How's that scary, hatey thing going for ya? Recession recovery moving in right direct

[TomCat84]

I'm sure you meant Michigan...
Leaving Michigan Behind: Eight-year population exodus staggers state

Massachusetts' population figures have basically held steady over the past decade. Plus, Mass. isn't in the 'rust belt'. :smile:

Indeed, but unless I'm mistaken, demographers are still projecting Massachusetts to lose one seat or two, based on the explosive growth of other states. There are even some folks who think that California will lose a seat, because of the slow growth rate- which is interesting, because unless I'm mistaken, California is still in the top three states or so in terms of numerical population gain, just not percentage gain.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^CA wouldn't lose a seat in net, but rather 'lose' a seat previously projected to be gained.

MA will most likely lose a single seat, but may not lose any if some of the states out West and in the Midwest don't improve their Census return results during door-to-door tabulating.

MI is definitely going to lose a seat, maybe even two.

 

[TomCat84]

^CA wouldn't lose a seat in net, but rather 'lose' a seat previously projected to be gained.

MA will most likely lose a single seat, but may not lose any if some of the states out West and in the Midwest don't improve their Census return results during door-to-door tabulating.

MI is definitely going to lose a seat, maybe even two.

We're still the 55 electoral vote behemoth :biggrin1:

 

[mikeyh9in]

Thanks Trinity... and the Republican solution is either "Hell, No!", or "cut taxes for the Rich and increase military spending." Those are the only two ideas Republicans have, and we've heard them before -- the good news is that people aren't listening to that same bullshit.

Obama's economic policies are not improving the U.S. economy for the future. His deficit spending is weakening our country. Despite adding jobs in recent months, Unemployment increased. Underemployment is still a crisis. (The spin by the WH ignored - a higher unemployment rate is not good news because we need to be adding jobs at a higher rate to meet the increased need) The number of families suffering from foreclosure and credit debt, higher taxes and prices for everything is clearly being ignored and belittled by Obama and the Democrats.

Reality Check! The American people suffering know and understand that Obama's miniscule job additions do not meet the needs of 15 million of out of work Americans to say nothing of the millions who are struggling and have been struggling through the recession underemployed and overtaxed. As long as they feel the pain and can not feed their families or pay their bills...they won't be buying anything Obama and the Democrats are peddaling. They are now immune to the hope and change rhetoric because they need substance which equals a full-time job with benefits, more hours, credit for their small businesses, a home after being foreclosed on...
Burst of hiring aids recovery, but long slog ahead



"I'm right here." She said.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Thank God we had the Republicans around to slash necessary regulation, cheer Wall St bailouts, oppose the stimulus, and oppose anything else that would empower the middle class to improve their economic situation (like opposing minimum wage increase, oppose cracking down on employers who hire illegals, oppose improved college education funding, etc)... Afterall, if it wasn't for the Republicans, the regulations that were in place to prevent such a financial collapse would have never been repealed and gutted in the first place... If it wasn't for the Republicans, Wall St fat cats would have had to rely on existing laws to deal with their self-created balance sheet crisis (aka, bankruptcy)... If it wasn't for Republicans, the stimulus would have been significantly more robust and would have been much more pointed in directly creating jobs and rebuilding infrastructure... If it wasn't for Republicans, there would actually be some accountability right now, both in government and on Wall St.

 

[B_OtterJoq]

And if it weren't for the Republicans, the Gulf Of Mexico wouldn't be a cesspool of toxic death.

Why Cheney hasn't been subpoenaed re: those secret meetings with energy execs is beyond me. That fuckwad already belonged in prison.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

And if it weren't for the Republicans, the Gulf Of Mexico wouldn't be a cesspool of toxic death.

Nice hyperbole. Couldn't have done it better myself.

 

[Trinity]

Thanks Trinity... and the Republican solution is either "Hell, No!", or "cut taxes for the Rich and increase military spending." Those are the only two ideas Republicans have, and we've heard them before -- the good news is that people aren't listening to that same bullshit.

The Republican brand was destroyed because under Bush because the GOP lost failed to maintain their fiscal responsibility. The Republicans have been revitalized because the Democrats under Obama have lost their political minds and gone on a deficit spending tear that threatens to collapse the U.S. economy under the guise of saving it.

