Hum Bug.

[Mr. Snakey]

You wouldn't dream of insulting me? You have.

Lets end this. Makes no sense. We will talk again mabye when your sober, Mabye by july or august:tongue:

 

[B_spiker067]

Way off topic but its probably better to put this here than starting a new thread or rehashing an old one.

Do you think that the personnel who performed the sex orientated torture acts in Abu Gharaib were people who were desensitized to their crimes by viewing online pornography? Or were they likelier to be people who would read the Bible on a weekly basis? Or do you honestly believe neither supposition would probably best describe the perpetrators of the crimes? Are people able to overcome the visualization effects offered by internet pornography or do they need to re-center their value systems somehow? I was asked by someone if they really needed the Bible to know right from wrong (I think it would be no different to read the Bible to charge up your values than it is to read lpsg.org to recharge your balls.:smile

After indulging in lpsg.org do you spend time at Lutheran Planned Giving Services Nebraska Synod Agencies and Institutions? (lpgs.org a mere surfing typo away) I went through a phase were I asked secular people and parochial people if they gave of their time and money to charity and more parochial people did give of their time and money than did secular people. Secular people always said that they intended to give of time and money but that for some reason they didn’t get around to it. Why would there be a difference?

For the record the nominal time and money I give, to my shame, classifies me as a non-‘donater’.

 

[Heather LouAnna]

Lets end this. Makes no sense. We will talk again mabye when your sober, Mabye by july or august:tongue:

You ask that I support of your beliefs, but you're not very supportive of mine. I don't really care though.

lol and as far as sober goes..........That's a low blow. I'm as sober as they come.

 

[VeeP]

I suppose you're using the two threads I've made as proof that I'm a hypocrite or something equal to that.

There's no particular reason for the way I'm feeling, other than it's old and it's tired; all this shit.

Silly me. I must have overlooked the hidden exception buried within your "convictions".

 

[Mr. Snakey]

You ask that I support of your beliefs, but you're not very supportive of mine. I don't really care though.

lol and as far as sober goes..........That's a low blow. I'm as sober as they come.

All i didnt like is fuck my holiday. I have been sober for over ten years. You are a nice lady. I respect your beliefs. I was just shocked in that comment,not in what you believe. Mabye you made the comment tounge and cheek. If you did iam sorry.

 

[basque9]

I love Christmas Day and the opportunity it affords for everyone to wish me well and to love me just a teeny bit more than usual.... it doesn't matter whether they believe in my stuff... or I in theirs....Druids, Celts,Hanukah,
Noel.. what matters is that they are happy with themselves and want me to be happy as well! I will Happy Hanukah and Joyeux Noel to each of them and love them for the generosity of their wishes and the beauty of their spirit!

 

[snoozan]

When I was younger, I hated Christmas and thought it was a bullshit holiday and wanted nothing to do with Christianity and the things it represented, plus Jesus wasn't really born in December, etc. I was sad and bitter on most holidays-- they felt so empty.

After meeting my husband, who is Catholic, Christmas became something different to me. It is a tradition that is based in religion, almost all religions, actually. But what really got to me was how happy I made my husband when I put up a pretty Christmas tree the first time, or when we went shopping for our family and got them goofy, offbeat gifts. His happiness is infectious. He loves Christmas.

I cooked dinner tonight for my grandmother and mother, who raised and fed me for years. It felt good to feed them and have them in my home. This was my brother's first Christmas home since going to the middle east. It was nice seeing him play with my son because it made them both happy. My husband told me a million times how much he loves my cooking. As stressed out as it makes me, I do it for him. It makes me feel good. I even made crescent rolls from scratch for him (he wanted the ones in the can), and homemade cranberry sauce for my grandmother (she loves cranberry sauce but has never homemade). The rolls were a ton of work and the cranberry sauce was only slightly better than the stuff in the can, but I'm glad I did both because of who I did them for.

