How would people OUTSIDE the US vote ?

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Originally posted by aloofman@Nov 3 2004, 07:40 PM
The United States is not going to become some kind of military dictatorship. That's just crazy, mainly because it doesn't need to be for Bush and his friends to have power and wealth. Everybody needs to calm down and take a deep breath. I know it's hard for Europeans and many blue-staters to understand, but Bush voters just have a different mindset than you.
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I believe it's called paranoid schizophrenia. (For reference, Jana isn't a blue-stater, and I've lived most of my life in one of the reddest states of all, so red that a guy who raped his foster daughter was governor for a long time because he was Republican.)

But let's face it: Osama isn't going to attack Birmingham's Vulcan statue or Nebraska's Carhinge. And gay marriage isn't going to ruin your marriage unless either you or your spouse is a closet homosexual. And most of us wish the inheritance tax affected us, but it doesn't. And these plans to invest the federal budget in private companies (In addition to the fact that Orange County already tried that here in California and somehow the richest county in America went bankrupt from it.) smacks of communism.
 

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Originally posted by aloofman@Nov 4 2004, 03:40 AM
...but they're real people with valid views.  Disrespecting their opinions would make us far worse than a sore loser.  It makes you a bad citizen. 

As usual, you make good points, aloofman.

I can accept that Bush won and that's that. But I have to add there is such a thing as a sore winner as well. If rank and file Democrats are expected to suck it up, be good sports and congratulate Bush on his victory, then the Republicans can at least be asked to be show some respect as well. Sadly that was not the case at my office on Wednesday.

Since Kerry's concession speech I've continued to hear trashing of Kerry because he had the audacity to mention that the country is divided. Believe it or not, Bush partisans continue to attack him even for that. At work Wednesday morning the conservatives were gloating, posturing and patting each other on the back with twisted grins on their faces. All the while they were talking with each other (in voices designed to be loud enough to be overhead by everyone nearby) that Kerry was an evil man, a loser, a machiavelli, an unAmerican schemer and that Democrats were generally a bunch of stupid idiots for questioning Bush's common sense policies. Not a word of conciliation or respect toward Kerry or the Dems.

I held my temper but it wasn't easy and it was a long day. We've all seen this kind of behavior before and its nothing new. When subjected this kind of childishness for hours on end, I suspect it would get under anyone's skin. So, with all this goodwill and good sportsmanship surrounding me, forgive me if I'm having a hard time getting excited about Bush's call to Kerry voters to support him and "heal the divisions" in the country, whatever that means.

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Originally posted by dukey85135@Nov 4 2004, 01:03 PM
Recently the Guardian published an editorial that basically longed for a John Wilkes Booth to come along to rid the world of President Bush. That's not journalism.

Of course it isn't journalism. You said yourself it was an editorial.
I love American ignorance.
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News or editorial, American or otherwise, I am offended anytime a major publication or broadcaster suggests violence be used to acheive political ends.

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Thank you, Orca! If all it takes to be a bad citizen is to suggest killing, then bush should be courtmartialed!!! Oh, that's different, that's in tha context of LEGAL MILITARY killing, so it's okay. Grrrr.

No, I'm sure not a "blue stater" sadly. I'm one of the sad Ohioans who's vote was not counted, so forgive me if I seem a bit bitchy- I have a good right to be.

Aloof, trying to defend bush by saying his foriegn policies can't get any worse just makes me sad. Now, I'm not sure you were actually defending him, but you were in fact saying that being depressed about the situation was an overreaction. Where do you think we are NOW and why? I know you can see the deficit, the war we are in and the bodies and dollars we are racking up, the lack of respect in the face of foriegn nations- does this not matter to you? Why is such a large contingent of the American population otherwise known as Republicans just turn a blind eye to all this saying "it's not really that bad"? It really IS that bad, and as much as the economy sucks now, time will tell as it slides futher down the scale, so my "internut opinion" will prove itself through the course of time, just like it already has. We are heading straight into oppressionism, as we already have begun to- this is not an opinion! It's only because you agree with the issues that you are not offended by this. I feel that that is a short sighted way to look at things, but I do accept other's rights to feel differently than me. What I can't and won't sit still for is other people voting away MY rights and expecting me to take it quietly up the arse.