The economic situation we find ourselves in due to mistakes made on Bush's watch is not a reason to support Obama and the Democrat's madness. And the American are much wiser to Obama's game and do not support it.

By the way, Obama and the Democrats increased military spending and several Democrats are in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts :

Reps. Bobby Bright (D-Ala.) and Mike McMahon (D-N.Y.) asked members in a “Dear Colleague” letter Thursday to support extending the tax cuts, which passed in 2001 and 2003 and are set to expire this year, for at least another two years. Specifically, Bright and McMahon are asking lawmakers to sign a letter to Obama asking him to include the tax cuts in his budget plans for 2010.
“Allowing these tax rates to expire during this recession runs the risk of curtailing economic expansion just when it begins to pick up and could lead to a ‘double dip’ recession,” says the letter to Obama.

The Hill.com

If it wasn't for Republicans, the stimulus would have been significantly more robust and would have been much more pointed in directly creating jobs and rebuilding infrastructure... If it wasn't for Republicans, there would actually be some accountability right now, both in government and on Wall St.

If the stimulus were significantly more robust we would have a 2 Trillion dollar stimulus that didn't create high paying jobs with benefits, that didn't reduced unemployment and didn't repair our failing infrastructure - just like now, only waste more money.

Obama was told by the Republicans to help small businesses who create the majority of jobs. Obama and the Democrats failed to cut taxes for small businesses enough to create significant job growth with the stimulus because small businesses fall into their "can't cut taxes for the wealthy" evil. That is the reason for the numerous subsequent 10 billion dollar JOBS Bills passed to do what the Republicans told Obama to do in the first place. The Stimulus was a waste of tax payer money and Obama has no idea what he is doing.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

sigh.... Yet more of the same nonsensical bullshit, from the same fool.

So, I guess the friends I have who have jobs directly due to stimulus projects are lying? I guess back when I was on unemployment, and it got extended because of one of those 'jobs' bills passed by Congress, it was a figment of my imagination?

Clearly, there is no point responding to someone who claims to know it all, and will refuse to acknowledge any fact that diminishes the fantasies you have conjured up in your feeble mind. Go peddle your bullshit some place else Trinity. We're done having a laugh at your pathetic, repetitive lies around here.

(ps... You might want to take note that pretty soon, your brand of trolling is going to be expressly forbidden here. Maybe you should leave now, instead of getting banned in disgrace later)

 

[Kotchanski]

(ps... You might want to take note that pretty soon, your brand of trolling is going to be expressly forbidden here. Maybe you should leave now, instead of getting banned in disgrace later)

I'm not getting involved in this discussion, but I ask that you nor anyone else use suggestions from my thread as threats to other members to suggest they are going to be banned as part of the forum changed. I'll further stipulate that the discussions within said thread are ongoing and far from finalised, so no statements of fact can be given as to what will/will not be tolerated under the final draft.

 

[mikeyh9in]

The Republican brand was destroyed because under Bush because the GOP lost failed to maintain their fiscal responsibility. The Republicans have been revitalized because the Democrats under Obama have lost their political minds and gone on a deficit spending tear that threatens to collapse the U.S. economy under the guise of saving it.

The economic situation we find ourselves in due to mistakes made on Bush's watch is not a reason to support Obama and the Democrat's madness. And the American are much wiser to Obama's game and do not support it.

By the way, Obama and the Democrats increased military spending and several Democrats are in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts :

Republicans revitalized... that's funny. They appear totally split... TEA Partiers and GOP. Palin can't make up her mind which one she is... and it doesn't appear that the TEA Party hatred or government is making them turn out to the polls to actually vote!

Republicans ideas and platform:

- Anti-choice for women
- Anti-homosexual
- Tax cuts for the Rich (the pennies will trickle down)
- Privatize Social Security
- Subsidize America's farmers to a point of anti-competitiveness
- Eliminate welfare
- Deregulation of Wall Street (How's that working?)
- Deregulation of the Energy Industry (How that working?)

Economic Recession is a time where deficit spending is a necessary evil (I point to Japan's recession in the 90's and their mistakes and how the mistakes extended the recession many more years).