Having a child has only made Christmas better. Last year he feel asleep in front of the tree while my husband and I wrapped gifts. It was precious. This year, we took him to see the Santa in the mall and he cried. We have the funniest photo of him crying and trying to throw himself off Santa's lap. I will cherish that memory forever. Today he's been running around all day playing with his toys. He loves them.

The dog ate a stick of butter, threw it up, and ate it. If it had not been Christmas I wouldn't have had butter out. That made me laugh and the dog was very happy with his butter. He's gotten some table scraps too.

It feels good that I decorated my house. I made Christmas ornaments and have one tree that is filled with them. We have another tree that looks like a trainwreck of lights, ornaments, and garland that my husband made. It is beautiful.

As I type this, they baby is eating turkey and scalloped potatoes. He's throwing pieces of food from his high chair to the dog.

You don't have to be Christian to celebrate Christmas. It's a tradition in most of our cultures. I do for that reason and because I respect my husband's faith. I also don't see it as being any different from any midwinter solstice celebration except the stories and rituals are different.

One thing I like about Christmas is that it is a holiday to celebrate Christ-- and trying at least one day a year to behave like Christ (even if you only thing he's a mythological symbol) makes the world a slightly better place.

I've found the more you concentrate on the gifts you'll receive, the less happy you'll be at Christmas. You'll never get exactly what you want, and if you do, they never live up to your expectations. It's not about the things you buy, it's about the memories, the togetherness, and participating in a tradition that people have done for years upon years. It's about taking a day away from normal and reaching out.

I respect people that don't celebrate for their own reasons. I just ask that they not disrespect me for celebrating a holiday that is important to me.

 

[yongdo]

I guess you'd have us all wearing uniforms too.

When you have them all wearing uniform could you make them sexy pink ones? Tight, made of spandex and of varying cuts and designs?

Another thought could be a flowing sheer white dress kinda uniform where they could frolic about in a slight breeze along the beach with a slow setting sun.

 

[Mr. Snakey]

When I was younger, I hated Christmas and thought it was a bullshit holiday and wanted nothing to do with Christianity and the things it represented, plus Jesus wasn't really born in December, etc. I was sad and bitter on most holidays-- they felt so empty.

After meeting my husband, who is Catholic, Christmas became something different to me. It is a tradition that is based in religion, almost all religions, actually. But what really got to me was how happy I made my husband when I put up a pretty Christmas tree the first time, or when we went shopping for our family and got them goofy, offbeat gifts. His happiness is infectious. He loves Christmas.

I cooked dinner tonight for my grandmother and mother, who raised and fed me for years. It felt good to feed them and have them in my home. This was my brother's first Christmas home since going to the middle east. It was nice seeing him play with my son because it made them both happy. My husband told me a million times how much he loves my cooking. As stressed out as it makes me, I do it for him. It makes me feel good. I even made crescent rolls from scratch for him (he wanted the ones in the can), and homemade cranberry sauce for my grandmother (she loves cranberry sauce but has never homemade). The rolls were a ton of work and the cranberry sauce was only slightly better than the stuff in the can, but I'm glad I did both because of who I did them for.

Having a child has only made Christmas better. Last year he feel asleep in front of the tree while my husband and I wrapped gifts. It was precious. This year, we took him to see the Santa in the mall and he cried. We have the funniest photo of him crying and trying to throw himself off Santa's lap. I will cherish that memory forever. Today he's been running around all day playing with his toys. He loves them.

The dog ate a stick of butter, threw it up, and ate it. If it had not been Christmas I wouldn't have had butter out. That made me laugh and the dog was very happy with his butter. He's gotten some table scraps too.

It feels good that I decorated my house. I made Christmas ornaments and have one tree that is filled with them. We have another tree that looks like a trainwreck of lights, ornaments, and garland that my husband made. It is beautiful.

As I type this, they baby is eating turkey and scalloped potatoes. He's throwing pieces of food from his high chair to the dog.

You don't have to be Christian to celebrate Christmas. It's a tradition in most of our cultures. I do for that reason and because I respect my husband's faith. I also don't see it as being any different from any midwinter solstice celebration except the stories and rituals are different.

