Huckabee thinking a miracle could happen?

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  1. B_superlarge

    B_superlarge New Member

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    He talks about God so much I can't help but think he's probably been praying to win and is hoping God's reply is just around the corner. When it doesn't occur he'll eventually chalk it up to God's will. If he were to win, which any rational person can see he's not going to, then I would bet he'd thank God for his winning in the face of sure defeat. The voters that made him win would be just secondary, for God was the real reason he won. You can say I'm wrong, but listen to him, the way he thinks and the words he speaks. Why else is he holding on now? His mindset must be that at this point: Waiting on the answer to his prayers. Nevermind the recent 2.5 million dollar study that indicated prayers are not being answered any more than random luck occurs (in other words, no correlation to indicate prayer works). Nevermind he won't win. Nevermind. God lives on in the minds that created him. He doesn't exist.
     
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    Maybe he'll find out he has the wrong God and switch religions, then try to run in 2012.
     
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    Maybe you just choose to not acknowledge god, thus you don't see him and that's okay.

    Other than God, I'm guessing you don't like huckster for other reasons?
     
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    Huckabee is not a good idea for a candidate; he's the kind of man that would try to lead America towards theocracy, and that's not a good thing.
     
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    He only believes in one God existing. If he lived in the time when mainstream believed in many Gods then he would believe in many Gods.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    I don't think even with Chuck Norris kickin' everyone's ass for votes that Huckabee's a good choice for the White House.
     
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    I will be glad when I see him ride his Jesus horse into the sunset.
    He should just step aside so McCain can lose the presidential nomination in peace.
     
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    As a man who is religious and has faith, I do not like Huckabee for that reason. There are others, but religion is the main issue.

    With the recent cabinet, religion has crept in a few times and when it does, it has had an adverse affect on all people, even said cabinet.

    Too many aspects of our day to day lives are starting to be dictated by someone's religion, that is wrong and I firmly believe in a strict seperation of church and state. If we don't maintain that seperation of the two systems, then we are no better than the Taliban, the Iranians, and all the other Mid-Eastern people we criticize for living in a theocracy.

    If Huckabee wins the White House, we will be on our way to a Theocracy of Hypocrisy. I don't want my kids growing up in that sort of place.
     
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    Osirus,

    I agree. The problem is not with the people of genuine faith. It is with people who discover they can rise to the top on being in "contact with God." The problem is in a theocracy is a a matter of time before false people, that is people who don't believe in that religion take over for power. Then the theocracy turns ugly. It is hypocrites that take over the religion that cause the problem.

    I have witnessed true believers of many religions. They are peaceful people in general. There will always be people who hijack a religion for personal gain.
     
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    Move to Canada... practicing religion will be illegal there sometime in the next 50 years.
     
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    was JFK one of the high jackers?
    Nothing wrong with having someone of faith in office IMO.

    oh no! our money has in god we trust on it. crap :)
     
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    Huckabee recalls George W. Bush, a man who claims he talks to God frequently. I think the God he has been talking to has been feeding him all the wrong answers, or Dick Cheny is hiding behind that tree, speaking for God.

    I don't trust the view that God will answer your prayers. Were this the case, we'd all be winning the Powerball lottery. You football team will always win.

    God is neutral.
     
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    Kennedy had his Catholicism, but you hardly saw him making everybody take the Eucharist on Sunday. His religion was only an issue for the polsters and not his presidency.

    By all means have your faith, but keep it private and personal. It has no place in the governing of a mutli-theocratic nation. Our forefathers knew this. They fled England to escape the persectution of the Catholics and the Church of England. Why do you think they wrote "Freedom of Religion" into the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, etc.?

    In God We Trust, yes.

    In God We Rule, NEVER!
     
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    depends on what you are praying for, he won't answer selfish prayers. it isn't the goal. the goal is that you seek a relationship with him and through that you will chose to change your behavior to honor him. One of the things that is so wrong is when some way out people picket abortion clinics or have hateful words for others. They just have it all wrong. In fact, the only time Christ raised his voice in anger was in a church. It just isn't about church, it's personal and shouldn't be imposed on others. There is some peace or contentment with those that have it right. Sorry, I blathered way off topic, should start a new post for those that are interested, but I typed already typed it and I'm a little lazy
     
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    Orisis - You put it so much better than I did. Well done. THAT'S some correct thinking.
     