The Hill.com



If the stimulus were significantly more robust we would have a 2 Trillion dollar stimulus that didn't create high paying jobs with benefits, that didn't reduced unemployment and didn't repair our failing infrastructure - just like now, only waste more money.

Obama was told by the Republicans to help small businesses who create the majority of jobs. Obama and the Democrats failed to cut taxes for small businesses enough to create significant job growth with the stimulus because small businesses fall into their "can't cut taxes for the wealthy" evil. That is the reason for the numerous subsequent 10 billion dollar JOBS Bills passed to do what the Republicans told Obama to do in the first place. The Stimulus was a waste of tax payer money and Obama has no idea what he is doing.

 

[JTalbain]

The Republican brand was destroyed because under Bush because the GOP lost failed to maintain their fiscal responsibility. The Republicans have been revitalized because the Democrats under Obama have lost their political minds and gone on a deficit spending tear that threatens to collapse the U.S. economy under the guise of saving it.

Actually, looking at the situation economically, deficit spending in order to flatten out a recession, followed by using any eventual surpluses in order to help pay it down, is almost always the way to go. The numbers involved might be mind-blowingly huge for the average person, but for the American government, this is really no different than one of those small businesses taking out a loan in order to invest in itself.

The economic situation we find ourselves in due to mistakes made on Bush's watch is not a reason to support Obama and the Democrat's madness. And the American are much wiser to Obama's game and do not support it.

I seriously think the American lack of support is being overblown. Polls show the average American doesn't even know what is going on and is trying to sift through the bullshit and lies to get to the truth.

By the way, Obama and the Democrats increased military spending and several Democrats are in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts :

The Hill.com

And it's about time somebody did. Obama decided to get it done and made a push to do so. There is something that we have under Obama that we don't really have Bush to thank for: withdrawal dates.

If the stimulus were significantly more robust we would have a 2 Trillion dollar stimulus that didn't create high paying jobs with benefits, that didn't reduced unemployment and didn't repair our failing infrastructure - just like now, only waste more money.

Obama was told by the Republicans to help small businesses who create the majority of jobs. Obama and the Democrats failed to cut taxes for small businesses enough to create significant job growth with the stimulus because small businesses fall into their "can't cut taxes for the wealthy" evil. That is the reason for the numerous subsequent 10 billion dollar JOBS Bills passed to do what the Republicans told Obama to do in the first place. The Stimulus was a waste of tax payer money and Obama has no idea what he is doing.

I always find this particular talking point riotously stupid, but I find it even MORE stupid that so many people buy into it.

Here is an economic formula for you: C + I + G + Nx = GDP. That's Consumption, Investment, Government Spending, Net Exports, and Gross Domestic Product. Consumption is the amount that people spend, and this is determined by the following formula: C = A + MD. Consumption function: Definition from Answers.com for explanation. Of importance is MD, or marginal propensity to consume and disposable income. Basically, as disposable income goes up, so does spending. Also, Americans are notorious for having a very high M value; we don't save worth a damn. Also, increasing Consumption will increase GDP, which tends to equate to more prosperity for everyone.

Now go to any small business that has had to cut jobs. ANY small business. And ask them why they had to lay people off. You could also ask anywhere in the retail and restaurant industry. The reason why is simple: they don't have enough people spending enough money there. If decreased revenue equals fewer jobs, then increased revenue equals.......

Injecting money into the economy at either end will work for everyone eventually. This debate is actually just a reflection of values. The Republicans are seeking to help out the businesses first and have the benefits trickle down, whereas the Democrats are seeking to help those on the bottom first and have the benefits trickle up. From a purely pragmatic viewpoint, that is, the greatest good for the greatest number, I agree with the Democrat solution, because I think more people will see the results faster.

 

[Trinity]

Republicans revitalized... that's funny. They appear totally split... TEA Partiers and GOP. Palin can't make up her mind which one she is... and it doesn't appear that the TEA Party hatred or government is making them turn out to the polls to actually vote!

Yep. Revitalized and you know it...and Obama knows it too.

I always find this particular talking point riotously stupid, but I find it even MORE stupid that so many people buy into it.