One thing I like about Christmas is that it is a holiday to celebrate Christ-- and trying at least one day a year to behave like Christ (even if you only thing he's a mythological symbol) makes the world a slightly better place.

I've found the more you concentrate on the gifts you'll receive, the less happy you'll be at Christmas. You'll never get exactly what you want, and if you do, they never live up to your expectations. It's not about the things you buy, it's about the memories, the togetherness, and participating in a tradition that people have done for years upon years. It's about taking a day away from normal and reaching out.

I respect people that don't celebrate for their own reasons. I just ask that they not disrespect me for celebrating a holiday that is important to me.

That was my point. I took offence to the fuck your holiday remark by the poster of this thread. Sounds like you have a great husband Snoozan. Well you should you seem like a great lady:wink: :smile: Merry Christmas:smile:

 

[snoozan]

That was my point. I took offence to the fuck your holiday remark by the poster of this thread. Sounds like you have a great husband Snoozan. Well you should you seem like a great lady:wink: :smile: Merry Christmas:smile:

I think it's sad that some people feel so sad on the holidays that they have to lash out. You don't have to believe in Christmas or celebrate it to respect those that choose to. Especially if you celebrate it with the gift-giving and all that, it's hypocritical.

Thank you, the husband is really wonderful, and he makes cute kids. I'm okay, I guess, I just try to take care of my two boys the best I know how.

 

[Chrysalis]

For many years, I tried to convince myself and every one else that I was a devout Christian. Then I finally realized I wasn't, and never had been.

During the time my mother was mostly well (up to when I was about 10 years old), our family set aside our normal behavior and for just a little while we were really a family.

Ever since my mother died, I have missed that (after she got too sick, my father unfortunately didn't quite carry on the tradition the same way).

I tried for years with my stepmom, and then I tried in college, and then I tried as a married adult...but I've never been able to re-create or bring back those first ten Christmases.

This was the first year that I knew better than to try. What's gone is gone. But what is still here is a feeling in my heart that Christmas is not about religion, no matter how much people try to cram it into that mold. It's about family, it's about traditions, it's about excitement, and finding something to do in the middle of the cold, dreary winter.

Even without religion, Christmas can still be extremely special. It was a pagan holiday, turned into a religious holiday, and now turning back into a pagan holiday. Whatever it is, it's a holiday and has been for a long, long time.

 

[Love-it]

We don't do christmas, we are not religious and there are many people that I might say "happy holidays" to, but there are a few christians out there that I will say "merry christmas" to because they get a kick out of the heathen recognizing them and their holiday.

 

[BigA]

at least give Cratchit some coal to make a fire with

 

[D_alex8]

the heathen

Is that Heather's new nickname?

 

[Mr. Snakey]

Is that Heather's new nickname?

Nothing wrong with being a heathen if thats what you want to be.. I question why someone would want to offend or hurt people. Do they have any heart at all.?

 

[basque9]

When I was younger, I hated Christmas and thought it was a bullshit holiday and wanted nothing to do with Christianity and the things it represented, plus Jesus wasn't really born in December, etc. I was sad and bitter on most holidays-- they felt so empty.

After meeting my husband, who is Catholic, Christmas became something different to me. It is a tradition that is based in religion, almost all religions, actually. But what really got to me was how happy I made my husband when I put up a pretty Christmas tree the first time, or when we went shopping for our family and got them goofy, offbeat gifts. His happiness is infectious. He loves Christmas.

I cooked dinner tonight for my grandmother and mother, who raised and fed me for years. It felt good to feed them and have them in my home. This was my brother's first Christmas home since going to the middle east. It was nice seeing him play with my son because it made them both happy. My husband told me a million times how much he loves my cooking. As stressed out as it makes me, I do it for him. It makes me feel good. I even made crescent rolls from scratch for him (he wanted the ones in the can), and homemade cranberry sauce for my grandmother (she loves cranberry sauce but has never homemade). The rolls were a ton of work and the cranberry sauce was only slightly better than the stuff in the can, but I'm glad I did both because of who I did them for.

