Huckabee Wants To Change Constitution

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The U.S. has become a de facto two party government, any person who chooses to combat that narrow minded polarization between right and left, especially when no real distinction exists between the parties, has not wasted a vote.

Close. The U.S. has actually become a de facto one party government. The meaningful differences between the Dems and Reps are few and far between.

As the saying goes, the Democratic Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party.
 

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Hey why that tone with the atheists and agnostics? I think that valid arguments exists to accept and reject or to doubt the existance of god or gods.:rolleyes: Also many christians are mouthy too.:smile::smile:
That is exactly my point. I believe that the opinions of atheists and agnostics are valuable especially in the political arena. We need you guys to balance out the religious right who tend to be overly vocal. My only qualm is that with the current state of the two party system when people vote for fringe candidates it splits the vote and thats not good. That's how we ended up with Bush, not once but twice! :12:

He is one of the most frightening politicians I have read about in a while.
I think he, Ron Paul; and Mitt Romney are equally frightening.
 

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Dipshit (and I rarely reserve berating fellow LPSGers...)

It's rhetoric.... our money says in God we trust.. so what if they back something with a little faith... doesn't bother this aethiest.

I have spoken with attorneys in regards to separation of chuch and state as it regards school and school law courses who are surprised that this particular phrase still exists on our money.

Just because something is, does not mean it is right. In some cases, it just means that it has not been challenged yet.
 

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Speaking of... since the gazillion LPSGers here seem to completely shit on Christianity, and pat each other on the back (re: Zora, et al)...

Can someone kindly fwd me a picture of the Koran (and fell free to open the page to a most sacred script) to shoot a huge cumshot all over... video tape and post hereto...

Thought so.. hypocrites...
Again, you show your stupidity. No one is "shitting on christianity", except maybe you, with your attitude.

We are shitting on anyone who thinks the Constitution should be amended to read more like the bible.

You are such an asshole, but at least you are consistent.
 

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I fail to see anything scary in what Paul said in that clip. Simply that all individuals are to be given equal treatment from the federal government's standpoint (a standpoint he would have made much much less important anyways). Unless it is the affirmative action/hate law thing you are referring to. I'm not going to argue that, as it represents a fundamental difference in governmental duty and worldview that there's no rectifying on a large penis forum.

EDIT: that said, I do take offense to the positions of Keyes, Huckabee and most others on that recording.
 

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Speaking of... since the gazillion LPSGers here seem to completely shit on Christianity, and pat each other on the back (re: Zora, et al)...

Can someone kindly fwd me a picture of the Koran (and fell free to open the page to a most sacred script) to shoot a huge cumshot all over... video tape and post hereto...

Thought so.. hypocrites...
face,
Good to hear from you. Its been a while. Actually, I think you have me all wrong. My concern about the Constitution being rewritten to be more like the Bible comes from my deep faith as a Christian. Separation of church and state is more important to me as a religious person than it probably is to an atheist.

We desperately need to protect the government from religion and religion from government. Look around you and notice that America is the most religious nation in the world. This is partly due to the fact that we have a government that is bound by law to be neutral on religion.

Also notice those countries that either have or had a state sponsored religion and notice that probably only 10% of their populations are now religous.

Also notice those countries that either are or want to be theocracies. Those are very very scary places to be.
 

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Good to hear from you. Its been a while. Actually, I think you have me all wrong. My concern about the Constitution being rewritten to be more like the Bible comes from my deep faith as a Christian. Separation of church and state is more important to me as a religious person than it probably is to an atheist.

We desperately need to protect the government from religion and religion from government. Look around you and notice that America is the most religious nation in the world. This is partly due to the fact that we have a government that is bound by law to be neutral on religion.

Also notice those countries that either have or had a state sponsored religion and notice that probably only 10% of their populations are now religous.

Also notice those countries that either are or want to be theocracies. Those are very very scary places to be.

Touche... well put (as always)

But not sure if we are going the right of "state sponsored" vs some 'token declaration'... what Huckabee proposes (and I'm a non-Huck supporter) would carry about as much weight as some declaration declaring 'genocide in country X in year Y' as deplorable. Like having a president say he/she is pro-life/pro-choice.... "yeah???? whadda ya gonna do about it?"
 

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Touche... well put (as always)

But not sure if we are going the right of "state sponsored" vs some 'token declaration'... what Huckabee proposes (and I'm a non-Huck supporter) would carry about as much weight as some declaration declaring 'genocide in country X in year Y' as deplorable. Like having a president say he/she is pro-life/pro-choice.... "yeah???? whadda ya gonna do about it?"
What would he do about it? Any President who denies science in lieu of what he thinks is an inerrant Bible is apt to deny other realities and do such things as interpret world events from the point of view of Revelation or something like that.

I am not saying that the President should not be religious. I am saying that Huckabee shows a bent towards the kind of fundamentalism that I spoke about above. Its the kind of fundamentalism that has far too much "certainty" for its own good. Its the kind of certainty that in recent history it has shown a tendency to want to restrict civil rights rather than enhance them.

Also, its quite possible that the next President could be in a position to appoint a Supreme Court Justice.
 

