone's time.

From what you describe it sounds like you could use a sex surrogate just to get you over your anxiety (I had no idea these existed till recently :eek:). But rather than spending thousands of dollars on one you could just take my advice and get a better experience for free ;)



It's not rocket science :) If you are using POF/match/etc then just change your search settings from <25 year olds to the 35ish age group.

A lot of my friends are in their mid 30s and I listen to their dating stories all the time.
They don't play games, they're reasonable and clear about what they are looking for, and as long as you treat them nice and don't do any terrifying LPSG type stuff to them it wouldn't really matter if you are awkward and totally inexperienced.

Right now you are probably thinking that your "problem" is a huge handicap, but honestly among all the things that can go wrong with a date awkwardness and inexperience are pretty insignificant issues that normal, decent people will have no problem working around. When talking about dates from hell, I don't think I've ever heard anyone tell an "omg, you should have seen this guy, he was so inexperienced and awkward hahaa" story. They're almost always about rude/arrogant/entitled guys that behaved like pigs :rolleyes:

Almost all of the older women on POF were looking for something more serious, many of them also had children and it appeared that they were looking for someone to help support them......no thanks, Jeff. Even reading their descriptions is a major turn off and something I don't want to get involved with at this stage in my life, I don't think getting some "practice" is worth the potential drama that could come with it. However, I need to take a more active part in this and I'm finally in a situation where I can realistic expect to be able to do so, for the past few years now I've barely had any opportunities to meet anyone so it is perfectly logical to understand why I was not able to work on this issue. My biggest concern is that I completely miss out the next couple years and then back to square one, I truly believe I deserve better than that.
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This is why I said try dating an older woman! :D

It's just dating/sex, you don't have to commit to settling down and starting a family with her.
People in their mid-late 30s can be pretty clear about what they want from a relationship so I don't think you'll be wasting anyone's time.

From what you describe it sounds like you could use a sex surrogate just to get you over your anxiety (I had no idea these existed till recently :eek:). But rather than spending thousands of dollars on one you could just take my advice and get a better experience for free ;)



It's not rocket science :) If you are using POF/match/etc then just change your search settings from <25 year olds to the 35ish age group.

A lot of my friends are in their mid 30s and I listen to their dating stories all the time.
They don't play games, they're reasonable and clear about what they are looking for, and as long as you treat them nice and don't do any terrifying LPSG type stuff to them it wouldn't really matter if you are awkward and totally inexperienced.

Right now you are probably thinking that your "problem" is a huge handicap, but honestly among all the things that can go wrong with a date awkwardness and inexperience are pretty insignificant issues that normal, decent people will have no problem working around. When talking about dates from hell, I don't think I've ever heard anyone tell an "omg, you should have seen this guy, he was so inexperienced and awkward hahaa" story. They're almost always about rude/arrogant/entitled guys that behaved like pigs :rolleyes:

Not sure if I mentioned this, but the nightlife scene will not work for me either. I literally couldn't figure out what some of those women saw in the losers there lol, just seemed like a total waste of time for me so I gave up on it.
 

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Sangheili90 . I have noticed by reading the last few posts that with every suggestion that are made to you you tend to have a reason that particular group won't work for you. Try thinking about your needs and stop analysing everything and what others may or not be thinking of you and your thoughts and just take a leap of faith and go for it . With my last post by professional I did mean an escort. Not everyone will agree with that even you said that might be an option. I did leave you a pm .
 

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Sangheili90 . I have noticed by reading the last few posts that with every suggestion that are made to you you tend to have a reason that particular group won't work for you. Try thinking about your needs and stop analysing everything and what others may or not be thinking of you and your thoughts and just take a leap of faith and go for it . With my last post by professional I did mean an escort. Not everyone will agree with that even you said that might be an option. I did leave you a pm .

I'm just giving honest responses to ideas that have been suggested on here, as many of them I have actually tried for myself.
 
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Deja vu again :).

Why aren't you beating them off with a stick? You really must be doing something wrong. You are going seriously wrong somewhere. Would it help if we organized an LPSG intervention, and trapped you in a room, interrogated you to get to the bottom of this problem, and told you what to do or what not to do?

Stop letting your mum cut your hair. Ain't got teeth? - get some. Don't pick your nose during conversation. :D Seriously, you must be doing something to sabotage yourself.

I had noticed that your posts were sounding slightly more upbeat recently, - and then this. Don't let this setback put you back to square one. Just don't stress about it all because when you do finally have sex it is probably going to be disappointing and slightly embarrassing and not the big epic thing you are building it up to be. First times are generally like that unfortunately.

Try to regain the positive upbeat state of mind you were in prior to this, and keep trying.
 

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Deja vu again :).

Why aren't you beating them off with a stick? You really must be doing something wrong. You are going seriously wrong somewhere. Would it help if we organized an LPSG intervention, and trapped you in a room, interrogated you to get to the bottom of this problem, and told you what to do or what not to do?

Stop letting your mum cut your hair. Ain't got teeth? - get some. Don't pick your nose during conversation. :D Seriously, you must be doing something to sabotage yourself.

I had noticed that your posts were sounding slightly more upbeat recently, - and then this. Don't let this setback put you back to square one. Just don't stress about it all because when you do finally have sex it is probably going to be disappointing and slightly embarrassing and not the big epic thing you are building it up to be. First times are generally like that unfortunately.

Try to regain the positive upbeat state of mind you were in prior to this, and keep trying.

I buzz off my own hair, I have my own teeth and no....I don't pick my nose during conversation, only when I'm alone lol.

I get kind of stressed by this because realistic opportunities likes this are a rarity for me. The only exception to this is when these young women are in groups, then they feel more confident about showing interest in me....but the fact they are in a big group makes it more intimidating for me, like I'm making a speech or something.
 
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. The only exception to this is when these young women are in groups, then they feel more confident about showing interest in me....but the fact they are in a big group makes it more intimidating for me, like I'm making a speech or something.
that is because of safety in numbers duh..


you're screwed.
 
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