Having a child has only made Christmas better. Last year he feel asleep in front of the tree while my husband and I wrapped gifts. It was precious. This year, we took him to see the Santa in the mall and he cried. We have the funniest photo of him crying and trying to throw himself off Santa's lap. I will cherish that memory forever. Today he's been running around all day playing with his toys. He loves them.

The dog ate a stick of butter, threw it up, and ate it. If it had not been Christmas I wouldn't have had butter out. That made me laugh and the dog was very happy with his butter. He's gotten some table scraps too.

It feels good that I decorated my house. I made Christmas ornaments and have one tree that is filled with them. We have another tree that looks like a trainwreck of lights, ornaments, and garland that my husband made. It is beautiful.

As I type this, they baby is eating turkey and scalloped potatoes. He's throwing pieces of food from his high chair to the dog.

You don't have to be Christian to celebrate Christmas. It's a tradition in most of our cultures. I do for that reason and because I respect my husband's faith. I also don't see it as being any different from any midwinter solstice celebration except the stories and rituals are different.

One thing I like about Christmas is that it is a holiday to celebrate Christ-- and trying at least one day a year to behave like Christ (even if you only thing he's a mythological symbol) makes the world a slightly better place.

I've found the more you concentrate on the gifts you'll receive, the less happy you'll be at Christmas. You'll never get exactly what you want, and if you do, they never live up to your expectations. It's not about the things you buy, it's about the memories, the togetherness, and participating in a tradition that people have done for years upon years. It's about taking a day away from normal and reaching out.

I respect people that don't celebrate for their own reasons. I just ask that they not disrespect me for celebrating a holiday that is important to me.

So many beautiful thoughts contained in just a few short paragraphs snoozan! I hope your every Christmas will contain that much love!:smile:

 

[JustAsking]

Even without religion, Christmas can still be extremely special. It was a pagan holiday, turned into a religious holiday, and now turning back into a pagan holiday. Whatever it is, it's a holiday and has been for a long, long time.

I think you and snoozan got it right. It is a very nice holiday whose cultural component has come to far outweigh its religious component. I used to be really down on Christmas for this reason. But as I considered that the date and customs were chosen arbitrarily, I relaxed that concern and now celebrate it as a cultural holiday. Christmas is all about having the house a bit too full of family and a few too many dogs running around, lots of food and chaos.

As a Christian, I recommend Christians cut the holiday loose and let the world celebrate it as kind of a "secular humanist holiday", where we all celebrate the best in each other and call for world peace. Then Christians could quietly celebrate the birth of Jesus on some other date in their own way like they do with Easter.

If that were to happen, it would defuse the tension that happens between the cultural forces that want to celebrate Christmas, and the Christians who want it to remain a religious holiday.

Although I don't like being told to "fuck my holiday", I sympathize with Heather's position on having the religious component be so strongly imposed on all the non-Christians who celebrate the holiday. I am glad she found a way to make the holiday work for her.

 

[mephistopheles]

I wont even go down the nasty road Heather went down. I will simply say she needs help. I hope she gets it. I wish her well and will keep her in my prayers and thoughts.

You suck.

Pagans don't suck.

 

[vinny_spiruccino]

You suck.

Pagans don't suck.

I'm not a non posting gallery surfer, and I'm not PM'ng you.

But I think I WILL take the opportunity to say that you have a great big dick. That is all; resume the discussion at hand.

 

[dreamer20]

Even without religion, Christmas can still be extremely special. It was a pagan holiday,turned into a religious holiday, and now turning back into a pagan holiday. Whatever it is, it's a holiday and has been for a long, long time.

Whoa Chrysalis! The pagan's winter festival was a religious observance which honored the Roman god Saturn. The Christians hijacked this custom, which existed long before Christ's birth, and mixed Christ into it, as they have done with Easter too.