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10% income tax to the church is what it is all about. You want to go back to that? That was one of the big reasons we revolted in 1776. The Church of England took your tithe wether you belonged to it or not. Wake up America, it's all about money. Some fools in Florida want to change the state constitution because Jeb Bush's voucher scheme to send tax dollars to religious schools was shot down by the Florida Supreme Court because of the separation of church and state clause in the state constitution. You conservatives and libertarians are always bitching about taxes, so how about creating yet another bloodsucking taxing authority. What a scam. Give 10% and you will get a pass to heaven. Jesus never gave 10% to the damn priests. In fact he and his gang busted up the whole operation going on outside the Temple and that is what got him condemned when he threatened their cash flow and the cut they handed over to the Romans.
 

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10% income tax to the church is what it is all about. You want to go back to that? That was one of the big reasons we revolted in 1776. The Church of England took your tithe wether you belonged to it or not. Wake up America, it's all about money. Some fools in Florida want to change the state constitution because Jeb Bush's voucher scheme to send tax dollars to religious schools was shot down by the Florida Supreme Court because of the separation of church and state clause in the state constitution. You conservatives and libertarians are always bitching about taxes, so how about creating yet another bloodsucking taxing authority. What a scam. Give 10% and you will get a pass to heaven. Jesus never gave 10% to the damn priests. In fact he and his gang busted up the whole operation going on outside the Temple and that is what got him condemned when he threatened their cash flow and the cut they handed over to the Romans.
joejack,
That's consistent with other things going on in Fla. At least 12 county Boards of Education are protesting the change in the state science curriculum because it will soon actually mention Evolution.

Has anyone ever read The Handmaiden's Tale?
 

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joejack,
That's consistent with other things going on in Fla. At least 12 county Boards of Education are protesting the change in the state science curriculum because it will soon actually mention Evolution.

Has anyone ever read The Handmaiden's Tale?
Call the Guiness Book of World Records... I get to correct a typo in JA's post!:biggrin1:

Yes, I have read The Handmaid's Tale. It gave me the creepy-chills, just as do some of these fundamentalist candidates.

By the way, are you the only christian in the world who doesn't think that my right to be a non-christian violates your right to be a christian? I just simply cannot figure out how so many of these idiots think that if I don't join them, it infringes on their free exercise.

Qua?, you must not have been listening very closely to what Paul said in that clip. I agree (carefully) that hate crime laws violate 14th amendment protections, but there are several caveats that go along with that, and are topics for another thread. One of the many things that bothered me about Paul in that "debate" was his logic and proposed solutions regarding school choice as a means of combatting the "homosexual agenda."
 

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I've said it before (on these fora) and I'll say it again: Read science fiction.

Almost every author describing a United States based in the near future assumes that (1) a theocracy has been voted into existence and (2) people's civil rights are out the window.

I'm not afraid of someone who has faith in a deity. I'm afraid of not being treated equally under the law because I have a different faith, or no faith at all.

NCbear (who's actively looking for jobs in other countries)
 

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I've said it before (on these fora) and I'll say it again: Read science fiction.

Almost every author describing a United States based in the near future assumes that (1) a theocracy has been voted into existence and (2) people's civil rights are out the window.

I'm not afraid of someone who has faith in a deity. I'm afraid of not being treated equally under the law because I have a different faith, or no faith at all.

NCbear (who's actively looking for jobs in other countries)

I prefer science fact.

At a conference on artificial intelligence, someone there had modeled what would happen to humans as artificial intelligence became increasingly intelligent. Every graph came to the same conclusion.

So don't fret too much about this religion stuff. In short order, we'll all be in the same place anyway, replaced by our ultimate creation. :cool:
 

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The interesting thing I've noticed about Huckabee is how convincing the man can be when you hear his voice but don't see him. I listen to him on the radio at times-not because I intend to, I just happen to be preset at that station and his program comes on.

The softness and sweetness of his voice could get people to believe him if he said the world will be saved only if we all saw off our left big toe.



A bit frightening.
 

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I :heart: Huckabee - not

I don't think being religious has anything to do with wanting to change the Constitution. No, Huckabee's just a politician posturing for votes.
Someone's gotta patronize the Evangelicals and be a whore for their votes. Lord knows it ain't going to be Giuliani, he's already going to hell for infidelity, Romney is Mormon so he is disqualified, and McCain has some dignity.

And McCain isn't going to hell for infidelity? Those evangelicals are suffering from selective amnesia,eh?:rolleyes:
 

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The interesting thing I've noticed about Huckabee is how convincing the man can be when you hear his voice but don't see him. I listen to him on the radio at times-not because I intend to, I just happen to be preset at that station and his program comes on.

The softness and sweetness of his voice could get people to believe him if he said the world will be saved only if we all saw off our left big toe.



A bit frightening.

There's precedent for this (although not someone who was in political office). Jim Jones, anyone?
 

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And McCain isn't going to hell for infidelity? Those evangelicals are suffering from selective amnesia,eh?:rolleyes:

Yeah, but it's ok if you cheat on your spouse as long as you claim to be a strong Christian AND are anti-choice and anti-gay. You just go to hell if you're pro-choice or pro-gay, regardless if you cheat on your spouse or not or if you're a Christian or not. (note sarcasm here...)