Here is an economic formula for you: C + I + G + Nx = GDP. That's Consumption, Investment, Government Spending, Net Exports, and Gross Domestic Product. Consumption is the amount that people spend, and this is determined by the following formula: C = A + MD. Consumption function: Definition from Answers.com for explanation. Of importance is MD, or marginal propensity to consume and disposable income. Basically, as disposable income goes up, so does spending. Also, Americans are notorious for having a very high M value; we don't save worth a damn. Also, increasing Consumption will increase GDP, which tends to equate to more prosperity for everyone.

Now go to any small business that has had to cut jobs. ANY small business. And ask them why they had to lay people off. You could also ask anywhere in the retail and restaurant industry. The reason why is simple: they don't have enough people spending enough money there. If decreased revenue equals fewer jobs, then increased revenue equals.......

Injecting money into the economy at either end will work for everyone eventually.

I find that talking point ridiculous. Deficit spending and injecting borrowed with interest money into the economy hasn't reduced unemployment. It went up.

Obama's latest unpaid for Jobs bills which are simply more wasted stimulus have been paying for extensions of unemployment benefits and doing what he should have done in the first place to help small businesses.

Obama's economic policies will work eventually for everyone? Is that before or after his healthcare reform reduces healthcare costs and premiums? Obama is deficit spending the economy into collapse with no plan to create real jobs. The unemployment figures manipulated by Obama's administration even demonstrate that.

This debate is actually just a reflection of values. The Republicans are seeking to help out the businesses first and have the benefits trickle down, whereas the Democrats are seeking to help those on the bottom first and have the benefits trickle up. From a purely pragmatic viewpoint, that is, the greatest good for the greatest number, I agree with the Democrat solution, because I think more people will see the results faster.

Small businesses create the majority of jobs. If small businesses are paying more for goods and paying higher taxes due to the recession, can't get credit and are closing left and right because consumers don't have jobs and are living off the meager pennies of unemployment benefits that we taxpayers are paying interest on...It won't work. It doesn't work. It's not a value choice - it's commonsense.

 

[HazelGod]

This debate is actually just a reflection of values. The Republicans are seeking to help out the businesses first and have the benefits trickle down...

Ah, yes...Reagan's good ol' "voodoo economics." Tell me again how that worked out for us?

 

[B_talltpaguy]

I'm not getting involved in this discussion, but I ask that you nor anyone else use suggestions from my thread as threats to other members to suggest they are going to be banned as part of the forum changed. I'll further stipulate that the discussions within said thread are ongoing and far from finalised, so no statements of fact can be given as to what will/will not be tolerated under the final draft.

Ok... my bad.

 

[Industrialsize]

Repairing The Job Machine

More jobs might be created this year than during George W. Bush's presidency.

by Ronald Brownstein
Saturday, May 15, 2010

If the economy produces jobs over the next eight months at the same pace as it did over the past four months, the nation will have created more jobs in 2010 alone than it did over the entire eight years of George W. Bush's presidency......

National Journal Magazine - Repairing The Job Machine

 

[deleted15807]

Republicans ideas and platform:

- Privatize Social Security

And we know the 'privatize' is just a ruse to turn more dollars over to Wall Street Masters of the Universe.

 

[Trinity]

Repairing The Job Machine

More jobs might be created this year than during George W. Bush's presidency.

by Ronald Brownstein
Saturday, May 15, 2010

If the economy produces jobs over the next eight months at the same pace as it did over the past four months, the nation will have created more jobs in 2010 alone than it did over the entire eight years of George W. Bush's presidency......

National Journal Magazine - Repairing The Job Machine

'If...the economy produces jobs over THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS at the SAME PACE as it did over the past four months..."

And then the article states:

"That comparison comes with many footnotes and asterisks."


Of course it does...it's an "IF" statement.

And even if that statement becomes a fact...why in the world would an Obama supporter want to make a sad comparison that Obama did better than what he thought was a failed Presidency? He is setting the bar low and trying to look like Obama achieved something.


Articles written like this look like desperate attempts to talk up Obama because he is failing on the Jobs front.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^lololololol

 

[Trinity]

^lololololol

I laughed at the "Big IF" article too.