Well, what is is and what will be will be. All my bitching and complaining changes nothing, and I join the majority of people who tried to make a difference in indulging in a little sadness about the state of the union.
 

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madame zora,
I believe you actually DO LIVE in a "blue state." Someone else painted it red for you. Along with a few others. Shit, why didn't I buy Diebold stock?
 

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Originally posted by KinkGuy@Nov 5 2004, 03:51 PM
madame zora,
I believe you actually DO LIVE in a "blue state." Someone else painted it red for you. Along with a few others. Shit, why didn't I buy Diebold stock?
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Or ES&S. Quite literally Diebold's sister company; their CEOs are brothers.
 

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Originally posted by ORCABOMBER@Nov 5 2004, 08:34 AM
Welcome to the real world. Violence is ALWAYS used to an end.

I mean, we're not in Iraq on vacation, although I'm sure the people are very nice.

Orca:

I'm not quite sure what your implying here but I'm not rerferring to Iraq. I'm disappointed that you seem to think I'm so naive as to believe that aren't violent people doing violent things to achieve political ends. I'm more well aware of that "real world" than you might suspect.

All I am saying is its counterproductive and dangerous for a newspaper or broadcaster to imply that assassination or bombing or other violence against democratically elected leaders is OK. Does anybody doubt what that will eventually lead to? It's a path I don't want any of us to go down. I didn't like it when some broadcasters suggested offing Bill Clinton and I equally don't like it when newspapers such as The Guardian suggest assassinating George Bush. That kind of talk eventually leads to ruin for us all.

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Oh, more fraud from the Bush League. Turns out that Lucas County actually cast no votes for Kerry, and more votes for a write-in candidate than for Bush.
 

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Originally posted by jonb@Nov 6 2004, 03:13 PM
Oh, more fraud from the Bush League. Turns out that Lucas County actually cast no votes for Kerry, and more votes for a write-in candidate than for Bush.
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Shocking !
 

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You don't get it: Bush did a "shock and awe" campaign against Iraq. S&A specifically targets civilian structures so as to lower morale. So I took that and turned it into shocking and awful.
 

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Yep, that one went right over. Sorry, NOW it's hysterical. Kinda' takes the fun outta' them when you have to stop and explain 'em to slow folks like me, huh? :blink:
 

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Originally posted by SpeedoGuy+Nov 6 2004, 01:40 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpeedoGuy &#064; Nov 6 2004, 01:40 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ORCABOMBER@Nov 5 2004, 08:34 AM
Welcome to the real world. Violence is ALWAYS used to an end.

I mean, we&#39;re not in Iraq on vacation, although I&#39;m sure the people are very nice.

Orca:

I&#39;m not quite sure what your implying here but I&#39;m not rerferring to Iraq. I&#39;m disappointed that you seem to think I&#39;m so naive as to believe that aren&#39;t violent people doing violent things to achieve political ends. I&#39;m more well aware of that "real world" than you might suspect.

All I am saying is its counterproductive and dangerous for a newspaper or broadcaster to imply that assassination or bombing or other violence against democratically elected leaders is OK. Does anybody doubt what that will eventually lead to? It&#39;s a path I don&#39;t want any of us to go down. I didn&#39;t like it when some broadcasters suggested offing Bill Clinton and I equally don&#39;t like it when newspapers such as The Guardian suggest assassinating George Bush. That kind of talk eventually leads to ruin for us all.

SG
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[/b][/quote]Well, under the Patriot act and the Anti-terror act, saying that against your own leader means you&#39;ve probably gonna get a good "ass-ramming" (figuratively, not literally). I&#39;m not accusing you of being naive as such, but I have a low opinion of politicians in general.

Of course, doing the same to other democratically (or otherwise) leaders is perfectly OK.
 

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Well, actually, threatening to kill the president has always been a felony. Of course, when it was Clinton, all kinds of right-wingers were getting away with not only threatening, but even attempting to do so.
 

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Well, Orca, most rational people know there&#39;s a difference between lying about blowjobs and lying about defense issues. If there were no big and little sins, parking tickets would get the same punishment as murder, but the Repubs seem to overlook that. Christ on a waffle, I give up&#33;