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    Great post Osiris, you rock dude.:biggrin1:
     
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    Not really.

    This won't change any religious minds, of course.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/he..._r=2&th&emc=th


    Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer


    By BENEDICT CAREY
    Published: March 31, 2006
    Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.
    And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.
    Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.
    The question has been a contentious one among researchers. Proponents have argued that prayer is perhaps the most deeply human response to disease, and that it may relieve suffering by some mechanism that is not yet understood. Skeptics have contended that studying prayer is a waste of money and that it presupposes supernatural intervention, putting it by definition beyond the reach of science.
    At least 10 studies of the effects of prayer have been carried out in the last six years, with mixed results. The new study was intended to overcome flaws in the earlier investigations. The report was scheduled to appear in The American Heart Journal next week, but the journal's publisher released it online yesterday.
    In a hurriedly convened news conference, the study's authors, led by Dr. Herbert Benson, a cardiologist and director of the Mind/Body Medical Institute near Boston, said that the findings were not the last word on the effects of so-called intercessory prayer. But the results, they said, raised questions about how and whether patients should be told that prayers were being offered for them.
    "One conclusion from this is that the role of awareness of prayer should be studied further," said Dr. Charles Bethea, a cardiologist at Integris Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City and a co-author of the study.
    Other experts said the study underscored the question of whether prayer was an appropriate subject for scientific study.
    "The problem with studying religion scientifically is that you do violence to the phenomenon by reducing it to basic elements that can be quantified, and that makes for bad science and bad religion," said Dr. Richard Sloan, a professor of behavioral medicine at Columbia and author of a forthcoming book, "Blind Faith: The Unholy Alliance of Religion and Medicine."
    The study cost $2.4 million, and most of the money came from the John Templeton Foundation, which supports research into spirituality. The government has spent more than $2.3 million on prayer research since 2000.
    Dean Marek, a chaplain at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., and a co-author of the report, said the study said nothing about the power of personal prayer or about prayers for family members and friends.
    Working in a large medical center like Mayo, Mr. Marek said, "You hear tons of stories about the power of prayer, and I don't doubt them."
    In the study, the researchers monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals who received coronary bypass surgery, in which doctors reroute circulation around a clogged vein or artery.
    The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.
    The researchers asked the members of three congregations — St. Paul's Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester, Mass.; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City — to deliver the prayers, using the patients' first names and the first initials of their last names.
    The congregations were told that they could pray in their own ways, but they were instructed to include the phrase, "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications."
    Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.
    In another of the study's findings, a significantly higher number of the patients who knew that they were being prayed for — 59 percent — suffered complications, compared with 51 percent of those who were uncertain. The authors left open the possibility that this was a chance finding. But they said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.
    "It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?" Dr. Bethea said.
    The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.
    One reason the study was so widely anticipated was that it was led by Dr. Benson, who in his work has emphasized the soothing power of personal prayer and meditation.
    At least one earlier study found lower complication rates in patients who received intercessory prayers; others found no difference. A 1997 study at the University of New Mexico, involving 40 alcoholics in rehabilitation, found that the men and women who knew they were being prayed for actually fared worse.
    The new study was rigorously designed to avoid problems like the ones that came up in the earlier studies. But experts said the study could not overcome perhaps the largest obstacle to prayer study: the unknown amount of prayer each person received from friends, families, and congregations around the world who pray daily for the sick and dying.
    Bob Barth, the spiritual director of Silent Unity, the Missouri prayer ministry, said the findings would not affect the ministry's mission.
    "A person of faith would say that this study is interesting," Mr. Barth said, "but we've been praying a long time and we've seen prayer work, we know it works, and the research on prayer and spirituality is just getting started."
     
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    Yeah, but were they praying for complications :)
    Little life ins money, let's face it, lotta divorce out there and whoomp! pay day!

    i wonder how many divorce papers were already filed for those that perished in 9/11? Or were miserable in their marriage when it happened. . ..That biz-actch was cheatin' on me. Oh shizzle, the towers are down.....how am I not going to smile at the funeral??
     
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    I kept waiting for him to say some scary religious stuff but it didn't happen. At least not for me. He didn't hide from his faith but neither did he wallow in it from what I could tell. I actually thought ol' Huckleberry was kind of a well spoken hoot.

    I also thought it might be sort of cool to have an ex Baptist minister, prime candidate for a slim fast commercial, bass player in a rock band president. :biggrin1:
     
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